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[Scalett Dragonavicious]

I was thinking about it the other day and I realize that the two were definitely made for fans to obsess over, whether in a good way or a bad way.  Alistair and Zevran are the exact opposites. I mean exactly.

Alistair is a Virgin/ Zevran is promiscuous

Alistair is unsure of himself / Zevran is confident in his abilities

Alistair's motivated by his morals/ Zevran's motivated by money.

Alistair has a sense of duty / Zevran is a free-spirit

Alistair's respectful  / Zevran's a shameless flirt

Alistair is shy / Zevran is unabashed.

Alistair is a hopeless romantic/ Zevran is afraid of commitment.

Alistair was raised by nuns (Chantry) / Zevran was raised by prostitutes.

This isn't meant to insult anyone who loves Zevran or loves Alistair. I just think they were designed for fan girlism, because if you didn't like one then you would probably like the other who is an exact opposite.

I personally loved Alistair. I won't go into why. But I never understood the Zevran love.... because I guess I wasn't one of the people he was designed to appeal to. Anyway I just thought it was kind of interesting. Any thoughts?

[BombSight]

Its funny because i always have Alistair and Zevran in my party for just that reason!! lol, just to listen to Alistair squirm, loved it. What i never like is the fact that you have to give up your man to Morrigan, now reguardless of whats going on in my REAL life, i dont want THAT kind of drama in a game that im trying to be as moral as i probably would NEVER be in my real life...ugh. Gets me everytime. I deal with just trying to be bff with her so when it happens, i try to make it feel like shes really doing ME a favor instead of doing my true beloved. (like im not gonna wonder ever time we you know...do it?) lol

[MagicNakor42]

You could say the same thing about Liliana/Morrigan...and their obsessors.

[Cyberfrog81]

My thoughts on this: We retire to your tent and I show you the sort of massage skills one only learns growing up in an Antivan ****house.

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I like both. They're hilarious. But then, I've been informed that I'm not female.

[eucatastrophe]

I happen to like both of them, but I am not female.

Also for a love interest, Alistair appeals to me more than Zev... probably because I am like Zev in many ways. I think we would make better friends than lovers. Or f*ck buddies

[tee_bird]

Alistair appeals to me a lot more the Zevran, and I agree that both were made for fangirls to baaaw over.



Of course, I think Leliana and Morrigan were made for the same reason. Who wants a virtual romance with someone they're not attracted to?

[webbedfeet]

I happen to like both of them as well, but if I have to pick one to kick over a skyscraper to the zombies down below, I'll save Zevran. I'm very sorry, Alistair, he's funnier than you and has more damage per second. This is important because I like seeing numbers pile up on my screen.

More seriously, though : both of them are subversive of their stereotype, and well thought-out. While it does look like good boy vs. bad boy on the surface, they're actually....not quite like that, which is one of my favourite things about DA:O characters. (Take the Leliana and Morrigan example....when you actually think about it, Leliana is the more jaded of the two. Her seeming naivete of the world is exactly because she's jaded and tired.) Alistair is the hopeless romantic, but he is also capable of giving up his love for a greater purpose. I'm not saying this as a detraction---I personally would do the same thing, in his shoes, although I am also not a romantic. Zevran is afraid of commitments, but when he actually does commit (even as a friend), he is almost scarily true. Although I do prefer the loyal as a friend option, if it was IRL----I wouldn't want to be the fulcrum that can either break or make someone's world!

It's also interesting that despite their differences, they also share similarities. Both grew up in a restrictive environment without much choice on their part. Both were trained to kill without question (templar, remember? Not obvious in Alistair's case, but you see hints of it here and there). Both can be hilariously awkward. Both use humor to deflect unwelcome questions. Neither have much sense of self-worth. Neither knows what it's like to really connect with another person.

It's interesting how many similarities they still retain, even with the differences in the philosophy (or lack thereof) of their respective environments, and how they dealt with their issues.

Modifié par webbedfeet, 28 avril 2010 - 02:04 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Lol There both cool although i only take zevran with me if im a dalish or Alienage female elf. Although hes a good friend and alistar i consider more of a brother in the game then anything like i said before i wish if i had him 100+ i could have a option to give him a nuggie or hit him in the arm.

[Scalett Dragonavicious]

@webbedfeet - I agree, the characters a very dynamic and well thought out and thats probably my favorite part of the game too.

I guess I never got the Zevran thing. All of my characters (and I've played through all origins) have been with Alistair because it just doesn't seem like Zevran would be faithful to you. Maybe I'm not giving the Crow credit but his unabashed come-ons make my poor characters uncomfortable

Modifié par Scalett Dragonavicious, 25 mai 2010 - 07:15 .

[Reznik23]

Well, to be truthful, Zevran annoys me a bit.

But I think he'd be waaay better in bed and therefore worth keeping around.

[Wedger]

Zeveran's hands are larger, making him a superior male to small didgit templer boy

[Scalett Dragonavicious]

Eh, my character was a lot like me (Which I'm guessing is true with a lot of people), so I chose the funny guy that would probably be more committed (in the sense of not cheating). Zevrens okay I guess but in real life I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Just my opinion though. I know tons of people, including my friends, who liked Alistair okay but loved Zevren.

[snackrat]

...you can bet Zevran has a lot more diseases too.

[maxernst]

They have one thing in common, however. Neither one of them expects to be loved for their qualities as a person...Zevran has only been valued for his prowess and Alistair has only been valued as a chip in a political game (except by Duncan).

[metalcraze33]

I like both but Alistair is sooo disapproving of the random murder my characters enjoy and he doesn't get the whole whatever it takes idea.

I find Zev's kinkiness endearing and plus he has an accent and a troubled past that makes you want to hug him.

[Marduksdragon]

Despite being funny, Alistair annoys me deeply. His inexperience isn't attractive, it's vexing-- after one sexual encounter he's ready to declare his undying love-- at least until social pressure gets to him. He's judgmental (poor Morrigan) and high-handed. He whines about leading, then steps in and scolds you if you don't do what he wants. He can't take a disagreement well. He's subtly racist (more towards the end) despite his own mother being an elf. He's ready to butcher an unarmed man in front of his own daughter (I like Loghain and most of my PCs understand why he did what he did). He has a weird, unhealthy fantasy fixation on Duncan that includes him being some kind of saintly figure. He's still very much that little boy screaming his head off just to see the monks come running.



Zevran-- while sleazy and a murderer (but I remind you, Duncan was too) is calm and amusing. He's practiced, confident. He doesn't have a problem following orders- even if he disagrees with them- but that doesn't stop him from having his own opinions or thinking the PC is mental. Arguments don't bother him too much so long as you aren't outright rude to him. He doesn't much mind if you like certain party members or dont' like them. He doesn't pontificate or tell you what to do. All he wants is the PC's trust and companionship-- and eventually love. He's lived long enough to understand what all that costs him-- and that's a beautiful thing that transcends even gender and race/species. Zevran has a lot of depth to him that is more rewarding to explore.===



I also agree with Maxernst up there.

[HappyGothicEmo]

yeah, I believe Alistair is cute an all but he lives in his own fantasy world if you do something like free a blood mage even though you OC is one he gets his pantys in a twist. Marduksdragon is wright he does have a Duncan-plex (It must be the beard, who doesn't love thoughts lol) he's way judgmental towards companions that you pick up,(I still wounder how he got over that so they would help him in darkspawn chronicles DLC) the hole Loghain thing is just sad kill the father then flake out when told to deal with the daughter even though she betrayed you as well. The hole undying love thing was a lie just like the cake (poor Sten) So I have to agree fully with Marduksdragon on all accounts, plus his whining OMG! I felt sorry for my OC what had I done to her and ferelden?!?



I lol-ed when I first heard Zevran (I mean hey it's pussinboots as an elf who could ask for more) he's just as funny as Alistair, and yes he's slept with many boozoms and dudes,(can you use boozoms when referring to men?) he may have gotten some stds but they have magic and slave things that could most likely help fix that (Don't ask me about aids and how magic can fix that coz I an't a wizard or magi) and yeah he may be the biggest flirt out of Antiva, but as Marduksdragon put up he has a lot more depth to him. (Zev reminds me of a cat while Alistair is a puppy)



I still think Sten should be watched if he's playing with kittys, eatting stolen cookies, getting woman to nit him a scarf and flirting with Morrigan in a suit of armor Zev and Al will have another rival on there hand besides each other dam they strong silent type.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I like both the guys. I have a strong attraction to Zevrann (I bought a t-shirt from Cafepress to prove it!) but then Alistair ruined myself for me early on because he got mad at me for killing Isolde and I hadn't learned to manipulate them with the feastday gifts at that point so I had to put up with a bad relationship with him throughout that game whereas I had little trouble romancing Zev with the same character. Alistair grew on me with my 2nd character though.



They do have ore similarities than they seem to, I agree, but their differences are what make them special. I'm nore inclined to be attracted to the bad boy so that's probably why I like Zev so much - the accent helps too! - For me I think it's a case of opposites attract and I'm not to much like Zevran.



There is still a place in my heat for Alistair though, hoping I can romance him with my 3rd character. I am still gutted you can't romance Cailan. I really wanted to the first time I played the game, with a charater I sadly had to abandon. Cailan and I have the same fascination with legends...

[Marduksdragon]

See, the bad boyness and accent doesn't figure much into my liking Zevran. If Al had the type of personality Zev has (minus the window dressing like his rampant sexuality, because, hey, Templar) I'd like him better. It has nothing to do with looks or anything else. I don't like relationship drama IRL. It seems like with Al, even not as king, it'd be an endless stream of drama to contain him--- while Zev would prefer a more quiet relationship ultimately, despite whatever bedroom calisthenics he got up to with the PC.



Sten is adorable, no doubt, and I tried every way in the world to romance him but later found out through research that Qunari don't equate sex or romance with love and those that do are tortured until they comply. The kadan title is the deepest respect and the most loving thing he can give the PC--- so it makes that more special.



Speaking of people we wished for--- I wanted to recruit Jowan and tried and tried on my Xbox until I finally realized that it was impossible despite almost having that option. Yes, he is whiny, but he's also very clever, has a sarcastic wit and not judgmental. One of the reasons I bought the game for the PC was so that I could mod him back into the game (that and give Loghain more quests to do). I'm also thrilled that companion mods like Ser Gilmore, Tamlen and Cullen exist. I may be alone but I really do not like Cailan. He's everything that annoys me about Alistair, well everything applicable, jacked up to eleven.

[shatteredstar56]

I liked both of them well enough, but Alister groaning on and on about Duncan eventually got to me. Zevran was cool, he never complained about his old life unless asked, and he pretty much saw it in a good light for the most part. Alister would complain. And complain. It drove me nuts, so I only romanced him in one.



Sten's cool, and he can be funny, but I don't like the strict rituals with honor. Some things you have to learn to let go, or slide.

The only person I really wanted to bring into the group was Cullen, after the Circle Tower. His views on my mage would have been interesting conversation, especially with Morrigan around.

[Marduksdragon]

Sten is changing- even he knows it. All of his conversations (despite being able to easily defeat the PC in wordplay if you try to placate him) and the battle at Haven point to his beliefs evolving to their own conclusions. That's one thing Leliana brought up by commenting on how sweet he really was. Due to his insistence that the qunari act is unpleasant, and that flinched pause when teasing Morrigan, he may have been one of the ones "reeducated" through torture. --- Ultimately, given his own dread of returning home and the consequences, I'm worried what his report to the arashok will be received as. I hope he doesn't get executed for daring to call a non qunari "Kadan".



Oh, I agree about Cullen (well, not that he's the only one, but his views and opinions). I'd have loved to hear him argue with Alistair as well. Splicing dialogue might make that possible with the mod, I'd have to see.

[Mariefoxprice83]

I think most of the characters change through their relationship with the Warden. Definitely Sten, Zevran, Alistair Morrigan. Probably others but those ar ethe ones that spring to mind.

[Pele1]

I think I'm adding my 2 cents much too late, but I really liked what Marduksdragon said about Zevran's character.

A couple additions:

*Alistair: From a psychological perspective, Alistair is in many ways a young boy, rather than a man. I disagree with the characteristic of him as a hopeless romantic; rather, I'd say that his notion of love at this point is still developing. He is unsure of his feelings, but also of what love means or entails. One of the main problems with him as a person is that he is still unsure of what he wants from life, and IRL, a person like that makes a poor romantic partner because they do not have something solid to give you.

Alistair avoids the truth of his birth, he wavers when speaking of how he feels, isn't ready to be king, does not want to lead (though he is the senior Grey Warden), and does not have the ability to compromise when he disagrees with a decision. All these aspects speak to him still learning who he is, both as a person, and a romantic partner. I do understand why there is attraction towards him (the "white knight" appeal), but personally, I think he would make a better romantic partner a few heartbreaks down the road.

*Zevran: Zevran is no knight, but he is a strong man who knows who he is, and honors what he decides - for better or worse. He understands the world and is surprisingly thoughtful about it (Ex. Though he teases Wynne initially about her poking him about his conscience, he eventually makes a rather deep philosophical statement to her that shows he has thought about the subject. It is not that he does not understand what he does, but rather that he sees no glory in spending his time feeling guilty about his past.) Arguments with him are resolved maturely (Ex. He admits he is "being a child" at one point, after he acts rude in a love relationship with the PC), he means what he says (I could give examples here, but I don't want to give any spoilers), and he has learned enough to see beyond a pretty face.

Being with him means that when he says he loves the PC, he loves everything that he/she is, not just the sexual experience, looks, or what he/she represents. Because he is not looking for love, when he says he has fallen in it, he means it. IRL, this would probably be the boyfriend who checks out the cute waitress, but never cheats, and though he may make a few dumb jokes and cheated on a few tests when he was in college, he's the guy who - when he pledges "I do" - means every word.

That's my analysis on the two characters; I don't mean to make anyone feel badly about either character! This is your game, and you should enjoy it! But from a discussion standpoint, wanted to add my thoughts.

Modifié par Pele1, 22 octobre 2013 - 08:40 .