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[Some Dude]

Hey Grif, hold these bullets for me (shoots) IN YOUR GUT!

[Sand King]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Sand King wrote...

The laser sight sight reminded me of RE4 and also felt out of place.

Actually that's what helped me be so effective with it. It reminded me of RE4. I can snipe with the Phalanx. It's awesome. On that section of Kasumi's mission on Bekenstein where Hock's heavy weapon mercs are all the way across the room and you can barely see them...I can get head shots with the Phalanx.

The RE4 style is fun but it just doesn't fit in with the pace of ME's fights.

[lazuli]

Oh, look.  It's back.  It's another thread attacking Jacob.

But to get back to the current weapon discussion, I'm not a fan of the GPS either.  I like it on squadmates, but I can't stand out of cover long enough to charge it up with Shepard.  I'll give it another go, but when it comes to shotguns, nothing beats the Scimitar for me.

[MrCasperTom]

Howdy guys.



I'll start by saying that I'm not the biggest fan of Jacob but I didn't come here to done any hating, I actually came for some advice on what is obviously one of your guys favoured characters.



I'm in the process of writing a fanfic from the perpective of my Shep, to add life to ME2 apart from shooting crap (mainly the in between bits), add a personality to my shep and maybe get a bit of exposure on Femshep.



Now Jacob's character has always kind of intrigued me. I know there's the big moaning about his character being crap and, in my opinion, it's not the most intresting of them but I've always wondered if that was the point of his character. In effect he was made to look up to his father as a model example of how to grow. Sure his father made mistakes, even Jacob acknowledges that, but his father was still a model and then his father left him, leaving Jacob to go on. In a way it seems to me to be similar to the effect Shepard's loss had her his/her squad members; they seemed lost and struggled to cope with it, each going their own way and their personalities were affected by it (Liara became a tad obsessive once Shepard's body was recovered, Ash/Kaidan focused on the Alliance and then 'turned' on Shep once he/she came back and Garrus worked to follow in Shep's footsteps,or at least Shepard's actions. Tali seems the only 'normal' one and that's most likely because of the fleet). If your father leaves without saying goodbye, not matter what age, you're always going to feel a bit abandoned and close off.



Anywho I digress. The idea of Jacob and fitting in with the fanfic is three fold; He's my most favourite character, he has a core personality that can be rationalised rather easily is you actually pay attention and there's a lot of 'hate' for him. The first two present a somewhat challenge to me as a writer which is always the way to improve. The third is something I hope to at least steer people away from, even if it's only one or two. I don't think any of the characters are crap or badly written, just that Jacob's not as 'cool' and 'awesomestbadassofthegroup' as some of the others.



My point of coming here? If there anything that you'd like to see expanded on Jacob or explored? Anything about his character you'd like to be brought to light? It's fanfic, but it's based on an existing universe so I want to keep it in line. Best place to start.



Cheers.

[Commissar Gash]

MrCasperTom wrote...

Howdy guys.

I'll start by saying that I'm not the biggest fan of Jacob but I didn't come here to done any hating, I actually came for some advice on what is obviously one of your guys favoured characters.

I'm in the process of writing a fanfic from the perpective of my Shep, to add life to ME2 apart from shooting crap (mainly the in between bits), add a personality to my shep and maybe get a bit of exposure on Femshep.

Now Jacob's character has always kind of intrigued me. I know there's the big moaning about his character being crap and, in my opinion, it's not the most intresting of them but I've always wondered if that was the point of his character. In effect he was made to look up to his father as a model example of how to grow. Sure his father made mistakes, even Jacob acknowledges that, but his father was still a model and then his father left him, leaving Jacob to go on. In a way it seems to me to be similar to the effect Shepard's loss had her his/her squad members; they seemed lost and struggled to cope with it, each going their own way and their personalities were affected by it (Liara became a tad obsessive once Shepard's body was recovered, Ash/Kaidan focused on the Alliance and then 'turned' on Shep once he/she came back and Garrus worked to follow in Shep's footsteps,or at least Shepard's actions. Tali seems the only 'normal' one and that's most likely because of the fleet). If your father leaves without saying goodbye, not matter what age, you're always going to feel a bit abandoned and close off.

Anywho I digress. The idea of Jacob and fitting in with the fanfic is three fold; He's my most favourite character, he has a core personality that can be rationalised rather easily is you actually pay attention and there's a lot of 'hate' for him. The first two present a somewhat challenge to me as a writer which is always the way to improve. The third is something I hope to at least steer people away from, even if it's only one or two. I don't think any of the characters are crap or badly written, just that Jacob's not as 'cool' and 'awesomestbadassofthegroup' as some of the others.

My point of coming here? If there anything that you'd like to see expanded on Jacob or explored? Anything about his character you'd like to be brought to light? It's fanfic, but it's based on an existing universe so I want to keep it in line. Best place to start.

Cheers.

We discussed his time with the Corsairs alot, or actually why Bioware didn't said anything about it. You could use that, maybe Jacob talking about some black-ops missions he did there, or Jacob encountering a member of his old squad, maybe he did something he isn't proud of then and he's confronted with it? Bascially, just something about his time with the Corsairs.

I read somehwhere in ME2 that Jacob is meant as the guy with a stable personality to keep the crew sane (or something like that), but I forgot where it was...

[MrCasperTom]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...
We discussed his time with the Corsairs alot, or actually why Bioware didn't said anything about it. You could use that, maybe Jacob talking about some black-ops missions he did there, or Jacob encountering a member of his old squad, maybe he did something he isn't proud of then and he's confronted with it? Bascially, just something about his time with the Corsairs.

I read somehwhere in ME2 that Jacob is meant as the guy with a stable personality to keep the crew sane (or something like that), but I forgot where it was...

It's mentioned in a few places to be honest. The most recent in the Jacob's dossier in LotSB.

I was thinking of using this as well. The early 'theme' is based on the idea of inner-conflict within my Shep. Now I play a Femshep and I absolutely hate the flirting between her and Jacob to be quite honest. It might be an intresting way of enhancing Jacob's character by using him as someone to lean on, especially as, in my opinion, Shep and Jacob share similarities in their background.

Actually hadn't thought of that before.

Modifié par MrCasperTom, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Darc_Requiem]

MrCasperTom wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...
We discussed his time with the Corsairs alot, or actually why Bioware didn't said anything about it. You could use that, maybe Jacob talking about some black-ops missions he did there, or Jacob encountering a member of his old squad, maybe he did something he isn't proud of then and he's confronted with it? Bascially, just something about his time with the Corsairs.

I read somehwhere in ME2 that Jacob is meant as the guy with a stable personality to keep the crew sane (or something like that), but I forgot where it was...

It's mentioned in a few places to be honest. The most recent in the Jacob's dossier in LotSB.

I was thinking of using this as well. The early 'theme' is based on the idea of inner-conflict within my Shep. Now I play a Femshep and I absolutely hate the flirting between her and Jacob to be quite honest. It might be an intresting way of enhancing Jacob's character by using him as someone to lean on, especially as, in my opinion, Shep and Jacob share similarities in their background.

Actually hadn't thought of that before.

That's the sad thing about the Jacob/Shepard Romance. The beginning (Shepard's dialogue) and the end (Jacob's dialogue) distract people from the fact that Jacob is the only one on the crew that Shepard can lean on. In the middle of the romance, Jacob actually asks how Shepard is doing and gives her a chance to vent. Up until LotSB's conversation with Liara, no other character did that. They do have similar backgrounds, both saved the Council, and both don't seem get enough respect from the Council for it.

[Commissar Gash]

MrCasperTom wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...
We discussed his time with the Corsairs alot, or actually why Bioware didn't said anything about it. You could use that, maybe Jacob talking about some black-ops missions he did there, or Jacob encountering a member of his old squad, maybe he did something he isn't proud of then and he's confronted with it? Bascially, just something about his time with the Corsairs.

I read somehwhere in ME2 that Jacob is meant as the guy with a stable personality to keep the crew sane (or something like that), but I forgot where it was...

It's mentioned in a few places to be honest. The most recent in the Jacob's dossier in LotSB.

I was thinking of using this as well. The early 'theme' is based on the idea of inner-conflict within my Shep. Now I play a Femshep and I absolutely hate the flirting between her and Jacob to be quite honest. It might be an intresting way of enhancing Jacob's character by using him as someone to lean on, especially as, in my opinion, Shep and Jacob share similarities in their background.

Actually hadn't thought of that before.

Yes that was it! *lols at Jacob's video*

Yeah, it should work, Jacob, unlike the rest of the squad, doesn't come to whine to you about his problems he's also the most normal guy from the entire squad, he is a good friend and you can be sure that he will never betray you.
Actually if Bioware just fixed the dialogue in his romance (damnit FemShep, I know you didn't had sex in two years, but do you have to be so perverted? Even MaleShep isn't like this and he's a dude!) then it would've been one of the best romances.
But since I mainly play as MaleShep I get a quite good Bromance.

[Commissar Gash]

Darc_Requiem wrote...
That's the sad thing about the Jacob/Shepard Romance. The beginning (Shepard's dialogue) and the end (Jacob's dialogue) distract people from the fact that Jacob is the only one on the crew that Shepard can lean on. In the middle of the romance, Jacob actually asks how Shepard is doing and gives her a chance to vent. Up until LotSB's conversation with Liara, no other character did that. They do have similar backgrounds, both saved the Council, and both don't seem get enough respect from the Council for it.

Indeed, he is really the only one that doesn't whine about his problems, he asks Shepard how she's doing, he even says "I love you", I can't remember any other ME2 LI saying that...
Well, my Shepard and Jacob have a little different background since the Council got blown sky high, but they both hate politics, the biggest difference between my Shep and JT is that my Shep is a perfect material for a Cerberus Operative while Jacob is just a guy who doesn't really have a place to go, the Alliance is fillied with politics, Cerberus is evil, but atleast they don't give a frak about politics, that's basically why JT joined Cerberus.

[Darc_Requiem]

Yeah Gash he is the only love interest that says he loves Shepard. I could understand the Garrus fandom, he's from the original game after all. Thane though, he talks incessantly about his dead wife. What woman wants to hear that?

[Festi]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Yeah Gash he is the only love interest that says he loves Shepard. I could understand the Garrus fandom, he's from the original game after all. Thane though, he talks incessantly about his dead wife. What woman wants to hear that?

Don't forget that Garrus wants to play ultimate twister with you
But I can see the Thane appeal... I have a few theories...he's a dark brooding assasin; he's spiritual, sincere, and becomes quite open with femshep; and he has big dark eyes... I must digress though, what really turns me off of his romance is his constant talking about his dead wife... and the poor timing of Femsheps lines... I feel like it's somewhat inapropriate to come on to him.... 


I'd like to see an expansion though... on the friendship between Jacob and Shepard.  A disscusion of his Corsair days would be welcomed but I would really like to see some conversation over his joining Cerberous and how he feels about it.  Maybe some of the things he's done for Cerberous and maybe a source of conflict between him and Shepard depending on how the particular Shepard feels about Cerberus.  That could make for an interesting sub-plot and it would be cool to see how they would be able to resolve the conflict and remain good friends. because I honestly feel like Shepard needs the kind of friend Jacob is.

[Sand King]

Thanes romance felt inappropriate and awkward and I agree with Darc Jacob's romance gets a bad rap because of one bad line of dialog.

[Festi]

Sand King wrote...

Thanes romance felt inappropriate and awkward and I agree with Darc Jacob's romance gets a bad rap because of one bad line of dialog.

I felt the same way with Jack.  She seemed way to hurt to jump into bed with honestly.  I feel like she needed a friend... and a healthy relationship... not sex.  I guess though, Miranda gets a little flack for her romance, though definitly not as much as Jacob does.  But since she is supposed to be the Female human option.... and the engine room?  I can't remember what the point was so... hurray for super jacob!

[Darc_Requiem]

I don't know. I thought the Jack romance was handled well. You turn her down when offers to sleep with you. You talk to her about problems and no matter how much she pushes you away you let her know that you'll be there for her. After all that she comes to Shepard's quarters on her own looking for something real, instead of just carnal sex.

[Sand King]

Festi wrote...

Sand King wrote...

Thanes romance felt inappropriate and awkward and I agree with Darc Jacob's romance gets a bad rap because of one bad line of dialog.

I felt the same way with Jack.  She seemed way to hurt to jump into bed with honestly.  I feel like she needed a friend... and a healthy relationship... not sex.  I guess though, Miranda gets a little flack for her romance, though definitly not as much as Jacob does.  But since she is supposed to be the Female human option.... and the engine room?  I can't remember what the point was so... hurray for super jacob!

Yeah, I liked Jack's romance but it did feel like she need a friend at that moment and not sex. Also I still don't know why they chose the engine room for Miranda.

[Festi]

I don't mean I didn't like Jack's romance. It was my favorite MShep romance but I think that it doesn't need to be concluded with them sleeping together. I like to think that Shepard doesn't... that maybe they just talk and cuddle or something. Jack is surprisingly well adjusted for what she has been through but I think she has some things to work out and needs to build a stable and healthy relationship before she goes sleeping with some one.



Speaking of stable... I wonder how she would do with JT

[MrCasperTom]

My impression of the Jack romance was that they didn't actually have sex, even if you go the Paragon route. Especially as after the SM, she mentions something about where the relationship is going, because it's so new to her. At least that's what I go from it.



The main problem I had with the Jacob romance wasn't Jacob, it was the writing with Femshep. Heck I think the reaction of Jacob at the start was pretty much the reaction I had I.E. WTF??. It's just the way your Femshep turns and speaks that ruins it for me.



I liked how, non-romance, JT still wanted to spill drinks on the Citadel. Kiara will drink his ass under the table.

[Darc_Requiem]

Yeah Femshep comes off a Black Widow stalking it's prey when you she talks to Jacob.

[Sand King]

Jennifer Hale went in to full stalker mode during the first conversation with Jacob.

[PrinceLionheart]

Since I always play a male Shep, I never had to deal with "But teh priiiize" line. Out of my ME2 crew though, I did consider Jacob my "bro" moreso that Garrus since he talks to a Male Shep even less than Jacob.



It seemed though that the writers loss sight of what they wanted to do with Jacob's character after the Horizon mission. It felt like they were initially setting him up to be like Garrus was in ME1 (him and Shep having a Mentor/Mentee relationship.)

[Alexine]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

Yeah Gash he is the only love interest that says he loves Shepard. I could understand the Garrus fandom, he's from the original game after all. Thane though, he talks incessantly about his dead wife. What woman wants to hear that?

I think the reason why BW made Thane having a dead wife because they want to play upon that idea that women have this idea to heal a broken man (this can be applied to Garrus as well), which worked well with Carth from KOTOR (recalling that most guys hated this poor guy's guts) I think that in comparison to Jacob's romance, there is none of that "healing a broken man" thing. I suppose if the romance was paced and directed differently (along with removing heated FemShep voice), it would've been easier to interpret for others, but in this world of the wide world web, people jump to conclusions pretty quickly (like that Miranda requires a better man line, etc.)

As for the Jack romance, if the Paragon route of that romance didn't imply that ManShep and Jack were having sex, then it would've been better.

[Sand King]

Two Questions

Was I the only one how laughed during Jack's 'renegade' romance?

and

Why is Jacob's romance the only one that that falls victim to 'judging a book by it cover' and over analyzing (ex. requires a better man)?

[Some Dude]

Q1. No, her face said it all



Q2. Not sure

[Dave of Canada]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

I don't know. I thought the Jack romance was handled well. You turn her down when offers to sleep with you. You talk to her about problems and no matter how much she pushes you away you let her know that you'll be there for her. After all that she comes to Shepard's quarters on her own looking for something real, instead of just carnal sex.

But there's no way to go "Hey, Jack. I want to be your friend." - any dialogue that doesn't straight out say to Jack "HEY FUX U LAWL" leads to a romance.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 septembre 2010 - 04:32 .

[Sand King]

@Some Dude : I don't no why, I just laughed when I did it. It just seemed so stupid to me.

A little random but Jacob is the only character to never have something very traumatic happen to him (I think).