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[Onyx Jaguar]

I would assume that the Corsairs might have done something that left a sour taste in his mouth.



Possibly somthing that they were "allowed" to do, as other actions may have had red tape, but because it was allowed it might have made it much worse. Like he was a willing participant and no one cared in the situation but it was ok, when morally it wasn't.

[Darc_Requiem]

Something involving the Corsairs would be a great DLC idea. To get around Jacob's seeming lack of popularity they could tie the Corsair's into the Ashley/Kaidan DLC.

[RPGmom28]

Nice sig, Onyx. Jacob doesn't have a bed because he's sleeping in mine.

[Darc_Requiem]

The explains the hateful glares that Miranda has been giving you RPGmom28

[Nightwriter]

I am curious about what everyone in here likes about Jacob.

[Darc_Requiem]

I like the fact that he's stable and reliable. If I'm in a fox hole, it would be with Jacob. Jacob is the only person the screw that has inkling of what it's like to be Shepard. Despite that, he's one of the few people in the game that doesn't **** to Shepard about his problems. In the case of femshep, he asks how are you holding up. The only other person that does that is Liara. Everyone else thinks Shepard is Gabriel Byrne and the Normandy is the set of In Treatment. Plus he's not a walking stereotype, I'm looking at you Cole Train.

[lazuli]

Nightwriter wrote...

I am curious about what everyone in here likes about Jacob.

• His voice acting is great, even though he gets some bad lines.
• He doesn't open up easily.
• Shepard can make him mad if she tries to psycho-analyze him.
• He is very effective in combat, especially with recent DLC (Firepower + Lair of the Shadowbroker re-spec).
• His romance gets better on subsequent playthroughs.
• He's an underdog on these forums for many reasons.

[Nightwriter]

But how do you feel about the fact that you can't really talk to him as a person, informally? How do you feel about how he'll never really let you in?

He is the only character who does not have a character arc. Don't you feel that's unfair?

[lazuli]

Nightwriter wrote...

But how do you feel about the fact that you can't really talk to him as a person, informally? How do you feel about how he'll never really let you in?

He is the only character who does not have a character arc. Don't you feel that's unfair?

You can talk to him as a person, or at least he offers just as much as any other character in ME2 in that department.  He has a friendship style dialog that you can access while female, contrary to popular belief.  And I don't feel that "he'll never really let [me] in."  People master their emotions in different ways.  I don't need to see Jacob blubbering or pounding his fist dramatically into the table (not that I have anything against Thane) to understand him.

As for character arcs, dynamic characters are overrated.  It seems largely assumed that for a character to be effective, that character must undergo change.  Yet sometimes a static character makes more sense for a given situation than a dynamic character.

I do feel that Jacob was treated unfairly, though perhaps not by Bioware.  He has a terrible reputation on these forums and people slide in jabs at him in the most bizarre places.  You could be discussing the benefits of one shotgun over another and find diatribes against Jacob interspersed throughout.  There's a lot of "Come on, it's just Jacob" talk as well.  Don't ask me to dig any up, please.  I'd bet you've seen it.

[CC-Tron]

I don't understand why some posters feel  the need to come into a Jacob fan thread just to tell fans they don't like him. It's almost as if they think fans in here are having too much fun or this fan thread shouldn't have lasted as it has.

[Darc_Requiem]

I still think it's funny how Jacob will dump FemShep is she keeps pressing him about opening up. Nice to see a squad mate with backbone.

[PrinceLionheart]

In all honesty, Jacob's character reminded me a lot of Garrus' in ME1 with the big difference being Jacob had no need for guidance on his future. He's been through a lot of things and respectably left the alliance because he felt he wasn't making a difference. His character is totally business before pleasure and I can respect that.



I'll admit, it would've been nice to hear some more about his past, but in all honest I can find just as many flaws in other characters as I can in Jacob.

[Darc_Requiem]

@Mrsph

Jacob actually owns with the firepower pack. I know I've said this several times in this thread, but Jacob+Inferno Ammo+Geth Pulse Shotgun+M5 Phalanx+Heavy Barrier= WIN

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 25 octobre 2010 - 06:14 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Jacob is one of my fave squad mates on Veteran with Garrus.

Jacob pulls and Garrus, pops them.



He is very hard to kill though with Barrier, and has the same amount of staying power from Grunt or Legion almost.

[Festi]

For me the fact that Jacob has one of the best lines in the game (Hit 'em with the good stuff!!!) makes up for those not so good lines he ends up with in the romance. All in all the people who just don't like him for his romance seem a little ridiculous to me. As man Shep you don't even have to think about that and as Femshep, asides from her sleaze (which is Shepard not Jacob), you have the option of perusing a just friends relationship, which, IMO Jacob handles in a remarkably mature way without me feeling like I'm kicking a puppy.



I do wish he would open up more but I hardly blame him for it. I think that has more to do with the writers and limited dialog in ME2 which honestly bothered me for all of the characters. Especially Jack... that was a real let down for me as Femshep.



I have to say my biggest problem with Jacob is the design... his waist looks to small to me in his default outfit.... but that not a huge issue when it comes down to it. Maybe he isn't a cool alien but he is a cool guy which is more than I can say for Kaiden at this point.... (I'm still mad about the whole epic change of character backstabbing thing.... :<)



Honestly though... when it comes to opening up... there are other characters who really seem pretty closed off too. Jacob is just up front and honest about what he does and doesn't want to talk about and is very clear about it. I know Jacob stops talking to me because he doesn't want to talk... Garrus (as much as I love him) stops talking to me because.... I'm assuming.... he just doesn't want to talk to me... I mean... how long can you calibrate for anyway...

[CC-Tron]

Darc_Requiem wrote...

@Mrsph

Jacob actually owns with the firepower pack. I know I've said this several times in this thread, but Jacob+Inferno Ammo+Geth Pulse Shotgun+M5 Phalanx+Heavy Barrier= WIN

Lately I've been trying JT with Improved Barrier instead. There isn't a huge difference between them strength wise. With all the upgrades, his improved barrier was still in the 600 strength range and it last much longer. Good for keeping that biotic glow during cut scenes.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 25 octobre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Darc_Requiem]

I've used both, depends on the difficulty. On insanity, I'd go for heavy. With Shepard, I prefer Improved to Heavy for the most part though.

Modifié par Darc_Requiem, 25 octobre 2010 - 10:02 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Festi wrote...

Honestly though... when it comes to opening up... there are other characters who really seem pretty closed off too. Jacob is just up front and honest about what he does and doesn't want to talk about and is very clear about it. I know Jacob stops talking to me because he doesn't want to talk... Garrus (as much as I love him) stops talking to me because.... I'm assuming.... he just doesn't want to talk to me... I mean... how long can you calibrate for anyway...

Through my multiple playthroughs I've discovered that Garrus and Tali are the squadmates who talk to you the least if you don't pursue their romance. Three conversations a piece and 2/3 of them are dedicated to their respective Recruitment & Loyalty missions.

But I digress, I agree with lazuli's early point about Jacob being a good example of a static character. Unlike ME1, I felt the flow of character development was pretty shaky for a lot of the other romances. Jack pulls a total 180 in character in-between cutscenes, Shep is ready to jump Thane's bones after he was just talking about his dead wife, Tali's is completely about how they'll touch and have sex.

Personally, I found all the ME2 romances to be rather shallow, so I have to scratch my head on why only Jacob's gets so much crap.

[RPGmom28]

Festi, I also noticed Jacob's waist looking very tiny. It makes me wonder if there was a measurement in his character mesh that was just a little off. Zaeed is also a male human and doesn't seem to have the same waist/torso ratio issues.

[lazuli]

mrsph wrote...

Jacob's biggest problem is that he wasn't a cool alien. Because, as someone above me said, he has all of the faults that Garrus has/had.

edit: And his skill-set is pretty sub-par compared to everyone else. Except for maybe Jack.

I completely agree with your first statement.

As for his skill-set, I used to agree with you.  I've seen the light, though.  I rank him right after Miranda now, at least on Insanity.

RPGmom28 wrote...

Festi, I also noticed Jacob's waist looking very tiny. It makes me wonder if there was a measurement in his character mesh that was just a little off. Zaeed is also a male human and doesn't seem to have the same waist/torso ratio issues.

It's the black and white used in his outfit.  Black is especially slimming when contrasted with a bright color on the interior.  Jacob's outfit features black on his sides and then white closer to the center of his body.  I don't think his proportions are any less realistic than Miranda's, though that's not saying much.

Modifié par lazuli, 25 octobre 2010 - 11:49 .

[Alexine]

lazuli wrote...

RPGmom28 wrote...

Festi, I also noticed Jacob's waist looking very tiny. It makes me wonder if there was a measurement in his character mesh that was just a little off. Zaeed is also a male human and doesn't seem to have the same waist/torso ratio issues.

It's the black and white used in his outfit.  Black is especially slimming when contrasted with a bright color on the interior.  Jacob's outfit features black on his sides and then white closer to the center of his body.  I don't think his proportions are any less realistic than Miranda's, though that's not saying much.

I also found that his suits makes his shoulders larger. Jacob's got big shoulders.

And to a previous topic, I never thought of Jacob similar to Garrus in ME1. I never liked Garrus in ME1, since he was too hot-headed and to a lesser extent "whiny" (People thought Kaidan was whiny, but Garrus was much worse). Jacob's more of a level-headed ME1 Garrus who's already gone through what path he has to go.

[Darc_Requiem]

Alexine is back. I'm glad Super Jacob was able to track you down. Thought the Collector's nabbed you.

[Festi]

^ No one can resist dem abbs!!!

[Darc_Requiem]

Wasn't Gash going to do a Dem Abs gif? It would fit this occasion. I know you guys are going to jump me for this, but I was surprised Alexine didn't break out Jacob Solus or Jacob Vakarian for her return. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to borrow Kasumi's cloak and hide from the fallout