Marka Ragnos:
Marka Ragnos was a half-breed Dark Lord of the Sith who was immensely powerful, both physically and in the Force. He defeated Simus in combat, proving himself worthy of the mantle of Dark Lord.
Feared, obeyed, and admired among the Sith, he was considered to have been the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith of his age. The details of his century-long reign are few, although his death marked the end of the golden age of the Sith Empire, despite his reluctance to continue expansion
About one millennium after his death, Ragnos's spirit was summoned from the grave using a pair of Sith talismans and crowned Exar Kun as the new Dark Lord, and Ulic Qel-Droma as Kun's apprentice, all in an attempt to restore the lost empire of a thousand years prior. The Great Sith War devastated the galaxy once again, but the Sith Empire was not restored.
Marka Ragnos didn't always wield a lightsaber, the common weapon of the Sith Lords and the Jedi Knights. He wielded a Sith sword, consisting of a metal blade enhanced by Sith sorcery, a weapon of the primitive Sith race. He could hide the sword inside his scepter, but his lightsaber was red. It is possible only he knew of its hiding place, as Axmis did not draw it until she was possessed, despite its power. He also owned a pair of dark gauntlets which increased skill with a melee weapon or lightsaber.
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Naga Sadow
Naga Sadow lived circa 5,000 BBY, 20,000 years after the formation of the Old Republic. Sadow was descended from the Dark Jedi who had fled the Republic after the Hundred-Year Darkness, with only minimal Sith blood to dilute his Human lineage.
As Sadow grew, he was trained by the Sith Lord Simus, one-time rival of Marka Ragnos. Sadow would develop his own rivalry with fellow Sith Lord Ludo Kressh, leading to severe confrontations between the two several times. After the death of Marka Ragnos, the two Sith Lords emerged as favorites to succeed him as Dark Lord. During the funeral of Ragnos on Korriban, Sadow and Kressh engaged in a duel of Sith swords, after a disagreement as to who would better serve the Empire as Dark Lord. They were interrupted by the spirit of Marka Ragnos, who told of a great past and an uncertain future for the Sith Empire, encouraging the Sith to band together.
Naga Sadow believed that beings who were not of Sith blood were nonetheless capable of participating in the furtherance of the dark side and of the Sith Empire. Ambitious and ruthless, Sadow would stop at nothing to achieve his goal of becoming Dark Lord of the Sith and pursuing the expansion he felt necessary for the Empire's survival. His willingness to kill his own mentor, Simus, in the process demonstrated the lengths to which he would go.
Naga Sadow was an accomplished Sith sorcerer. He chose to delve into forbidden Sith teachings, and augment his dark side power with long-forgotten Sith traditions. One of Sadow's greatest strengths was his ability to create illusions. From his meditation sphere Sadow could focus his abilities to generate illusions of large Sith forces on remote worlds. These phantom forces were able to even cause damage to Republic troops. Furthermore, even several Jedi Masters present at Coruscant could not recognise the illusions for what they were. If it was not for the intervention of Gav Daragon, this may have been enough to deliver victory for the otherwise outnumbered Sith forces.
Sadow also demonstrated an ability to manipulate solar activity through the Force, giving him the power to destroy stars and twice using this to escape from Republic forces.
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Ajunta Pall
Ajunta Pall was a disciple of the Jedi Order who converted to the dark side and battled his former brethren during the century-long war known as the Hundred-Year Darkness. Like many prominent Dark Jedi of the time period, he was a master of the art of Sith Alchemy. He slew more than a dozen Jedi during the final battle of the war, but he and his fellow Dark Jedi were defeated nonetheless. The Jedi stripped them of their weapons and exiled them from the Republic.
When, through luck or fate, the Exiles subsequently arrived on the remote planet Korriban, Ajunta Pall was their leader. By the time of the arrival on Ziost, he had a lightsaber. Later his successors were either unable or unwilling to recreate lightsaber technology.
He and his followers defeated and subjugated the native Sith species, and his new Sith subjects granted him the title of 'Jen'ari,' meaning 'Dark Lord' of the Sith. The Exiles, under Ajunta Pall, founded the Sith Empire, and they paved the way for a Golden Age of the Sith.
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Exar-Kun is pretty influential in the later book's where Luke start's his own jedi academy ....
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Personally I'd have to say.. Darth Revan and Jolee. But my opinion is biased, and not very well educated.(I don't know much about the Star Wars universe really, other than Kotor. But in terms of sheer awesomeness.. Revan and Jolee take the cake.)
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Freedon Nadd story is a long one.
Exar Kun:
Exar Kun was a rash and talented youth; qualities that resulted in considerable arrogance, a dangerous trait for a Jedi. During his training, he frequently dueled with and defeated his fellow Padawans, Sylvar and Crado, with barely controlled rage. The temptations of power overwhelmed Kun when he briefly viewed his Master's holocron.
Kun followed his curiosity and traveled to the war-torn planet of Onderon. There, he learned of a tomb captured by the Jedi at the end of the Naddist Uprising that housed the remains of an ancient Sith Lord, Freedon Nadd. The Jedi had sealed it shut with Mandalorian iron and secreted it in a remote section of the moon Dxun. However these barriers were insufficient to stop the young Jedi. Kun made his way to the dark glade.
Before fully embracing the dark side, Exar Kun was directed to the jungle moon of Yavin 4, one of the few remaining Sith outposts; even after Freedon Nadd ransacked the treasures deposited there by Naga Sadow, there was much to attract Kun. There he encountered the primitive remnants of the experiment of Sadow, the fearsome Massassi race. Denying the powers of the light, but at the same time refusing to entirely accept the dark side, Kun was easily captured by these natives. As Kun, on the verge of death, was being crushed by a giant creature of alchemical origins, Freedon Nadd proceeded to interrupt another of his student's predicaments. In what would be Kun's final moments before being totally corrupted by the dark side, Nadd instructed his pupil that his only escape was to once again tap into the darkness within him. Taking in hand the Sith amulet being displayed at the Massassi sacrifice, Kun embraced its dark nature with absolute conviction.
Though considered to be the best student ever trained by Master Vodo-Siosk Baas, Exar Kun believed himself to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy—be it in lightsaber skill, Force ability, or otherwise. Kun was a master of Form VI: Niman and was also skilled in Jar'Kai. Kun was the creator of the double-bladed lightsaber or saberstaff managing to defeat and kill master Baas with it.
Early as an apprentice, Kun was able to repeatedly defeat fellow students Crado and Sylvar in practice duels, before being bested by Master Baas during the same training exercise. However, when Kun raised the stakes of combat against Baas by dueling him again, this time with two lightsabers, he quickly defeated his Master, and reveled in his victory. Exar Kun's unsatiable hunger for the power of the dark side eventually brought him into contact with another who had chosen the dark path—Ulic Qel-Droma, who was widely recognized by the Jedi Order as the greatest among them. As Kun—who believed himself to be the greatest swordsman alive—dueled Qel-Droma, he was surprised to learn that another had as much skill as he with a lightsaber.
"Exar Kun, because of you, the Sith will never die. You have earned the right to bear the mark of Dark Lord of the Sith."
―Marka Ragnos, appointing Exar Kun as Dark Lord —
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Darth Plagueis:
"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"
―Palpatine
Sidious learned from Plagueis over the course of decades, during which Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew to prevent the power he had amassed from being lost forever. During Sidious' training, Plagueis gave his apprentice access to his Sith holocrons. Plagueis' lessons involved forcing Sidious to face his fears, denying him pleasures, and taking from him the things he loved. He taught Sidious that emotions such as envy and hatred, though necessary to master the dark side, were simply means to the end of casting aside usual notions of morality for a greater goal. Plagueis also lectured his apprentice on the means of taking power, with the eventual goal of control over the galaxy.
Plagueis, who had discovered a way to prevent death with the Force, intended to explore an extreme application of his power—the ability to create life from nothing, using the Force to directly manipulate the midi-chlorians found in a living being's blood. When the Dark Lord revealed his plans for this experiment to Sidious, Sidious grew concerned. When Plagueis then stated that a being created in this manner would be the living embodiment of the Force, Sidious realized that his master intended to create his replacement, and decided to kill Plagueis before that happened.[5] Plagueis never suspected his impending death.Shortly after, at some point between 52 BBY and 46 BBY, Sidious murdered Darth Plagueis as he slept.
Plagueis' experiments in creating life may have succeeded. It was speculated that Plagueis initiated his plans before dying, and according to the Sith Lords, it was Plagueis who influenced the midi-chlorians to conceive Anakin Skywalker. Though Plagueis purportedly taught Palpatine all he knew, Palpatine himself was unable to use Plagueis' teachings to cheat death through the Force, and was forced to rely on clone bodies to hold his spirit instead.
Freedon Nadd story is a long one.
Exar Kun:
Exar Kun was a rash and talented youth; qualities that resulted in considerable arrogance, a dangerous trait for a Jedi. During his training, he frequently dueled with and defeated his fellow Padawans, Sylvar and Crado, with barely controlled rage. The temptations of power overwhelmed Kun when he briefly viewed his Master's holocron.
Kun followed his curiosity and traveled to the war-torn planet of Onderon. There, he learned of a tomb captured by the Jedi at the end of the Naddist Uprising that housed the remains of an ancient Sith Lord, Freedon Nadd. The Jedi had sealed it shut with Mandalorian iron and secreted it in a remote section of the moon Dxun. However these barriers were insufficient to stop the young Jedi. Kun made his way to the dark glade.
Before fully embracing the dark side, Exar Kun was directed to the jungle moon of Yavin 4, one of the few remaining Sith outposts; even after Freedon Nadd ransacked the treasures deposited there by Naga Sadow, there was much to attract Kun. There he encountered the primitive remnants of the experiment of Sadow, the fearsome Massassi race. Denying the powers of the light, but at the same time refusing to entirely accept the dark side, Kun was easily captured by these natives. As Kun, on the verge of death, was being crushed by a giant creature of alchemical origins, Freedon Nadd proceeded to interrupt another of his student's predicaments. In what would be Kun's final moments before being totally corrupted by the dark side, Nadd instructed his pupil that his only escape was to once again tap into the darkness within him. Taking in hand the Sith amulet being displayed at the Massassi sacrifice, Kun embraced its dark nature with absolute conviction.
Though considered to be the best student ever trained by Master Vodo-Siosk Baas, Exar Kun believed himself to be the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy—be it in lightsaber skill, Force ability, or otherwise. Kun was a master of Form VI: Niman and was also skilled in Jar'Kai. Kun was the creator of the double-bladed lightsaber or saberstaff managing to defeat and kill master Baas with it.
Early as an apprentice, Kun was able to repeatedly defeat fellow students Crado and Sylvar in practice duels, before being bested by Master Baas during the same training exercise. However, when Kun raised the stakes of combat against Baas by dueling him again, this time with two lightsabers, he quickly defeated his Master, and reveled in his victory. Exar Kun's unsatiable hunger for the power of the dark side eventually brought him into contact with another who had chosen the dark path—Ulic Qel-Droma, who was widely recognized by the Jedi Order as the greatest among them. As Kun—who believed himself to be the greatest swordsman alive—dueled Qel-Droma, he was surprised to learn that another had as much skill as he with a lightsaber.
"Exar Kun, because of you, the Sith will never die. You have earned the right to bear the mark of Dark Lord of the Sith."
―Marka Ragnos, appointing Exar Kun as Dark Lord —
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Darth Plagueis:
"Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"
―Palpatine
Sidious learned from Plagueis over the course of decades, during which Plagueis taught his apprentice everything he knew to prevent the power he had amassed from being lost forever. During Sidious' training, Plagueis gave his apprentice access to his Sith holocrons. Plagueis' lessons involved forcing Sidious to face his fears, denying him pleasures, and taking from him the things he loved. He taught Sidious that emotions such as envy and hatred, though necessary to master the dark side, were simply means to the end of casting aside usual notions of morality for a greater goal. Plagueis also lectured his apprentice on the means of taking power, with the eventual goal of control over the galaxy.
Plagueis, who had discovered a way to prevent death with the Force, intended to explore an extreme application of his power—the ability to create life from nothing, using the Force to directly manipulate the midi-chlorians found in a living being's blood. When the Dark Lord revealed his plans for this experiment to Sidious, Sidious grew concerned. When Plagueis then stated that a being created in this manner would be the living embodiment of the Force, Sidious realized that his master intended to create his replacement, and decided to kill Plagueis before that happened.[5] Plagueis never suspected his impending death.Shortly after, at some point between 52 BBY and 46 BBY, Sidious murdered Darth Plagueis as he slept.
Plagueis' experiments in creating life may have succeeded. It was speculated that Plagueis initiated his plans before dying, and according to the Sith Lords, it was Plagueis who influenced the midi-chlorians to conceive Anakin Skywalker. Though Plagueis purportedly taught Palpatine all he knew, Palpatine himself was unable to use Plagueis' teachings to cheat death through the Force, and was forced to rely on clone bodies to hold his spirit instead.
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The most powerful force user? The Exile from KOTOR2. Force echo and subsequently, the death of everything the force touches, is an unrivaled power.
The most influential? Kreia's influence was indirect, by design. Kreia would never be a famous Sith Lord because she intentionally manipulated those around her to do her bidding. Keep in mind Kreia was a master to Revan, Nihilus, Sion and the Exile. Kreia beats the tar out of Yoda :x
The most influential? Kreia's influence was indirect, by design. Kreia would never be a famous Sith Lord because she intentionally manipulated those around her to do her bidding. Keep in mind Kreia was a master to Revan, Nihilus, Sion and the Exile. Kreia beats the tar out of Yoda :x
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Kreia and Sidious are the most Tempter Siths ... though most of the dark lords ways was the Temptation of Power.
Obi wan Kenobi is the savior of the Jedi Thought during the reign of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader ... he watched Luke to reach the age and shows him the ways of the Jedi. he was Anakins master too, but the real mistake was of Qui Gon and the Jedi Council ... and he tried his best to save Anakin from the Lures of the Darkside.
as in Darth Plagueis Biography says it was the direct Intervention (creating Midi-Colorin) of Plagueis on Anakin and it had been the Plan of the Siths to rule the Empire.
there were many sith lords like Sion and Nihilus with extra ordinary abilities and powers; but Exile was an Echo, a Vacuum, and Emptiness.
as Nihilus was the emptiness itself, Darth Treia was the Nihilist of the Siths ...
Obi wan Kenobi is the savior of the Jedi Thought during the reign of Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader ... he watched Luke to reach the age and shows him the ways of the Jedi. he was Anakins master too, but the real mistake was of Qui Gon and the Jedi Council ... and he tried his best to save Anakin from the Lures of the Darkside.
as in Darth Plagueis Biography says it was the direct Intervention (creating Midi-Colorin) of Plagueis on Anakin and it had been the Plan of the Siths to rule the Empire.
there were many sith lords like Sion and Nihilus with extra ordinary abilities and powers; but Exile was an Echo, a Vacuum, and Emptiness.
as Nihilus was the emptiness itself, Darth Treia was the Nihilist of the Siths ...
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Count Dooku was a pawn nothing more. I'm not sure he deserves a spot on this listAdriano87 wrote...
It's the list of Famous Siths, what do you think is the Most Influential on Galactic History ?
Darth MalakDarth Revan Darth Vader
Emperor Palpatine / Darth Sidious
Count Dooku / Darth Tyranus
Darth Plagueis
Darth Maul
Darth Treia
Darth Nihilus
Darth Sion
Jerec
Exar Kun
Desann
Tavion
Naga Sadow
Ajunta Pal
Marka Ragnos
Ulic Qel-Droma
Freedon Nadd
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Also for Discussing about Jedis :
Obi Wan Kenobi
Qui-Gon Jinn
Anakin Skywalker
Mace Windu
Yoda
Ki-Adi-Mundi
Kyle Katarn
Luke Skywalker
Juhani
Bastila Shan
Atris
Jolee Bindo
Dorak
Vrook
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for the polling - first new page of my polls : social.bioware.com/1471476/polls
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BTW whos getting the MMO when it comes out?
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@atheelogos ... I won't. I like RPG, because it focuses on playthrough, story and fighting ... but the MMOs haven't these advantages. also monthly paying is so expensive. I can buy a game 40$ and playing it for 2 years ... but for two year of playing a MMO game you need 250$ .
BTW Dooku cut the Anakins hand, Injured Obi Wan and kept Yoda busy for his flee.
BTW Dooku cut the Anakins hand, Injured Obi Wan and kept Yoda busy for his flee.
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I don't play MMOs for the reasons you listed, but the old republic just looks so good that I cant resist! lol I need to know what happened to the Exile and Revan. And I want to know how this war will play out, so I'm willing to give it a try.Adriano87 wrote...
@atheelogos ... I won't. I like RPG, because it focuses on playthrough, story and fighting ... but the MMOs haven't these advantages. also monthly paying is so expensive. I can buy a game 40$ and playing it for 2 years ... but for two year of playing a MMO game you need 250$ .
BTW Dooku cut the Anakins hand, Injured Obi Wan and kept Yoda busy for his flee.
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Both of them certainly are dead and there is a new order ( after 200 or 300 years )
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I do not possess an encyclopedic knowledge of Star Wars lore, so based on what I do know I'm going with Palpatine. I thought long and hard about voting Exar Kun. I love that story arc. I just can't imagine any of these other characters having as much influence on the galaxy as a whole compared to Palpatine. Darth Bane made huge changes to how Sith operate and some of the above mentioned lords were very powerful, but I don't think they affected history as much on a galatic scale. If anyone tops Palpatine it's probably whichever Sith lord led the first dark side Jedi away from the settled galaxy and encoutered the True Sith. I know very few details from that story though.
On the Jedi side it has to be Luke Skywalker. I'm a big fan of Juhani but I can't in good conscience vote for her.
On the Jedi side it has to be Luke Skywalker. I'm a big fan of Juhani but I can't in good conscience vote for her.
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Yesss... 
~Sniff!~ Suddenly feeling nostalgic. Her and Jolee were like, the only Jedi characters I liked in that entire game.
~Sniff!~ Suddenly feeling nostalgic. Her and Jolee were like, the only Jedi characters I liked in that entire game.
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Luke is the most powerful Force-user to have ever lived. Lucas said so himself. It's also official that Palpatine was the most powerful, though some people like to debate about that. The problem when it comes to pinpointing who was the most influential(most powerful doesn't exactly mean influential) is that there were many Force-users that were influential. If people debated about this, we'd just be going on in circles.
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The strongest Jedi ever is probably Luke Skywalker.
In terms of control Luke might be up there, but both Kyp Durron and Anakin Solo had more raw force potential.Capt. Obvious wrote...
He did what Anakin couldn't. That deserves some real points. And considering how powerful he was in the EU taking place after the end of ROTJ, it certainly makes sense.
Did what? Kill Palpatine?
He brought balance to the Force. OK, sure, it was technically Anakin that through Palpatine in the real core but Luke didn't resort to raw power. Instead, he gave Vader a chance to redeem himself. If it weren't for that, they Battle of Endor may have been lost. While many Jedi and Sith had their strengths and weaknesses Luke had an aptitude in every aspect of the Force. No doubt considering his progress the Force, one could say that Luke had the best connection to the Force. I will say however, that Anakin could have been stronger than even Luke if he hadn't been doing some stupid things. And while I would like to go a bit further in this, I will say that Lucas himself said that Luke was the most powerful Force user to exist. It may not mean that he'll always be the strongest but in the novels it was implied that he completely mastered the Light Side of the Force.
If I remember correctly, in one battle Luke enveloped himself completely in the Force and one of the most powerful Jedi on the order couldn't even SEE him move as he cut through an entire army. If that's not good enough for you, just remember what Lucas said.
As to saying who had the most influence? Well, that is something that could be argued about forever. Vader was influential. Sidious was influential. Bane was influential. Yoda was influential. They were all influential to some degree.
Oh, I didn't mean that I think Kyp or Anakin could actually win if they fought Luke, I know that Luke's greater control and understanding of the Force makes him a more dangerous oponent. I just meant that Kyp and Anakin have a larger Force reservoir that they could call on than Luke. Kyp could create a stronger force push, but Luke could direct it better and make it more damaging.
As far as what Lucas says, I don't give a sh*t. After creating the original trilogy, the only thing he's ever done for Star Wars is make it a joke. I know a lot of people may disagree with me, but what Lucas says isn't the ultimate source for canon. Hearing some of the stuff he said in the dvd special features for Episodes I - III --- I've never hated someone quite that much before.
It really doesn't matter how much people hate him because his word overrides any argument in this case. Even C Canon supports this. I'm not saying that I'm a big fan of the director but at this point, Luke will probably remain the most powerful. Like I said, I don't think he'll always remain the most powerful. Despite what people may say about Star Wars, it has been going strong(even if that includes the Prequel Trilogy). It's still got a long life ahead of it. Many things are bound to change in the next decade for better or for worse.
But like I said, we could go on about who is the most influential(most powerful doesn't mean most influential) and we'd be going around in circles. And I'll admit, there are still my doubts about Luke as well. That's why it's so hard to pinpoint who is the most influential(as well as powerful) force-user ever because you got so many famous ones out there that left their mark on the Star Wars galaxy that it would just give everybody a headache.
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Yesss...
~Sniff!~ Suddenly feeling nostalgic. Her and Jolee were like, the only Jedi characters I liked in that entire game.
Yes they were cool Jedies ... better than the old republic masters ! as Master kenobi is the most popular, I explained a little about him. I like MAster Kae and Zhar too, warm characters.
It's apparant that Anakin was just a tool for Palpatine ... He fooled everyone to found the Galactic Empire ...
and Mace Windu had recognized the suspecion of palpatine and his influence on anakin, but he was not that strong to kill both of them
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Hurting two jedi isn't the same as being Influential. Every single plan he carried out was Palpatine's ideas not his own.Adriano87 wrote...
@atheelogos ... I won't. I like RPG, because it focuses on playthrough, story and fighting ... but the MMOs haven't these advantages. also monthly paying is so expensive. I can buy a game 40$ and playing it for 2 years ... but for two year of playing a MMO game you need 250$ .
BTW Dooku cut the Anakins hand, Injured Obi Wan and kept Yoda busy for his flee.
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Yeah I have to admit Kreia was one badass ****.scyphozoa wrote...
The most powerful force user? The Exile from KOTOR2. Force echo and subsequently, the death of everything the force touches, is an unrivaled power.
The most influential? Kreia's influence was indirect, by design. Kreia would never be a famous Sith Lord because she intentionally manipulated those around her to do her bidding. Keep in mind Kreia was a master to Revan, Nihilus, Sion and the Exile. Kreia beats the tar out of Yoda :x
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Yes they were cool Jedies ... better than the old republic masters ! as Master kenobi is the most popular, I explained a little about him. I like MAster Kae and Zhar too, warm characters.
Master Zhar was okay. My only problem with him is he was complicit in the whole 'let's use Revan as our pawn' plan and I wasn't keen on that aspect of the story. Another KotOR Jedi I forgot before was Yuthura Ban. She had a great redemption plot. I enjoyed it way more than Juhani's introductory arc. It just flowed better. Talking to her again on Dantooine afterwards was one of the most heartwarming scenes I've any game I played.
As for Kreia, she was a great Sith lord and in my opinion one of the best antagonists in any RPG ever. She is a big part of the reason I prefer KotOR II to the original despite its truckload of flaws. It's rare to see such a well thought out, interesting and *cleverly* manipulative character. Usually when I see that type in a game it feels like the plot is bent to accomodate their schemes. Not so with Kreia.
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Even more so with the restored content mod. There's a classic scene where the Exile's followers confront her, and get thoroughly spanked each in turn. And another scene where Sion gets a major reality check.atheelogos wrote...
Yeah I have to admit Kreia was one badass ****.scyphozoa wrote...
The most powerful force user? The Exile from KOTOR2. Force echo and subsequently, the death of everything the force touches, is an unrivaled power.
The most influential? Kreia's influence was indirect, by design. Kreia would never be a famous Sith Lord because she intentionally manipulated those around her to do her bidding. Keep in mind Kreia was a master to Revan, Nihilus, Sion and the Exile. Kreia beats the tar out of Yoda :x
Incomprehensible that this didn't make it in the full game.
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Exar Kun made the double bladed ls
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Capt. Obvious wrote...
It really doesn't matter how much people hate him because his word overrides any argument in this case. Even C Canon supports this. I'm not saying that I'm a big fan of the director but at this point, Luke will probably remain the most powerful. Like I said, I don't think he'll always remain the most powerful.
Yes, I know that as the original creator Lucas should technically be the first source for canon. However, because of my hatred for him, and because there are so many other writers who have provided much more well written and intelligent work in the EU, I personnaly don't consider him as the ultimate source. I know I probably won't convince anyone, but the way I see it, why should Star Wars fans continue to pay attention to someone who clearly cares nothing for the story - he is only concerned with milking as much money from people as possible, and not with telling a story he cares about.
Although, from what I understand, Lucas is fairly involved with the novels that are written (at least for the New Jedi Order series), and they clearly state that both Kyp and Anakin had more force potential that Luke. F***ing idiot that he is, Lucas probably just forgot about them when he said that Luke was the most powerful.
Capt. Obvious wrote...
Despite what people may say about Star Wars, it has been going strong(even if that includes the Prequel Trilogy). It's still got a long life ahead of it. Many things are bound to change in the next decade for better or for worse.
It's still going strong because a.) Lucas is doing a good job of marketing to kids 12 and under, which is a sizable market - the origional fans and anyone over that age are ignored though b.) the diehard fans are just that - very slow to give up on it even if they are being ignored c.) there are still a (very) few writers who still are making good contributions to the EU, like Karpyshyn and Zahn.
The problem is that the people who write these stories/games are being pushed into a smaller and smaller timeline where they are still capable of creating good material, and not have to work around the other crap that's already there. Post-Battle of Endor is no longer any good because of the last few ****ty series (Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi, and arguably The New Jedi Order as well), and of course, the time period around Episodes I - III are so filled with horrible stories it's impossible to produce anything good.
The only time period left is well before Episode I, like KotOR and the Darth Bane series. The highest period of Star Wars lore (from Episode IV to the Yhuzzan Vong invasion) is pretty much over, and I think worse is the only direction the EU can go in. Don't believe me? The Force Unleashed is considered canon.
Capt. Obvious wrote...
But like I said, we could go on about who is the most influential(most powerful doesn't mean most influential) and we'd be going around in circles. And I'll admit, there are still my doubts about Luke as well. That's why it's so hard to pinpoint who is the most influential(as well as powerful) force-user ever because you got so many famous ones out there that left their mark on the Star Wars galaxy that it would just give everybody a headache.
I agree that power =/= influence, and it is very difficult to determine the most influential. The effects that Luke/Palpatine have had on the galaxy happened latest chronologically, so I tend to put more emphasis on them.
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Posté 29 avril 2010 - 07:58
MaaZeus
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Amongst Jedi, in terms of raw force power Anakin Skywalker WAS the strongest. He was sort of force in flesh, (if prequel garbage is to be believed) only his own doubts and fears and lack of proper training held him back. After his mutilation he lost almost all of it and is below Palpatine in terms of power. Luke, I believe, is close second being son of Anakin and all.
About other Jedi, I have no idea. Yoda is incredibly wise but also stuck in the old and too dogmatic ways, seriously limiting the potential of Jedi, banning marriage and therefore making force-potential bloodlines go thinner etc... just because they fear dark side too much, and this was pretty much their downfall too as I see it. Luke found more balanced way, more "grey".
Amongst Jedi, you could say Nihilus was the strongest in terms of raw power but he is an abomination and also weak because he is limited by his hunger. So my vote goes to Palpatine. He is incredibly strong in force, very devious and intelligent manipulator and alone with help of couple of expendable "apprentices" he destroyed the old order of the Jedi. Plus after all this years (ever since I saw RotJ as a kid) his personality and voice still gives me shivers.
About other Jedi, I have no idea. Yoda is incredibly wise but also stuck in the old and too dogmatic ways, seriously limiting the potential of Jedi, banning marriage and therefore making force-potential bloodlines go thinner etc... just because they fear dark side too much, and this was pretty much their downfall too as I see it. Luke found more balanced way, more "grey".
Amongst Jedi, you could say Nihilus was the strongest in terms of raw power but he is an abomination and also weak because he is limited by his hunger. So my vote goes to Palpatine. He is incredibly strong in force, very devious and intelligent manipulator and alone with help of couple of expendable "apprentices" he destroyed the old order of the Jedi. Plus after all this years (ever since I saw RotJ as a kid) his personality and voice still gives me shivers.
Modifié par MaaZeus, 29 avril 2010 - 07:59 .
