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[Pacifien]

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

[CC-Tron]

Sand King wrote...

Collider makes some good points. The loyalty missions don't really develop any of the characters at all. Besides Jack's mission theres not much development.

That's was my point exactly.

[Collider]

TOUCH THE KEYSTONE SHEPARD

[Collider]

CC-Tron wrote...

Sand King wrote...

Collider makes some good points. The loyalty missions don't really develop any of the characters at all. Besides Jack's mission theres not much development.

That's was my point exactly.

Disagree. All of the loyalty missions aside from Jacob had character development. We learned new things and we watched the characters grow. With Jacob we didn't really. I like Jacob, I just wish they had spent more time with him character wise.

[CC-Tron]

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

[Commissar Gash]

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

[CC-Tron]

Collider wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Sand King wrote...

Collider makes some good points. The loyalty missions don't really develop any of the characters at all. Besides Jack's mission theres not much development.

That's was my point exactly.

Disagree. All of the loyalty missions aside from Jacob had character development. We learned new things and we watched the characters grow. With Jacob we didn't really. I like Jacob, I just wish they had spent more time with him character wise.

Yeah we disagree. I didn't see much character growth at all in the game as a whole. What was there was adequate but not exactly what I'd call much depth.

[CC-Tron]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

I think Grunt's mission was a bonding moment. 

Modifié par CC-Tron, 14 mai 2010 - 07:19 .

[Commissar Gash]

CC-Tron wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

I think Grunt's mission was a bonding moment. 

Yep, that's true, after the mission Grunt gained respect for Shepard, we can say that Shepard is Grunt's Yoda.

Modifié par gashgfjaskgfkagh, 14 mai 2010 - 07:24 .

[kraidy1117]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Keep up the good work Sargent!

I have a new question: If you were Bioware how would you make Jacob (personality, skillset, loyalty mission, dialogue)?

For one, I would have made him talk more bout his past. Talk about WHAT happen at Edan-prime, talk about some of the stuff he did in the corairs. Jacob doe not talk about that, thats what makes him sadly borning. As for his skill-set. Give him a AR and a shotgun. Then give him pull and inferno ammo. That would balance him out very well.

[kraidy1117]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

I think Grunt's mission was a bonding moment. 

Yep, that's true, after the mission Grunt gained respect for Shepard, we can say that Shepard is Grunt's Yoda.

I loved Grunts mission because I got to saw Wrex

[Commissar Gash]

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Keep up the good work Sargent!

I have a new question: If you were Bioware how would you make Jacob (personality, skillset, loyalty mission, dialogue)?

For one, I would have made him talk more bout his past. Talk about WHAT happen at Edan-prime, talk about some of the stuff he did in the corairs. Jacob doe not talk about that, thats what makes him sadly borning. As for his skill-set. Give him a AR and a shotgun. Then give him pull and inferno ammo. That would balance him out very well.

I agree, that would make him more interseting and usefull.

[Commissar Gash]

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

I think Grunt's mission was a bonding moment. 

Yep, that's true, after the mission Grunt gained respect for Shepard, we can say that Shepard is Grunt's Yoda.

I loved Grunts mission because I got to saw Wrex

"Shepard! My friend!" *Bro hug* The best bromance moment in the whole game:wub:

[kraidy1117]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Keep up the good work Sargent!

I have a new question: If you were Bioware how would you make Jacob (personality, skillset, loyalty mission, dialogue)?

For one, I would have made him talk more bout his past. Talk about WHAT happen at Edan-prime, talk about some of the stuff he did in the corairs. Jacob doe not talk about that, thats what makes him sadly borning. As for his skill-set. Give him a AR and a shotgun. Then give him pull and inferno ammo. That would balance him out very well.

I agree, that would make him more interseting and usefull.

The problem with Jacob in combat is his skillset just sucks. Everyone who has a shotgun has a better skillset. Jack is so plain dangeorus, not because of her shotgun, but because of her biotics. Tali again has her drone which can be used for crowd control, again this makes her very dangerous. Then we have Grunt who IMHO is way overpowered in the game. He has AR, shotgun, inferno ammo, that blast move plus he has recharging health, that krogan charge and his health can be upgraded.

Jacob's skillset just pales in comparsion.

[kraidy1117]

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

My Shepard and Grunt totally had a moment when I touched the keystone.

You see, wasn't that so deeeply moving?

I cried at the moment he said "Touch the Keystone Shepard!"
But Grunt had character development and we learned more about the Krogan.

I think Grunt's mission was a bonding moment. 

Yep, that's true, after the mission Grunt gained respect for Shepard, we can say that Shepard is Grunt's Yoda.

I loved Grunts mission because I got to saw Wrex

"Shepard! My friend!" *Bro hug* The best bromance moment in the whole game:wub:

I remember when I was gonig into ME2, I was so looking forward to going to Tunchanka to see Wrex. I was disapointed he could not be on the team but he had a fantastic cameo and the best reason why he can't join you. I hope his mission turns out well, the Krogan need a man like Wrex.

[mosor]

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Keep up the good work Sargent!

I have a new question: If you were Bioware how would you make Jacob (personality, skillset, loyalty mission, dialogue)?

For one, I would have made him talk more bout his past. Talk about WHAT happen at Edan-prime, talk about some of the stuff he did in the corairs. Jacob doe not talk about that, thats what makes him sadly borning. As for his skill-set. Give him a AR and a shotgun. Then give him pull and inferno ammo. That would balance him out very well.

Maybe because he was the protagonist ME galaxy so a good chunk of his past is already out there in the ME universe. As for his skill set, he has all those skills except for the AR. He isn't bad with the evicirator shotty. Hell of a lot more accurate at distance with it than I am. I generally think he is an excellent squaddie with his squad incendiary and his pull.  The only dissapointing thing is his loyalty bonus makes him weaker because he keeps turning on that barrier with it's long cooldown, when I really need his pull.

[kraidy1117]

mosor wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

gashgfjaskgfkagh wrote...

Keep up the good work Sargent!

I have a new question: If you were Bioware how would you make Jacob (personality, skillset, loyalty mission, dialogue)?

For one, I would have made him talk more bout his past. Talk about WHAT happen at Edan-prime, talk about some of the stuff he did in the corairs. Jacob doe not talk about that, thats what makes him sadly borning. As for his skill-set. Give him a AR and a shotgun. Then give him pull and inferno ammo. That would balance him out very well.

Maybe because he was the protagonist ME galaxy so a good chunk of his past is already out there in the ME universe. As for his skill set, he has all those skills except for the AR. He isn't bad with the evicirator shotty. Hell of a lot more accurate at distance with it than I am. I generally think he is an excellent squaddie with his squad incendiary and his pull.  The only dissapointing thing is his loyalty bonus makes him weaker because he keeps turning on that barrier with it's long cooldown, when I really need his pull.

Again, Galaxy just explains why he decided to join Cerberus and how he met Miri. There was no info on anything of his past. He also had warp, overload and a AR. These where all taken ourt of ME2. Again, why do I need Jacob when I have Grunt?  Grunt can do team inferno ammo and he is alot and better then Jacob in combat. Hell once I get Zaeed Jacob just sits on the ship. The only characters I use the most are Miri, Garrus, Samara, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Kasumi and Legion.

[mosor]

kraidy1117 wrote...


The problem with Jacob in combat is his skillset just sucks. Everyone who has a shotgun has a better skillset. Jack is so plain dangeorus, not because of her shotgun, but because of her biotics. Tali again has her drone which can be used for crowd control, again this makes her very dangerous. Then we have Grunt who IMHO is way overpowered in the game. He has AR, shotgun, inferno ammo, that blast move plus he has recharging health, that krogan charge and his health can be upgraded.

Jacob's skillset just pales in comparsion.

Jack vs Jacob. Both have pull but jacob has squad incediary. Thats better than shockwave and squad warp ammo against organics. Jacob is also has better survivability than Jack.

Tali vs Jacob. Tali is better against synthetics but against organics I prefer Jacob because his squad incediary and pull are more useful than a 30 second cooldown combat drone and AI hacking.

Jacob vs Grunt:  Grunt is more durable and has concussive shot. Problem is if you give him squad incendiary you will either not max out his passive, concussive shot or his fortification. Jacob you can max pull incendiary and his passive,. Pull is also superior to concussive shot if you have warp or bring miranda./Thane along.

[CC-Tron]

I don't know about you guys but Heavy Barrier alone makes Jacob for me. That and inferno ammo in the eviscerator. I'd gladly trade a skill of each of the other squad members to give them a barrier of some sort. The other squad mates aside from Grunt or Legion are in trouble after just a few shots. The assault rifle doesn't have the same impact of a eviscerator shot gun blast with inferno ammo. I usually switch Grunt to enviscerator instead of AR. Pull is great and it enhances other skills like warp and concussive shot which would other wise be weak.

I never waste time with squad incendiary. Full power inferno ammo is the way to go. It has a blast effect so nearby enemies also catch fire.

Modifié par CC-Tron, 14 mai 2010 - 07:52 .

[Pacifien]

Before the Eviscerator, I wasn't so keen on Jacob over Grunt, but now they both play their roles well enough. If I'm taking Miranda or Thane, I'll choose Jacob just to help set up the warp explosions.

Tali and Jack make for awful shotgun squadmates. For Tali, I have to time her combat drone just right in order for her to get close enough to her target before being gunned down. I prefer her in a support role. Jack... she's like Thane in my mind -- they should be quite lethal but the game mechanics hinder them greatly. Jack should have barrier as an option. Without any ability to distract or protect, she's too vulnerable to be going up close with a shotgun.

[mosor]

CC-Tron wrote...

I don't know about you guys but Heavy Barrier alone makes Jacob for me. That and inferno ammo in the eviscerator. I'd gladly trade a skill of each of the other squad members to give them a barrier of some sort. The other squad mates aside from Grunt or Legion are in trouble after just a few shots. The assault rifle doesn't have the same impact of a eviscerator shot gun blast with inferno ammo. I usually switch Grunt to enviscerator instead of AR. Pull is great and it enhances other skills like warp and concussive shot which would other wise be weak.

I never waste time with squad incendiary. Full power inferno ammo is the way to go. It has a blast effect so nearby enemies also catch fire.

Depends on the class I play. If I play any class other than a vanguard, or soldier, I'll take squad incendiary because against organics, that ammo owns. Otherwise I give him inferno, and he's pretty deadly with it.

[mosor]

kraidy1117 wrote...


Again, Galaxy just explains why he decided to join Cerberus and how he met Miri. There was no info on anything of his past. He also had warp, overload and a AR. These where all taken ourt of ME2. Again, why do I need Jacob when I have Grunt?  Grunt can do team inferno ammo and he is alot and better then Jacob in combat. Hell once I get Zaeed Jacob just sits on the ship. The only characters I use the most are Miri, Garrus, Samara, Jack, Grunt, Thane, Kasumi and Legion.

Those are just game balance issues. Why don't your squadmates have the cooldown and powers sheppard has? He was the protagonist so he's gonna be a little overpowered than an NPC.

Why Jacob over Grunt? Because on insanity Grunt doesn't survive much better than Jacob does. A little better but not by much. Because I can get Pull field, Squad incendiary and max passive out of Jacob, but if I max grunt's incendiary I can't max out 2 out of his 4 skills. In a way that nerfs grunt. I'd rather max out his concussive shot, fortification and his passive, Pull lets you combo with you or your squadmates by using warp, throw or conssive shot. Concussive shot doesn't. 

Grunt as a squadmate are more for people who don't like to manage their squad's powers much.

As for his history on eden prime. He does talk about it a little. I know at least once on horizon and once if you view the alter on the Reaper IFF mission. 

Modifié par mosor, 14 mai 2010 - 08:35 .

[Pacifien]

I think his history on Eden Prime was untapped potential. I don't know if I somehow missed the conversation points up until then, but I didn't even know Jacob was supposed to have been on Eden Prime until he mentions it while examining the husks on Horizon. Then Shepard asks Jacob if he's okay when we see the dragon's teeth on the Derelict Reaper. But as far as I know, there's no "you were on Eden Prime, huh" moments between the two. Seems kind of an important connection between the two to just shove into background dialogue, especially if Shepard is going to show some concern about it.

Jacob is so intent on not talking about his past, it's hard to find what you can talk about with him. If you ask about the mission, he just indicates whether or not he thinks everyone is ready. If you ask about his dad, he says he doesn't want to talk about it. Okay, what do you want to talk about, Jacob? The priiize?

Oh dammit, we almost went four pages without someone saying that...

Modifié par Pacifien, 14 mai 2010 - 08:54 .

[mosor]

Pacifien wrote...

I think his history on Eden Prime was untapped potential. I don't know if I somehow missed the conversation points up until then, but I didn't even know Jacob was supposed to have been on Eden Prime until he mentions it while examining the husks on Horizon. Then Shepard asks Jacob if he's okay when we see the dragon's teeth on the Derelict Reaper. But as far as I know, there's no "you were on Eden Prime, huh" moments between the two. Seems kind of an important connection between the two to just shove into background dialogue, especially if Shepard is going to show some concern about it.

Jacob is so intent on not talking about his past, it's hard to find what you can talk about with him. If you ask about the mission, he just indicates whether or not he thinks everyone is ready. If you ask about his dad, he says he doesn't want to talk about it. Okay, what do you want to talk about, Jacob? The priiize?

Oh dammit, we almost went four pages without someone saying that...

If you're femshep, he's the only one other than Dr. Chakwas who even bothers to ask how are you doing. Other than that, he needs liquor at a bar to open himself up, and I'm down with that.