I started playing ME2 a few weeks ago, and I must admit it is fantastic, but so far I still prefer ME more.
Maybe because I got kind of emotionally attached to it while playing, I am worse with video games than I am books/movies :|
Mass Effect 1 is overrated!
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 11:17
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I must addmit, when I first played Mass Effect 2, the shooter mechanics were pissing me off a bit, especialy since I started playing on normal. The game was easy and repetitious when it came to combat, flashy - but a bit boring. Also the controls and lack of powers were getting on my nerves.
However I finished the game, and started again on insanity, now the combat was repetitious just like before but defenetly more entertaining and chalenging. And by the time - I was used to the controlls... lack of powers was still annoying tho.
After finishing ME2 about three times I decided to do another "full playthrough" - replaying ME1 and importing a save to the next game.
ME1 becane a horror at some point. I'm still more attached to the first game, I still like the pacing and writing better - but ME2 is a big improvment in gameplay. I certainly hope that they will balance shooter/rpg elements and story/gameplay improvments in the last game.
However I finished the game, and started again on insanity, now the combat was repetitious just like before but defenetly more entertaining and chalenging. And by the time - I was used to the controlls... lack of powers was still annoying tho.
After finishing ME2 about three times I decided to do another "full playthrough" - replaying ME1 and importing a save to the next game.
ME1 becane a horror at some point. I'm still more attached to the first game, I still like the pacing and writing better - but ME2 is a big improvment in gameplay. I certainly hope that they will balance shooter/rpg elements and story/gameplay improvments in the last game.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 01:06
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If ME1 can be remade with the shooter mechanics and cover-system of ME2, but while still keeping the power system of ME1 intact, then we know of what to expect in ME3. (I hope!)
I hope in ME3 there is less of the whole "random boxes in front of a battle area". It makes you expect something big is about to go down.
I hope in ME3 there is less of the whole "random boxes in front of a battle area". It makes you expect something big is about to go down.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 01:17
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I loved both Mass Effects but I ENJOY Mass Effect 1 more.
Maybe it was the character levelling up, maybe it was the Mako, maybe it was the exploration and the open feel the elevators brought. Maybe it was all those little things lots of other people seemed to hate that I never had an issue with.
The story felt more epic, it felt more frantic. Hell I don't know, maybe it was Liara's voice was smoother and less Captain Kirky in ME1. But I still enjoy playing Mass Effect 1 now, over ME2. But love them both and think they're fantastic. And when the third one comes out, it will be the greatest gaming trilogy ever.
Maybe it was the character levelling up, maybe it was the Mako, maybe it was the exploration and the open feel the elevators brought. Maybe it was all those little things lots of other people seemed to hate that I never had an issue with.
The story felt more epic, it felt more frantic. Hell I don't know, maybe it was Liara's voice was smoother and less Captain Kirky in ME1. But I still enjoy playing Mass Effect 1 now, over ME2. But love them both and think they're fantastic. And when the third one comes out, it will be the greatest gaming trilogy ever.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 06:43
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I think most people hold ME1 in higher regard in a similar manner as some people revere Final Fantasy VII over all the others. I don't know? Just my opinion.
I played ME1 first, then the next day after finishing it I started ME2 and I honestly don't think ME2 is worse than ME1. Technical and gameplay aspects have been improved in the sequel (I think ME2 combat is more exciting and fluid than in ME1) but the storytelling is the same BW quality... And it's been a while since I saw such an epic, thrilling ending in a video game. The ME1 was great too, but the whole Suicide Mission part of ME2 had me holding my breath and sitting on the edge of my chair from beginning to end.
Anyway, I love both games. I've played ME1 and 2 both twice now during these two weeks and I'm starting a new paragon Shepard (played as renegade previously) in ME1 because I can't make myself start a Shepard midway through the story... I have to play ME1 first before taking her to ME2.
I played ME1 first, then the next day after finishing it I started ME2 and I honestly don't think ME2 is worse than ME1. Technical and gameplay aspects have been improved in the sequel (I think ME2 combat is more exciting and fluid than in ME1) but the storytelling is the same BW quality... And it's been a while since I saw such an epic, thrilling ending in a video game. The ME1 was great too, but the whole Suicide Mission part of ME2 had me holding my breath and sitting on the edge of my chair from beginning to end.
Anyway, I love both games. I've played ME1 and 2 both twice now during these two weeks and I'm starting a new paragon Shepard (played as renegade previously) in ME1 because I can't make myself start a Shepard midway through the story... I have to play ME1 first before taking her to ME2.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 06:58
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I think, for me, while I loved ME1 I got particularly amped up once the Normandy got impounded.
And hell, even if it sucked, Anderson punching Udina in the face would have made the entire thing worth it anyway. I cheered IRL when he did that, lol.
And hell, even if it sucked, Anderson punching Udina in the face would have made the entire thing worth it anyway. I cheered IRL when he did that, lol.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 07:01
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Some people don't like Mass Effect 2 as much as you do? BFD? The games are quite different so you'd expect people to have differing opinions about them. The trigger happy, action and thrill seeking crowd will enjoy ME2 more while the people looking for slower paced gaming and an actual story will prefer ME1.
One thing you (the OP) is seriously overlooking is the effect of playing ME1 first. If you're a long time fan of ME1, the mistakes in ME2 are all the more glaring. You will notice how the transition from ME1 to ME2 is just horrible in some places (Liara is the best example of this, but there's more). That's one of the things that irks me about ME2, a lot. If it was a stand alone game I'd like it better, but as a sequel it fails in many ways. At least it does to me. I wouldn't like "Empire Strikes Back" if they had essentially removed Han Solo and Darth Vader from the movies and given both of them a desk job, either.
I'm not saying ME2 is bad. I don't think a lot of the people criticising the game actually say that. It's just that it could have been so much better. In so many places the game is dumbed down and streamlined that I barely see a reason for me being there anymore. I always have a very, very clear idea of where I am supposed to go, I barely make any decisions at all, I just do as the Illusive Man tells me because that's my only option. In ME1 I'm following leads, sure, games will always be limited in what you can do but there's such a thing as streamlining it too much. In ME2 there's no reason to go exploring because I cannot possibly find anything at all. Items are all but removed and if I never change my armour at all I will not notice much of a difference.
For me, that really diminishes replay value. I own everything bioware ever published and I didn't even feel inclined to finish ME2 a second time. All the other games have been beaten repeatedly. Because I always felt there was something else to find, something I might have missed. I do not get that from ME2, at all. The railroad tracks were so obvious that I couldn't possibly have missed something. And I don't enjoy the shooter gameplay enough to play it again just for the bragging rights to having devastated insanity. Personally I've played better shooters as far as that aspect is concerned. I've always played Bioware games for the story and stuff like that, but ME2 is really shallow in that respect. There is no plot twist that makes me want to replay the game to see if there were clues that I missed. (KOTOR)
ME1 had several twists or revelations that really added to the quests for me. ME2 is more straightlined than most action movies. I do enjoy action movies, but I don't get a Bioware game for the action. Quite frankly, other companies do action better than you guys. Sorry. What you do (did?) well is story. Focus on that. Thanks.
Overall ME1 had a lot more engaging moments for me as well. There was just more to the story. The space battle at the end was a lot more epic than what ME2 had, too. Huge step down for me. Single ship fighting a rock with thrusters? Eh.... No thanks.
I just felt I made bigger decisions in ME1, even though they barely had any impact on ME2. Another thing that sorta mars the sequel for me. Bioware promised dramatic consequences... Wow... An email? No ****, that's dramatic... Anyway, sparing the Racchni, saving the council, getting Wrex to see reason, all those are moments I still remember. What do I remember in ME2? A bunch of stuff blowing up. A few of the more compelling loyalty quests, but that's pretty much it. Usually we were facing faceless goons there.
One thing you (the OP) is seriously overlooking is the effect of playing ME1 first. If you're a long time fan of ME1, the mistakes in ME2 are all the more glaring. You will notice how the transition from ME1 to ME2 is just horrible in some places (Liara is the best example of this, but there's more). That's one of the things that irks me about ME2, a lot. If it was a stand alone game I'd like it better, but as a sequel it fails in many ways. At least it does to me. I wouldn't like "Empire Strikes Back" if they had essentially removed Han Solo and Darth Vader from the movies and given both of them a desk job, either.
I'm not saying ME2 is bad. I don't think a lot of the people criticising the game actually say that. It's just that it could have been so much better. In so many places the game is dumbed down and streamlined that I barely see a reason for me being there anymore. I always have a very, very clear idea of where I am supposed to go, I barely make any decisions at all, I just do as the Illusive Man tells me because that's my only option. In ME1 I'm following leads, sure, games will always be limited in what you can do but there's such a thing as streamlining it too much. In ME2 there's no reason to go exploring because I cannot possibly find anything at all. Items are all but removed and if I never change my armour at all I will not notice much of a difference.
For me, that really diminishes replay value. I own everything bioware ever published and I didn't even feel inclined to finish ME2 a second time. All the other games have been beaten repeatedly. Because I always felt there was something else to find, something I might have missed. I do not get that from ME2, at all. The railroad tracks were so obvious that I couldn't possibly have missed something. And I don't enjoy the shooter gameplay enough to play it again just for the bragging rights to having devastated insanity. Personally I've played better shooters as far as that aspect is concerned. I've always played Bioware games for the story and stuff like that, but ME2 is really shallow in that respect. There is no plot twist that makes me want to replay the game to see if there were clues that I missed. (KOTOR)
ME1 had several twists or revelations that really added to the quests for me. ME2 is more straightlined than most action movies. I do enjoy action movies, but I don't get a Bioware game for the action. Quite frankly, other companies do action better than you guys. Sorry. What you do (did?) well is story. Focus on that. Thanks.
Overall ME1 had a lot more engaging moments for me as well. There was just more to the story. The space battle at the end was a lot more epic than what ME2 had, too. Huge step down for me. Single ship fighting a rock with thrusters? Eh.... No thanks.
I just felt I made bigger decisions in ME1, even though they barely had any impact on ME2. Another thing that sorta mars the sequel for me. Bioware promised dramatic consequences... Wow... An email? No ****, that's dramatic... Anyway, sparing the Racchni, saving the council, getting Wrex to see reason, all those are moments I still remember. What do I remember in ME2? A bunch of stuff blowing up. A few of the more compelling loyalty quests, but that's pretty much it. Usually we were facing faceless goons there.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 07:26
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Nightfish103 wrote...
...That's one of the things that irks me about ME2, a lot. If it was a stand alone game I'd like it better, but as a sequel it fails in many ways...
You bring a good point. As a game, ME2 is superior and thats the reason why I play ME2 about constantly where ME1 is barely touced. But as a sequel it fails in quite many places.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 07:26
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I agree with the above poster that ME1 had a lot of memorable moments and decisions. Everyone remembers whether they decided to execute Shiala or let her live, or the Rachni Queen. Everyone remembers whether they saved Kaiden or Ashley, and why. Even smaller decisions, such as how to deal with Samesh Bhatia and his wife's body, were laden with emotion. You were drawn in, and you wanted to play over and over to see how the scenes played out when different decisions were made.
In contrast, what will decisions from ME2 will you remember two years from now? Whether you sent Tali or Legion into the maintenance ducts? Whether you pushed the drug-addled volus over on the way into whatever battle that was he was in? And while it's true that the combat system in ME2 is better, the combat itself isn't. Kill the mercs in this area. Proceed. Kill the mercs in the next area. Proceed. Repeat until you see the mission report screen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying ME2, I'm playing all the options there are, and I look forward to starting my insanity playthrough. But it is a hollow experience compared to ME1.
One thing I do think ME2 does so much better than ME1, and haven't seen mentioned yet, is the economy. In ME1, by the time you're halfway through, you have more credits, weapons, upgrades, and omni-gel than you'll ever need. You have to keep unlocking canisters to get XP, but then you end up with all this crud you don't want and don't need. This is the main thing that inhibits my enjoyment of playing ME1 - not the Mako, not the combat. It's the economy, stupid. It's so much better in ME2 - you need every credit you earn, and picking up a weapon or an upgrade on the field is a nice, much-needed bonus.
In contrast, what will decisions from ME2 will you remember two years from now? Whether you sent Tali or Legion into the maintenance ducts? Whether you pushed the drug-addled volus over on the way into whatever battle that was he was in? And while it's true that the combat system in ME2 is better, the combat itself isn't. Kill the mercs in this area. Proceed. Kill the mercs in the next area. Proceed. Repeat until you see the mission report screen.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying ME2, I'm playing all the options there are, and I look forward to starting my insanity playthrough. But it is a hollow experience compared to ME1.
One thing I do think ME2 does so much better than ME1, and haven't seen mentioned yet, is the economy. In ME1, by the time you're halfway through, you have more credits, weapons, upgrades, and omni-gel than you'll ever need. You have to keep unlocking canisters to get XP, but then you end up with all this crud you don't want and don't need. This is the main thing that inhibits my enjoyment of playing ME1 - not the Mako, not the combat. It's the economy, stupid. It's so much better in ME2 - you need every credit you earn, and picking up a weapon or an upgrade on the field is a nice, much-needed bonus.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 08:04
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Yeah, after awhile I didn't even sift through what I wanted to keep at the vendors. I'd hit my 150 item limit and sell everything, then fill it up again an hour later and repeat. Once you got the right mods you never needed anything at all. I think I might have spent a few credits around level 10-12 and that was it.
The only other thing that seriously bugged me was how leveling felt like it went in reverse. That is, the higher I went, the easier it got. Maybe that's just a result of too much time playing MMOs but I think I got like... six levels on Feros alone. o_O
Kinda felt pointless after awhile.
The only other thing that seriously bugged me was how leveling felt like it went in reverse. That is, the higher I went, the easier it got. Maybe that's just a result of too much time playing MMOs but I think I got like... six levels on Feros alone. o_O
Kinda felt pointless after awhile.
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Posté 03 mai 2010 - 08:33
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tonnactus wrote...
More personality then a tank krogan.More personality then a former rich girl that had daddy issues.I dont even compare him with jacob...iharal5 wrot
- Kaidan has no personality.
Kaidan had a interesting story with a turian and his biotic training.Did you ever got so far in dialogs with him???
It sometimes feels like I , and some of the actual fans of ME1 actually listen to the dialog. The Opening post oblivious never talked to the characters. General Verunes IS the Turian you are talking about. I agree with the more personality that Miranda, and Jacob
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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 02:18
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I played first ME1 and after ME2 and honestly, i prefer much more ME2.
While ME1 was an awesome experience, ME2 is, for me, the same experience but with improvements; i noticed this when i re-played ME1 after finished ME2.
The cover system is more easy to use, the impact of the shots on the enemies is better, cryo and flame ammo as powers made the combat more fast, better AI, thermal clips made the combat more strategic, Shepard now runs with normal velocity, dialogues are now more natural, with the characters moving the body while they are talking, better graphics, an expansion in the universe of the game, better sounds, the loyalty mission made the squadmates more interesting and no stops between fights to use that boring inventory.
Maybe i am different, but i don't care. In my eyes ME2 will always be a superior game.
While ME1 was an awesome experience, ME2 is, for me, the same experience but with improvements; i noticed this when i re-played ME1 after finished ME2.
The cover system is more easy to use, the impact of the shots on the enemies is better, cryo and flame ammo as powers made the combat more fast, better AI, thermal clips made the combat more strategic, Shepard now runs with normal velocity, dialogues are now more natural, with the characters moving the body while they are talking, better graphics, an expansion in the universe of the game, better sounds, the loyalty mission made the squadmates more interesting and no stops between fights to use that boring inventory.
Maybe i am different, but i don't care. In my eyes ME2 will always be a superior game.
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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 02:28
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ME2 has better gameplay. Hands down.
Still, ME1 was pure epic.
I can't think of an ME2 moment that came anywhere near the self-aware cheesy awesomeness that were the Spectre Induction, Shep's speech on the Normandy (either long version) and Kirrahe's speech on Virmire.
Also, Feros/Noveria/Virmire >>>>>> Horizon/Derelict/IFF
It's not even funny by how much.
Still, ME1 was pure epic.
I can't think of an ME2 moment that came anywhere near the self-aware cheesy awesomeness that were the Spectre Induction, Shep's speech on the Normandy (either long version) and Kirrahe's speech on Virmire.
Also, Feros/Noveria/Virmire >>>>>> Horizon/Derelict/IFF
It's not even funny by how much.
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Posté 04 mai 2010 - 03:30
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I agree with absolutely everything you said. Except the fact that Mass Effect 1 is over-rated. It was a great game and deserved every amount of praise it got, it's just that Mass Effect 2 is better in all aspects but the story - just as it is supposed to be (or at least expected to be).
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 03:09
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Thank god I am not the only one. I thought I was going crazy. I have had ME1 for 3 months and I have hardly played it because I am so frustrated with the game. Apart from all the bugs like stuttering (which I eventually fixed), the game is seriously average. Be honest with yourselves. I know it's two years old, but come on... The Witcher came out in 2007 and Mass Effect is no where near as immersive, believable and engaging. It's just a hard-to-control buggy space shoot-em up with average graphics. The character level up is annoying simplistic, the graphics on my 46" plasma screen at max detail 1920x1080 are just miles of boring jagged texture maps, there is very little in the game area to interact with, the controls are truly horrible horrible horrible because you effectively need three hands and must constantly pause to use biotics or your stupid team, and the gameplay consists of endless travelling around clicking on people. The whole game is so stop-start and requires amazing patience to play. I can only play for 1 hour before I start yelling at the screen. Compared to the cinematic sophisticated combat tactics, character-levelling and environment of Dragon Age it looks like something Bioware made in their lunch break. And once again, don't tell me it is an old game. Oblivion and The Witcher blow it away.
I am thinking of jacking it in, and going straight to ME2. I will hope for better graphics, more fluid combat, less pausing gameplay, and less running around endlessly clicking through dialogue in the desperate search for something to do! Shall I bother?
I am thinking of jacking it in, and going straight to ME2. I will hope for better graphics, more fluid combat, less pausing gameplay, and less running around endlessly clicking through dialogue in the desperate search for something to do! Shall I bother?
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 03:11
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I find myself playing ME more because 2 just feels like a step down. Less RPG, more linear, more of a shooter.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:21
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I need to be smacked as I''ve not yet bothered to try ME 1 though I'm in love with ME 2 of course.
I had heard that the mechanics in ME 1 particularly the inventory management got tiresome. Plus, the complaints about the combat mechanics in ME 1 make me not even want to bother though I really should.
I can't call my self a true Mass Effect nerd unless I play 1 right?
I had heard that the mechanics in ME 1 particularly the inventory management got tiresome. Plus, the complaints about the combat mechanics in ME 1 make me not even want to bother though I really should.
I can't call my self a true Mass Effect nerd unless I play 1 right?
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:27
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If you are one of those that care about the story, then i'd suggest playing through ME at least once.
If all you care about is shooting stuff, then i'd say skip ME.
If all you care about is shooting stuff, then i'd say skip ME.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 04:43
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I have avoided to read your spoilers cause i just bought it for cheaps, but read the control quirks. I also find that controlling the squadmates is more like babysitting. While you are not really controlling them but you control Shepard at the time afterall. This is pretty weird. I have just let them walk to a position here and there and not touched other stuff yet.
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Posté 28 mai 2010 - 06:51
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Jestina wrote...
If you are one of those that care about the story, then i'd suggest playing through ME at least once.
If all you care about is shooting stuff, then i'd say skip ME.
It's like 10 bucks now and I can download it. I have no more excuses really. *hangs head in shame*
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 06:55
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CherryColaLola wrote...
I need to be smacked as I''ve not yet bothered to try ME 1 though I'm in love with ME 2 of course.
I had heard that the mechanics in ME 1 particularly the inventory management got tiresome. Plus, the complaints about the combat mechanics in ME 1 make me not even want to bother though I really should.
I can't call my self a true Mass Effect nerd unless I play 1 right?
ME 1 is a good game, your best bet is to just not worry to much about the combat mechanics and just relax and enjoy it for what is, not in comparision to ME 2.
The thing about inventory management makes me laugh. Before the game came out there were multiple, sometimes rather heated discussions, about how list inventories were the ruination of rpg's (We wants our inventory tetris ala Neverwinter.)
So my best advice would be to put aside preconceptions of how it should be based on ME 2. Just relax and play the game. Enjoy the story. Enjoy learning about the galaxy and the people there in.
I guess what I'm really saying is that ME 1 mechanics are functional enough to get the job done, and they back up a really great story.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 08:56
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znmex3r wrote...
I am thinking of jacking it in, and going straight to ME2. I will hope for better graphics, more fluid combat, less pausing gameplay, and less running around endlessly clicking through dialogue in the desperate search for something to do! Shall I bother?
Less story and more shooting? Gears of War is that way.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 03:25
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Yeah, pretty much so. People should just play the damm games and not whine every small details.The Grey Ranger wrote...
CherryColaLola wrote...
I need to be smacked as I''ve not yet bothered to try ME 1 though I'm in love with ME 2 of course.
I had heard that the mechanics in ME 1 particularly the inventory management got tiresome. Plus, the complaints about the combat mechanics in ME 1 make me not even want to bother though I really should.
I can't call my self a true Mass Effect nerd unless I play 1 right?
ME 1 is a good game, your best bet is to just not worry to much about the combat mechanics and just relax and enjoy it for what is, not in comparision to ME 2.
The thing about inventory management makes me laugh. Before the game came out there were multiple, sometimes rather heated discussions, about how list inventories were the ruination of rpg's (We wants our inventory tetris ala Neverwinter.)
So my best advice would be to put aside preconceptions of how it should be based on ME 2. Just relax and play the game. Enjoy the story. Enjoy learning about the galaxy and the people there in.
I guess what I'm really saying is that ME 1 mechanics are functional enough to get the job done, and they back up a really great story.
Mass Effects are cinematic story telling action 3rd person shooter roleplaying games and the main weight is on cinematic story telling.
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Posté 29 mai 2010 - 03:40
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To be honest, after playing ME2, I decided to play ME1 and somehow I got more connected to the story in ME1 than ME2 due to it's epic moments (e.g Conversation with Sovereign)
That doesn't mean ME2 is a bad game, it's a good game. I just felt something was missing after playing ME1
That doesn't mean ME2 is a bad game, it's a good game. I just felt something was missing after playing ME1
