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[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wrex cameo was fantastic Nozy. He got the best treatment and has a very good reason why he could not join.

Here ya go kraidy:

Choice#1)  Miranda is not in game at all

Choice#2) Miranda is in game, but you in the 3 minute cameo she has you find out she has moved to Eden Prime where she bought a house for her and Shep.  She spends all day wearing a big heavy apron, cleaning the house, and making sure a hot dinner is on the table for when Shep comes home from a hard day of shooting geth and saving the galaxy.  Her largest ambition in life is now to produce a litter of Shep babies.

Which would you go with?

First that does not even fit her character, second that would fi\\t Tali or even Ash more, thirdly thats a crap cameo, not what I was talking about. Wrex cameo was well done.

[Nozybidaj]

kraidy1117 wrote...

First that does not even fit her character, second that would fi\\\\t Tali or even Ash more, thirdly thats a crap cameo, not what I was talking about. Wrex cameo was well done.

Doesn't fit the character, a crap cameo?  Think about that for a while and maybe you'll start to appreciate how Liara fans feel.

[DigitalMaster37]

I am gonna go on a limb and say that all of the LIs will make a return to ME3, the rest will see cameoland.



This is how I see it. I don't believe there will be new characters cause Casey has gone on record saying that ME3 is about closure with each story line, so why make new story lines in ME3?



Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

[jlb524]

You just have to remember that there are too many variables for the developers to worry about while they create the game if they try to bring back a bunch of potentially dead squad mates. This is why new characters are easier to implement.



I know that new characters would take more time/money to create during the writing/design phase of the project, but not during the game development phase. They are most definitely alive and the programmers can avoid the added complexity that would arise from having to take possible character deaths into account throughout the entire game development process. I'm going to say that the game development phase is longer than the design/writing phase, and that BW probably employs more developers/programmers than they do writers and artists. That equals more work hours and more $$$.

[kraidy1117]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

Why where you able to kill half the characters in DAO during the game expect for the three major ones (two where part of the main story and the third was came back to awakaing)

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

This is easy!!!  To save them from dying on the suicide mission so they could be in ME3....oh, wait.... 

[Collider]

Again, sidelined for guaranteed survival in ME3. That was the point of the cameos.

[DigitalMaster37]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

Personally I think the ME1 Lis were a casualty of the developers priority list and when crunch time came they had to scale back on fleshing out the stories. I could be way off base, but I think they were supposed to be in the game at some point, but then were given these shoddy cameos.

[MaxQuartiroli]

Nozybidaj wrote...

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

To be sure they cannot die in the suicide mission, and therefore to being able to bring them in ME3 without any troubles... expecially for Liara, because for Kaidan/Ashley there is always the problem they cannot be both alive...

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Liara, Ash, Kaidan, Miranda, Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jacob will be squaddies in ME3, unless BioWare gives the ME2 characters the cameo treatment.

And I'd ask again (not you specifically Delta, just in general) then what was the point of Liara/Ash/Kaidan not being in ME2 at that point?

This is easy!!!  To save them from dying on the suicide mission so they could be in ME3....oh, wait.... 

Exactly.

[kraidy1117]

I know the real reason, but i won't say it because it will cause a civil war, flaming and a headache, if you want to know, then just pm me >_<

[Nozybidaj]

Well, we all know the "real" reason why. Obviously all the pre-ME2 talk was just CH blowing smoke up our rears.

Edit:  And makes me wonder why this is ever ever a debate.  I think its pretty clear the direction they want to go from what they gave us in ME2.  Not happy about it, but it is what it is.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 30 avril 2010 - 06:56 .

[Nozybidaj]

aynxalot wrote...


EDIT: Nozy, I'm beginning to suspect that you actually secretly hope the ME2's get sidelined to either justify or avenge the ME1's getting that treatment.

I never thought it was much of a secret.  If BW is going to live up to what they told us pre-Me2 they would have to sideline the ME2 crew.  Of course we all know that isn't going to happen, hence my "blowing smoke" comment.

[jlb524]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I know the real reason, but i won't say it because it will cause a civil war, flaming and a headache, if you want to know, then just pm me >_<

Trust me, I know the real reason. 

[jlb524]

aynxalot wrote...

*Facepalm* Good to know how thoroughly ignored my twice-offered rebuttal at this theory was.
So we know the ME1 LIs are necessary to the story. HOWEVER the ME2 LIs can still play large roles and be squaddies, just not one the plot hinges on or that cannot be filled by another character.

/beating head against wall

If the ME2 crew is in the squad, they won't have a large role in the plot and their dialog will probably be cheap and generic.  Outside the crew, it would be easier to give them plot-critical roles. 

Using Tali as an example again (though it could be any of them), if she's on the flotilla, she will have a bigger role in the story since she's limited to existing in one area....it's less of a mess for the developers considering she could be dead.  If she is dead, replace her with another influential quarian.  Tali, of course, would have more dialog with Shepard, especially if romanced.

If she's in the crew, the developers have to worry about her potential death everywhere throughout the game and her role and the quality of her dialog will suffer for it.

Thus, I don't think they can play a large role and be squad mates.  One or the other.

[Sky Shadowing]

jlb524 wrote...

aynxalot wrote...

*Facepalm* Good to know how thoroughly ignored my twice-offered rebuttal at this theory was.
So we know the ME1 LIs are necessary to the story. HOWEVER the ME2 LIs can still play large roles and be squaddies, just not one the plot hinges on or that cannot be filled by another character.

/beating head against wall

If the ME2 crew is in the squad, they won't have a large role in the plot and their dialog will probably be cheap and generic.  Outside the crew, it would be easier to give them plot-critical roles. 

Using Tali as an example again (though it could be any of them), if she's on the flotilla, she will have a bigger role in the story since she's limited to existing in one area....it's less of a mess for the developers considering she could be dead.  If she is dead, replace her with another influential quarian.  Tali, of course, would have more dialog with Shepard, especially if romanced.

If she's in the crew, the developers have to worry about her potential death everywhere throughout the game and her role and the quality of her dialog will suffer for it.

Thus, I don't think they can play a large role and be squad mates.  One or the other.

Alistair from DAO begs to disagree with you. Morrigan to a slightly lesser extent.

[jlb524]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Alistair from DAO begs to disagree with you. Morrigan to a slightly lesser extent.

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Alistair from DAO begs to disagree with you. Morrigan to a slightly lesser extent.

Yeah I had kinda the same reaction.

[DigitalMaster37]

jlb524 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I know the real reason, but i won't say it because it will cause a civil war, flaming and a headache, if you want to know, then just pm me >_<

Trust me, I know the real reason. 

I probably know too, but the fact that I just said "probably" scares me...  so please tell me why?

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 30 avril 2010 - 07:20 .

[Sky Shadowing]

jlb524 wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Alistair from DAO begs to disagree with you. Morrigan to a slightly lesser extent.

Is that closer to "Crap, he's right" or "Is he really that stupid?"

To further support my claims, it wouldn't be that hard to combine what you're saying and what others are saying. Tali can be a squadmate, but she only plays a role on the Flotilla. If she's in your squad then, she has a lot of extra dialouge, etc.

For example, if she's alive, the player gets a choice- support Tali as an Admiral, giving a bonus to the final battle, keep her with you (something she really wants). If she's dead, you don't get her as a squadmate or that choice.

[Nozybidaj]

Sky Shadowing wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sky Shadowing wrote...

Alistair from DAO begs to disagree with you. Morrigan to a slightly lesser extent.

Is that closer to "Crap, he's right" or "Is he really that stupid?"

I think we were rather confused on what sort of parallel you were trying to draw.  Alistar and Morrigan in DA:O in now way represent the same situation of ME2 characters appearing in ME3.

[jlb524]

I'm arguing from the perspective of a person that has to sit down and code the game and design each level. Tali's potential death is easier to deal with if she is limited to one area of the game than if she could be everywhere at anytime (i.e., squad mate). By 'easier to deal with' I mean coding complexity. As the complexity of code goes up, time it takes to make it work right and test it goes up, cost goes up (unless BW is paying their developers a crap wage or they work for free).

They could do both (squad mate and role on flotilla), of course, but this would even be more complex.

Modifié par jlb524, 30 avril 2010 - 07:28 .