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[Festi]

I don't consider him my Femshep's main. I decided to go with Garrus. I think they make a good team and their romance is pretty sweet when you get past the immature jokes... which are only funny to a point... then I just feel like the writers are doing it for the lolz. But I think they make a good couple and their personalities mesh well.

I would go with Jacob probably as my second choice. Aside from Femsheps sleaze and JT's bad lines in the romance scene he's a nice romance, a strong character, and he wants to hear how she feels. He's a little closed off but I imagine that if the writers weren't so stingy with dialog he would open up more. Also I'm hoping they bring back the "Assault riffles tend to have that effect" line...

Thane is... well... kinda at the bottom of my list for ME 2 characters... he'd be higher up but... his romance feels really innapropriate to me... partially because of the dead wife stuff. Not that him being a widower bothers me.. it's that here he is talking to you about it and then you start hitting on him. If that had been handled in a less rushed and more tactful manner he might be my #1 or #2.... but as it is....

I romance Liara in ME 1 and I don't have the Shadow Broker DLC so that's kinda out for me but she would be a tie for first I would suppose.

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Modifié par Festi, 08 octobre 2010 - 01:47 .

[RPGmom28]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Are there any FemShep players here that actually consider Jacob their "main" romance?

Initially I resist saying yes, because I like Garrus and Kaidan both, and I like being faithful to Kaidan, and also really enjoy the idea of longstanding friends Garrus and Shepard falling in love.  But if I'm being honest, Jacob has grown on me so much that I confess I've been romancing him almost exclusively!    I really like his voice and his battle calls, and he's just such a great, trustworthy guy.  My one gripe is that the white default suit he wears makes his hips look pinched.  He looks better in the black uniform.

[Darc_Requiem]

My femsheps only go with Jacob. I have male sheps for every love interest but I'm not a big Thane fan and Garrus has the backbone of an invertebrate. Say what you will about Jacob, but he has backbone. You push him too hard and he'll dump Shepard. The maleshep romances are far better than femsheps romances by far IMO.

[lazuli]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Are there any FemShep players here that actually consider Jacob their "main" romance?

I play both FemShep and ManShep frequently, and I would consider Jacob my "main" FemShep romance.

My problem with the Garrus romance is that it never seems to evolve past "Are we crazy for even thinking about this?"  I love Garrus as a character.  And I love him even more as a combatant (he's a monster on Insanity).  But I couldn't get into his romance.  It could be that he's just so physically different from a human.  I mean, Thane is basically a green guy with big soulful eyes.  Sure, he's got scales.  But scales are less obvious than gigantic, twitching mandibles.

I like Thane well enough.  He's probably my second favorite FemShep romance option.  And Kaidan is fine too.  The problem with Kaidan's romance is that it's in Mass Effect 1.  I can play Mass Effect 2 again and again, but the thought of trudging through ME1 again turns my stomach.  That's not really fair to Kaidan, though.  Maybe he'll get his chance in ME3.

[RPGmom28]

lazuli wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Are there any FemShep players here that actually consider Jacob their "main" romance?

I play both FemShep and ManShep frequently, and I would consider Jacob my "main" FemShep romance.

My problem with the Garrus romance is that it never seems to evolve past "Are we crazy for even thinking about this?"  I love Garrus as a character.  And I love him even more as a combatant (he's a monster on Insanity).  But I couldn't get into his romance.  It could be that he's just so physically different from a human.  I mean, Thane is basically a green guy with big soulful eyes.  Sure, he's got scales.  But scales are less obvious than gigantic, twitching mandibles.

I like Thane well enough.  He's probably my second favorite FemShep romance option.  And Kaidan is fine too.  The problem with Kaidan's romance is that it's in Mass Effect 1.  I can play Mass Effect 2 again and again, but the thought of trudging through ME1 again turns my stomach.  That's not really fair to Kaidan, though.  Maybe he'll get his chance in ME3.

A few things, I know what you mean with Garrus.  He's easy to like for many reasons, but turian hips are gross.  Jacob has a man's body, and well, I like men.  So there it is.  

Also, reading what you've said about Kaidan, there's truth to that.  Very good romance in ME1.  Totally suckage in ME2.  But I don't blame Kaidan, I blame the devs for shoving Kaidan and Ash out like that to make room for new LIs.  Those two could be written for a comeback (please). 

[lazuli]

RPGmom28 wrote...
Also, reading what you've said about Kaidan, there's truth to that.  Very good romance in ME1.  Totally suckage in ME2.  But I don't blame Kaidan, I blame the devs for shoving Kaidan and Ash out like that to make room for new LIs.  Those two could be written for a comeback (please). 

Kaidan has an undeserved reputation as being a whiner, probably because he's a guy that actually discusses his feelings.  Jacob, on the other hand, is called boring because he doesn't open up about his feelings.

I think it all boils down to culturally enforced masculine competition and the strange psychology at work in video games when players roleplay different genders.  There's a thesis in there somewhere.

[Festi]

I think Jacob is so "closed off" because the writers were to lazy to write more dialog and do the work to work in his back story.

As far as Garrus goes... maybe its mostly in my head but... Turian Batman >. It did bother me that most of the romance was based around making fun of inter-species romance but the end scene is nice and when I think about it they make a good couple. Of course I feel like half the work of enjoying any of the romances is what the player puts into it since we aren't given very much in ME 2.

I also feel like Femshep got a little ripped off... The scales and mandibles don't bother me but I feel like the writers didn't know what they were doing.... especially when it came to Jacob's romance scene... I'm glad they brought Liara back... I just need to get that DLC Hopefully they'll bring the VI back in a future dlc so that Kaiden/Ashely can get some love ;-;

Modifié par Festi, 08 octobre 2010 - 04:54 .

[Alexine]

My favourite romance is Garrus for FemShep. I found the jokes about the inter-species relationship endearing and cute. I think it's realistic, because I dig guys who are a little bit awkward and cute. XD And I don't mind the scars nor the mandibles. Actually, if I was judging the three FemShep romances by looks alone, I probably won't go for either of them. Thane just looks like a lizard, Garrus is one ugly alien (truth be told) and there's something wrong with Jacob's nose that puts me off. But I like Garrus' romance the best in what's untold.

As for Jacob, I would've liked it more if there was flow. I mean, the romance is very chastise (FemShep gives Jacob a peck on the cheek) and then the romance scene is shirtless abs time! (Exception of FemShep sounding like she likes getting dirty with a rocket launcher) Miranda was similar, but at least if you go renegade you can make-out with her, which sorts of legitimise her romance scene a little.

Jacob... Just ruined it when they jumped the gun in his romance... as well as Hale sounding too heated. At least his bromance is good.

Modifié par Alexine, 08 octobre 2010 - 04:03 .

[Sand King]

Garrus is first, Jacob is second, then it's Liara and Kelly.

[Sand King]

Alexine wrote...
Jacob... Just ruined it when they jumped the gun in his romance... as well as Hale sounding too heated. At least his bromance is good.

That doesn't bother me because I turn the sound off, subtitles on and crank up the music.

[DirtyVagrant]

I haven't played a FemShep but I'm seriously considering it, mostly because I'd like to hear the different dialogue with the "romance" characters, especially Jacob. I've heard that it can be terrible, on FemShep's side so that'd be interesting to see and hear for myself, see what all the fuss and objections are about.

Festi wrote...
I think Jacob is so "closed off" because the writers were to lazy to write more dialog and do the work to work in his back story.

Arguably Jacob has the most dialogue in comparison to the other female LIs. He's the first squadmate and he's the one who welcomes each new additional one there on in.

I think that the writers are trying to avoid turning the human male squaddies into Carth. I never had a problem with the character but his "whiney" attitude is infamously despised and with Jacob, him not opening up about issues and problems appears like an attempt to avoid this association. The same can be said with Kaidan too, I feel. Sure, he has migraines from his amp and the like, but he doesn't **** about it. And due to that, it might make them feel pretty... plain, you know? If they talk about their problems, they're whiney; if they don't, they're boring. It's tough unless you suddenly turn both in Zaeed but not every human male can be a "badass" merc.

Kaidan/Ashley certainly could use some DLC love like LotSB. I'd love to see Kaidan decked out in tech armor and soldifying him as a "bro".

Jacob could use similar treatment come ME3.

[Festi]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

I haven't played a FemShep but I'm seriously considering it, mostly because I'd like to hear the different dialogue with the "romance" characters, especially Jacob. I've heard that it can be terrible, on FemShep's side so that'd be interesting to see and hear for myself, see what all the fuss and objections are about.

Festi wrote...
I think Jacob is so "closed off" because the writers were to lazy to write more dialog and do the work to work in his back story.

Arguably Jacob has the most dialogue in comparison to the other female LIs. He's the first squadmate and he's the one who welcomes each new additional one there on in.

I think that the writers are trying to avoid turning the human male squaddies into Carth. I never had a problem with the character but his "whiney" attitude is infamously despised and with Jacob, him not opening up about issues and problems appears like an attempt to avoid this association. The same can be said with Kaidan too, I feel. Sure, he has migraines from his amp and the like, but he doesn't **** about it. And due to that, it might make them feel pretty... plain, you know? If they talk about their problems, they're whiney; if they don't, they're boring. It's tough unless you suddenly turn both in Zaeed but not every human male can be a "badass" merc.

Kaidan/Ashley certainly could use some DLC love like LotSB. I'd love to see Kaidan decked out in tech armor and soldifying him as a "bro".

Jacob could use similar treatment come ME3.

I consider Jacob's "greeting" lines as purly functional.  IMO Kelly should have been the one doing that, Jacob isn't my Secretary and it doesn't seem like it should be his duty as Armory Cheif to be the welcome wagon...  It's Kelly's job to know about these people may as well have her welcome them.  Besides Jacob playing that role gets him more hate than anything with people nit picking his lines.  I want more substantial dialog that developes him more deeply rather than purely functional dialog that shows us what we already know about him. 

I never played KOTOR I so I don't know much about Carth.  I've seen a few vids... not my cup of tea but not terrible IMO.  But Kaiden didn't bother me that much either (until he stabbed me in the back....), I just like Liara better...  I'm even starting to be ok with crazy Liara...

We could just solve all these problems by making Zaeed romance-able....

Alexine wrote...

My favourite romance is Garrus for
FemShep. I found the jokes about the inter-species relationship
endearing and cute. I think it's realistic, because I dig guys who are a
little bit awkward and cute. XD And I don't mind the scars nor the
mandibles. Actually, if I was judging the three FemShep romances by
looks alone, I probably won't go for either of them. Thane just looks
like a lizard, Garrus is one ugly alien (truth be told) and there's
something wrong with Jacob's nose that puts me off. But I like Garrus'
romance the best in what's untold.

I agree.  Garrus's romance is appealing because even though on the surface it is light hearted there seems to be more unspoken i their bond.... but that's left up to us to decide I guess.  I miss Garrus's armor from ME 1 though, I liked it better.

Jacob's waist gets me... and the bad animation with his mouth... and I'm pretty sure he goes through the whole game in his PJ's... Shepard needs to spring for some armor for the crew.... I say either get Jacob some armor or let him go through the game shirtless... he'll just kill the collectors with his abs....

[DirtyVagrant]

Festi wrote...
I consider Jacob's "greeting" lines as purly functional.  IMO Kelly should have been the one doing that, Jacob isn't my Secretary and it doesn't seem like it should be his duty as Armory Cheif to be the welcome wagon...  It's Kelly's job to know about these people may as well have her welcome them.  Besides Jacob playing that role gets him more hate than anything with people nit picking his lines.  I want more substantial dialog that developes him more deeply rather than purely functional dialog that shows us what we already know about him.

I suppose that's true about him adopting secretorial duties for some reason or another. And yeah, his lines do get scrutinized a fair bit; like his comment to Tali about EDI? It might of been an intentional low-blow or it... simply slipped his mind. I think his no nonsense attitude can get to people too.

Its easy to say you want more substantial, deeper dialog but I find it hard myself to come up with something that fits the bill. Can you think of anything that he could say that would make him more favorable with fans?

Festi wrote...
I never played KOTOR I so I don't know much about Carth.  I've seen a few vids... not my cup of tea but not terrible IMO.

And a shame! You missed a wonderful game, I think you'd see some parallels between ME1 and KOTOR1.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 08 octobre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Festi]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

Festi wrote...
I consider Jacob's "greeting" lines as purly functional.  IMO Kelly should have been the one doing that, Jacob isn't my Secretary and it doesn't seem like it should be his duty as Armory Cheif to be the welcome wagon...  It's Kelly's job to know about these people may as well have her welcome them.  Besides Jacob playing that role gets him more hate than anything with people nit picking his lines.  I want more substantial dialog that developes him more deeply rather than purely functional dialog that shows us what we already know about him.

I suppose that's true about him adopting secretorial duties for some reason or another. And yeah, his lines do get scrutinized a fair bit; like his comment to Tali about EDI? It might of been an intentional low-blow or it... simply slipped his mind. I think his no nonsense attitude can get to people too.

Its easy to say you want more substantial, deeper dialog but I find it hard myself to come up with something that fits the bill. Can you think of anything that he could say that would make him more favorable with fans?

Festi wrote...
I never played KOTOR I so I don't know much about Carth.  I've seen a few vids... not my cup of tea but not terrible IMO.

And a shame! You missed a wonderful game, I think you'd see some parallels between ME1 and KOTOR1.

Personally, I would have Jacob talk about his Corsair days.... I love space pirates... but seriously if he talked about the events of Galaxy a bit it might be nice.  I never played that game but it seems like he went through a personality shift... from badass (i.e. Try it old man.) to... I don't want to talk about it....  The thing is that that aspect of him comes off as overbearing on the other aspects he does talk about.  Maybe he could talk more about how he feels about cerberous.  Miranda gets that discussion where you can either argue with her or agree.  From Jacob you would get a different perspective. 

I'd like to play KOTOR I, it looks like a good game.  I did play KOTOR II though and at first I was like... hey this guy is Han Solo... then I was like... this game reminds me odly of some other sequal I've played recently >.> except there is more dialog... and my crewmates acknowledge eachother's existance... hmmmm

[Ski Mask Wei]

Jacob is basically third in command after Miranda. That's why he's giving the new crew members the lay of the land. Miranda probably should be doing it (like she does for Jack) but she has reports to file and Jacob takes up the slack. Kelly's probably not a higher ranking Cerberus officer than Jacob and it makes more sense for someone like Miranda or Jacob to show Cerberus' official presence to the new crew.

[Mox Ruuga]

lazuli wrote...

Kaidan has an undeserved reputation as being a whiner, probably because he's a guy that actually discusses his feelings.  Jacob, on the other hand, is called boring because he doesn't open up about his feelings.

I think it all boils down to culturally enforced masculine competition and the strange psychology at work in video games when players roleplay different genders.  There's a thesis in there somewhere.

The hilarious bit about the whole "Kaidan is a whiner" meme is, that many of the ones making that spurious claim like Garrus just fine, or are out right fans or fangirls.

The ironic bit is, that Garrus is the biggest whiner of all among squaddies, at least in ME1. Nearly every dialogue you have with him in the first game leads to him whining or complaining about something, whether its his job, his boss, the council, Saren, his father, his fears about Saren getting away, or even about stealing the Normandy! The fricking Cowboy Cop whines about stealing the Normandy when even Tali, for whom its a big cultural no-no tells Shep that its "very exciting!"

/tangent.

I like Jacob okay, not a favorite, but not an unfavorite either. It's too bad that FemShep's dialogue and voice acting turned out the way the are. I think people would have ignored the "Priiiize" thing more easily and Jacob wouldn't have been reduced to a meme and joke in the minds of many players... There are other issues in Jacob's writing, but no character is perfect. The FemShep romance cheeze is the thing that "killed" him (perhaps undeservedly) for many.

[Alexine]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

The ironic bit is, that Garrus is the biggest whiner of all among squaddies, at least in ME1. Nearly every dialogue you have with him in the first game leads to him whining or complaining about something, whether its his job, his boss, the council, Saren, his father, his fears about Saren getting away, or even about stealing the Normandy! The fricking Cowboy Cop whines about stealing the Normandy when even Tali, for whom its a big cultural no-no tells Shep that its "very exciting!"

/tangent.

Haha, that's true. I didn't like Garrus until ME2, since he was a bit naive and immature.

And I can understand why males would find Carth annoying, because he spends half the game taking the ****** if you want to probe him. He does get better at the end (especially if you romance Carth as a Female PC) but for a game as long as KOTOR, it peeved people when Carth kept distrusting you for half of the game. And from my record, most gamers have short attention spans, so they judge by first impressions.

As for Kaidan, I noticed the people who don't like Kaidan is because he sounds exactly like Carth. When people hate Carth, they hate Kaidan... all because of the VO actor and his voice. Not because he talks about himself. But I find Kaidan alright, since he's interesting with his point of view and a bit sombre.

As for Jacob, it was BW's answers to "no moar whiny men". Unfortunately, gamers lost interest in Jacob. Short attention spans, again.

[Darc_Requiem]

Garrus was my least favorite character in ME1. If I had a choice of who had to die in the first game it would have been Garrus. I use to wish that it was Garrus, not Nihlus that got shot by Saren. I didn't like Garrus' lack of willpower or backbone. He basically takes whatever Shepard says as gospel right away. The other squaddies seem to at least slowly come around to Shepard's view if you push things. I like Garrus better in ME2 though.



I like Liara much better in ME2 as well. She was second least favorite character in ME1. I swear she tries to jump Shepard's bones no matter what you say to her. Back off stalker girl and don't go digging through my background behind my back.

[RPGmom28]

Festi, go and buy KOTOR right now. It is simply one of the best RPGs ever.



You can get it on D2D for 10 dollars.

[Commissar Gash]

And again I missed everything... <_<

Since I can't add anything to the previous discussion, because everything I can come up with has been said I just start a new one.
Since we has the Romance, now it's time for the Bromance. Is Jacob your MaleShep's Bro?

Mine Bro list:
1. Jacob, I need someone stable to counter my Shep's craziness. I can trust Jacob and I hope he can take some drinks. We have also alot incommon, both screwed over by the incompetent Alliance, we're both working for incompetent Cerberus (if you look closely at the ME universe all organizations are incompetent) and we both hate politcs.
2. Garrus, my right hand, an old friend from my old life. He's a perfect sidekick, we're both Renegades and we both hate politcs and the "Talk first, do nothig" crap.
3. Wrex, "Shepard, my friend!", 'nuff said.

[Sand King]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...
Mine Bro list:
1. Jacob, I need someone stable to counter my Shep's craziness. I can trust Jacob and I hope he can take some drinks. We have also alot incommon, both screwed over by the incompetent Alliance, we're both working for incompetent Cerberus (if you look closely at the ME universe all organizations are incompetent) and we both hate politcs.
2. Garrus, my right hand, an old friend from my old life. He's a perfect sidekick, we're both Renegades and we both hate politcs and the "Talk first, do nothig" crap.
3. Wrex, "Shepard, my friend!", 'nuff said.

My "Bro List" is the same.

[lazuli]

I think I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Jacob's default outfit.  It matches Miranda's default outfit well, giving me the most over-sexualized team setup possible when I bring both of them on a mission.  The loyalty outfit has the yellow and black going for it, but it needs more stripes to capture the full bee look.

[Festi]

Hmmm... having a bro list is hard... I like all the characters a lot...



1. I have to put Garrus first simply because he and Shepard have a history together from ME 1. Other wise I would probably tie him with JT.



2. Jacob. He is stable and always has your back.



3. Wrex... Shepard.... Wrex.... Shepard.... >.<



As for the female characters...



1. Tali. I see her like a sister. She's got your back and she has a strong sense of duty.



2. Liara... hunted down my body .... that's on the verge of obsessive... but she's a strong character over all and the newer developments have helped that.



3. Samara. I'm a paragon so she probably won't have to kill me when this is over... that's cause enough for friendship yeah?

[Darc_Requiem]

Bromance?

1. Wrex: I like the fact that Wrex is his own person. His friendship with Shepard is about mutual respect. He is pure Krogan but his centuries of life have given him a wisdom that few of his people possess.

2. Jacob: Few soldiers can understand where Shepard comes from. Jacob is one of them. On seperate occasions both he and Shepard saved The Council and got the shaft for it. Like Zaeed, Jacob is a top notch solider but unlike Zaeed he's mentally stable enough to be trusted with your life. He combines the soliders training and battle prowess of Ashley with biotic ability and level headedness of Kaidan.

3. Kaidan: I still don't get why people think Kaidan is a whiner or boring. He and Jacob are quite similar. Kaidan is a little more forth coming about his past than Jacob. Kaidan draws upon his experience at BAaT. Personally knowing what losing control cause, Kaidan provides solid and logical assessments of situations. He's also an exceptional biotic.

As for Festi's nice addition to the topic.

1. Samara: If I'm going into battle there is no female character in the game that I'd take over Samara. She has battle experience that rivals Wrex's and her a biotics are without equal. Her sense of justice can be problematic but, the way I play Shepard, I'd be in the clear.

2. Ashley: Grating to some, I like her overbearing nature...for the most part. While she lacks biotics, there is not lady in the ME universe that is her equal in a pure fire fight. When you join a military that hates you, sign up for the infantry, and top notch scores and evaluations. You are damned good.

3. Liara: Amazing what one bit of top notch DLC can do you for you impersonation of a character. If you told me that Liara would be come one of my favs after ME1, I would have laughed in your face. The Liara of ME2 is her own woman. No longer the naive researcher that clung to Shepard like a cheap suit. Liara is resourceful, intelligent, and a powerful warrior.

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 09 octobre 2010 - 12:17 .

[Alexine]

Bromance:

 - Jacob: He's solid, and he's honestly someone who my Shepards (both gender) would rely on. He is a friend who looks out for Shepard's goals.
 - Garrus: He's Shepard's buddy (and lover for a few of my FemSheps), and he's been through thick and thin for Shepard.
 - Wrex: Everyone has mentioned him. Nuff said. (Shepard. Wrex. Shepard. Wrex... Grunt. XD)

As for my Sismance (if there's a word for it):

 - Ash: Her romance was meh, but if my FemShep wants a buddy to go out clubbing and sipping drinks on a girls' night out, I can so see them having a good time.
 - Tali: Almost like a little sister. I can see my FemShep giving friendly pushes to Tali to make a move on Kal'Reeger XD