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[m.harmless]

I just reached Lvl 27 with my dwarven warrior and was eager to try out the newly aquired Massacre talent, which is supposed to "automatically kill" nearby enemies of "lower or lesser rank" (I suppose it should read "normal or lesser").

However, when my warrior (Sword & Shield, Str 58, Damage according to character screen: 85.3) uses the talent, there are no automatic kills. White enemies take ~160 points of damage, but that's it. Far from an instant kill.

Is this a bug? Or does the automatic kill only work on the lowest level "critters"?

[CybAnt1]

This seems to me to be a case where it if did what it said, it would be even more overpowered then it is already. I think a warrior already being able to deal out 100s of points of damage in an AoE radius (without even swinging his weapon! what's doing the damage? flatulence?) is rather powerful enough. In this case it might be good it doesn't work as billed.

[m.harmless]

you're probably right. I just wondered whether it works the same for other people, or if it depends on your stats/talents.

From the descriptions I expected something like an AoE version of Peon's Plight, which it is not. (with Peon's Plight my warrior does indeed insta-kill a single white enemy by inflicting ~400 points of damage, although it seem that it can be resisted sometimes) But I've read claims where people say that Massacre works in a simlar way for them and that their characters do 500+ AoE damage. Now I wondered if this can really be achieved or if these are exaggerations?

Modifié par m.harmless, 26 avril 2010 - 01:38 .

[Maedryc]

It's achievable with a 2H warrior. I routinely dealt 450/550 AoE damage with my main character, and 350-400 with Oghren and Justice ( yes, I played with 3 2H warriors. Yes, the game was really, really easy on that walkthrough )

Modifié par Maedryc, 26 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[Maedryc]

Double.

Modifié par Maedryc, 26 avril 2010 - 04:37 .

[FierachEredasSoulchiou]

Massacre deals damage based on strength then? I've had my two-handed PC instagib entire mobs with massacre.

[Maedryc]

I think it simply deals your weapon damage, with automatic crits against normal mobs, so yes, the damage depends on your strength AFAIK.

[m.harmless]

Out of curiosity: What level & stats did your 2H warriors have approximately? I'm asking because I just tested Massacre with Oghren (who recently reached Lvl 27 as well) and while he deals more damage than my sword & shield Warden (~200) it's still no guaranteed instant kill and far from the 500 mark...

[Maedryc]

m.harmless wrote...

Out of curiosity: What level & stats did your 2H warriors have approximately? I'm asking because I just tested Massacre with Oghren (who recently reached Lvl 27 as well) and while he deals more damage than my sword & shield Warden (~200) it's still no guaranteed instant kill and far from the 500 mark...

Level 33-35, and I put pretty much every single point into strength...
My main was using Vigilance, Oghren was using some two handed axe I found under Vigil's Keep, and Justice is using the Mother's Chosen (IIRC).

Modifié par Maedryc, 27 avril 2010 - 03:01 .

[asaiasai]

Are you sure you are not confusing peon's plight with massacre? I know for certain that with PP i can kill any white named mob with one hit, and severly damage a yellow or higher.



Asai

[Maedryc]

Nope, I'm pretty sure we're talking about Massacre here...

Modifié par Maedryc, 27 avril 2010 - 10:42 .

[m.harmless]

yup, that's what I'd call a massacre.



pretty much every single point in strength adds up to...? I'd guess about 120 strength, give or take? That could explain the huge damage difference since my unmodified strength is only about half of that, so that's ~36 base damage points difference from strength alone. Add the level based damage increase for 5-8 extra levels plus the difference between one-handed and two-handed weapons and my comparatively low damage values of only about one third could make sense.

[Maedryc]

I was at ~160 str at level 34, IIRC...

I respecced my character and invested just about every last point in Str, including the fade points.

Obviously, he was an imported character. If you're playing an Orlesian Warden, your Str is going to be way lower.

[m.harmless]

well, thats... strong



could even be that damage is based solely on strength then, since that's about three times the strength value of my character (str 54 + 12), who does approximately one third of the damage (~160) displayed on the screenshot you posted.

[Trelow-LMG]

My Orlesian warden frequently gibed everyone with it.

[Maedryc]

m.harmless wrote...

well, thats... strong

could even be that damage is based solely on strength then, since that's about three times the strength value of my character (str 54 + 12), who does approximately one third of the damage (~160) displayed on the screenshot you posted.

You might be right
I can't check now, but tonight I'll try to unequip my weapon and see if the damage I deal changes.

Modifié par Maedryc, 27 avril 2010 - 07:04 .

[m.harmless]

Maedryc wrote...

You might be right
I can't check now, but tonight I'll try to unequip my weapon and see if the damage I deal changes.

Please let us know how that turns out. Maybe we can unravel the mystery of the Massacre.

[m.harmless]

Just did some testing myself and came to the conclusion that both strength and weapon type are relevant. With the same amount of strength changing from a one-handed to a two-handed weapon significantly increases the damage output.

[Maedryc]

Interesting...I had pretty much the same experience with my tests

So, it either deals weapon damage or weapon damage is factored in the skill.

[m.harmless]

Well, it seems logical from the description that weapon damage would be a factor ("The warrior spins in an arc of death..."), although from the animation it does not make sense. The animation would suggest that the warrior inflicts massive damage by some kind of sonic terror attack .



Anyway, my best guess is that something like a quadruple critical hit is inflicted, i.e. 4 times regular weapon damage from a single blow. This is of course mostly guesswork, based on my observations and our discussion. If anyone figures out, how the mechanics actually work, let me know.

[Tirigon]

Seems this talent is another unrealistic **** that further reduces a mage´s usefulness.



In single-target DPS warriors beat mages by far from level 10 onwards, and now they´re much better AoE too..... Great. Just great.

[Suicider_11]

does massacre damage increase if beyond the veil is activated for a spirit warrior ?

[jsachun]

Massacre.

[Eledran]

I do more than 350 damage...



In any case, it's more than overpowered enough.

[Funkjoker]

Massacre is unbelievable awesome!! A big reason to choose a warrior as playing class. Anyway, this feat shows how rushed Awakening is: it contradicts the description. And it's not really overpowered compared to a solo rogue/archer with heartseaker and the other sustained ability! The mage's still the most overpowered class, but hey, Awakening isn't something you can call "balanced in any particular way".

Modifié par Jean-Funk Van Damme, 06 juillet 2010 - 08:35 .