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[Collider]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

Collider wrote...

They definitely messed a few things up about Jacob, unfortunately. His hair and the fact that for some reason his skillset is different than it was in Galaxy. And his romance could be better. He also needed more character insight in his loyalty mission. But he's a good bro for MShepard, as well as femshep if you can stomach her voice acting.

I really like how Jacob gives the "If you need to vent, I'm here" line, one of the best parts in all the romances (both male and female) in my opinion, too bad it gets overlooked way too much due to nobody actually trying the relationship out themselves, instead all people do is go watch Youtube, jerks.

Here's what I posted in your group regarding Jacob's romance:


There are a few things wrong with how Jacob acts in his romance:
1. Saying that Miranda needs a better man to femShep, yet still romancing her.
The thing with this is that I know Jacob wasn't trying to be rude or putting down Shepard, or saying that Miranda is better than femShep, or that femShep is second best. He's trying to be the gentleman giving the lady the benefit of the doubt, the problem is that in the contex of femShep's romance some players saw that as implying that femShep is second best or that Jacob is good enough for femShep but not Miranda. The writers and developers should have taken this into account.

2. His lines in the romance scene pre-suicide mission in Shepard's cabins. Needs rewriting completely. They could have done something where Jacob is using those cheesy lines because he doesn't know to speak to a woman as amazing as Shepard, and he says this. That he's never met anyone like her before, and he realizes that hollow words like those just aren't going to cut it. So in that way you've got that sort of awkwardness - but the player gets the impression that Jacob is kind of awkward because femShep is special and unique to Jacob.

There are some good things about how Jacob acts:
1.
He asks Shepard essentially how she is feeling. That's good and the
fact that she is able to respond in a way that isn't "I'm fine" is even
better. Stuff like this is great for a romance.
2. For the most part he is respectful. He needs to open up more about his past though.

Now what is
REALLY the problem with Jacob's romance is how femShep acts and how
that affects the romance. It's way too forward. She changes the way she speaks to Jacob and basically
no one else. That's creepy. And the romance doesn't end on a good note
with Jacob's lines. I'm planning, for kicks, to rewrite Jacob's romance
to see how it may have been if things were different.

[Collider]

Also, here's a poll I made about Jacob. You might have expected different results.

social.bioware.com/892908/polls/5236/

[Talifan]

Yeah, I agree that Collider hit the nail on the head with every single point about Jacob. I for one don't hate Jacob, I like him but he's boring in combat and his conversations, not to be offensive were also incredibly boring.



And oh god yes that awful romance with him >< it could have gone ALOT better but I swear the director of that scene wanted to make a porno out of it a very bad one at that, Femsheps voice acting there was absolutely horrendous and I lost alot of respect for femshep after seeing that.



Overall for me if Jacob was made a little more interesting to talk to, given better combat abilities and his romance re-done to not make it so cheesy I want to puke, I would have used him a lot more.

[Talifan]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

LuckyIronAxe wrote...
Femshep's skank levels were off the charts, which affected later dialogue negatively.

LOL
Have you talked to anyone that actually likes the way FemShep talks to him?

I'm willing to bet they like bad pornos

[Collider]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

So Collider, I'm not going to quote you due to the sheer volume of words here, but everything you said is correct. He could have handled the Miranda bit better, and Femshep's skank levels were off the charts, which affected later dialogue negatively.

Yea I agree completely. It's absolutely ridiculous the way she sounds and I have no idea what kind of drugs Bioware was on when they made it this way. I heard that in other languages femShep doesn't sound like she wants to rape Jacob so I really don't know wtf happened.

But maybe instead of scrapping the whole thing Bioware should just evolve the romance in ME 3, you know, make what sounds like a one night stand into an actual long term relationship, hell millions of relationships start off like this, so I believe it would make the relationship feel "real". This is just an idea of mine though, thoughts?

That's a very good idea. If they are listening to these forums and what people had to say about his romance, this scenario seems likely. I don't see them as sidelining his romance - at least by anything more than a little - simpy because there were some problems in it. They are, as with the other romances, going to continue his. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes (Jacob is not the only one with some things I disagree with in terms of romance) and try to develop his romance into something more. This is what I expect to happen. So there's hope for Jacob fans. I fully expect him to return as a squad mate.

[Collider]

Talifan wrote...

Yeah, I agree that Collider hit the nail on the head with every single point about Jacob. I for one don't hate Jacob, I like him but he's boring in combat and his conversations, not to be offensive were also incredibly boring.

I'm not sure if he's boring, but he's overshadowed by the rest of the team. This didn't need to happen. If Jacob talked about space pirate (corsair) and Alliance days, he would become much more interesting. Or even his hobbies - say football or maybe even anime. One of the problems with Jacob is that he lacks a hook - every other character has a hook.

Miranda - Cold, calculating, and genetically modified by a douchebag father. Cerberus supporter
Grunt - Young Krogan warrior just starting his life, looks up to Shepard
Mordin - Brilliant and eccentric scientist with inner conflicts about the moral implications of his work
Thane - Dying introspective assassin feeling guilt about his previous actions and wanting to repent
Jack - Agressive on the outside, little girl on the inside. Has a horrible but unique past.

Etc.

What does Jacob have...he's basically a nice guy...stuck in limbo between Cerberus and the Alliance, recognizes that Cerberus is an evil terrorist organization but also that the Alliance is often slow and steeped in regulation. Other than that, he's basically just a soldier who has his life, everything squared away, and doesn't really talk about his past.

Overall for me if Jacob was made a little more interesting to talk to, given better combat abilities and his romance re-done to not make it so cheesy I want to puke, I would have used him a lot more.

I agree.

Modifié par Collider, 11 mai 2010 - 07:11 .

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Does anyone have a theory as to what the Bioware romance writers were thinking when they did Jacob's romance. I know they try to cover a broad area of interests concerning the LI's, but what area does Jacob's cover? Specifically the dialog and the way it is spoken between FemShep and Jacob.

Miranda and Jacob - Sexy and flirtatious romance with human leads
Tali and Garrus - Awkward, cute romance with long time friends
Jack - Thane - Tragic romance with tragic characters

[Talifan]

Totally agreed Collider, Jacob just dosn't bring anything interesting to talk about, he talks about the mission, that more then likely all of them are gonna die and thats.....really pretty much it.

[Talifan]

no not really, the renegade responses kill the relationship.

[Collider]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Is the flirtatious spoken dialog that FemShep engages in with Jacob renegade?

She has that tone basically with everything she says to Jacob...

[Talifan]

For whatever reason, they made the human romances essentially one night stands, just Jacob's got made into a really bad porno.

[Collider]

Talifan wrote...

For whatever reason, they made the human romances essentially one night stands, just Jacob's got made into a really bad porno.

Paragon Jack is not a one night stand. If you choose certain options, neither is Miranda. Jacob I have no idea because I haven't seen the whole thing.

[Collider]

LuckyIronAxe wrote...

....what...

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