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[fchopin]

KitsuneRommel wrote...


ME1 characters were REALLY shallow compared to ME2. It was like the difference between Twilight and Interview with the Vampire. True, the story in ME1 seemed better but some of that was because the universe was new to us.

For me ME2 is just like a side mission for ME1 with out any substance.
 
It is like taking one of the missions in ME1, for example the Feros project and making a new game. Obviously one mission is not enough for the game so they invented a bunch of team characters to extend the game and make it appear as if it is a real game.
 
They can make another 5 or 6 games like this if they want because it is very easy to create one mission and put a few team characters to extend the game and call it a game.
 
I do agree with you that the ME1 universe was new to us therefore much easier to keep our interest and also the new characters were a little more developed, but I can not consider a one mission game as great writing or well developed.
 
 
Characters and silly character missions for approval do not make good writing, only a thoughtfully developed story with real characters that are meaningful to the plot make good writing.

[marshalleck]

This forum is a cesspit of stupidity, whining, endless meme repetition and "funny" (cough cough) motivational pictures. They don't post here because the social site is crap.

[Jebel Krong]

marshalleck wrote...

This forum is a cesspit of stupidity, whining, endless meme repetition and "funny" (cough cough) motivational pictures. They don't post here because the social site is crap.

this. i would also add negativity to the list.

[MOTpoetryION]

Hey,  this movie empire of the jedi sounds interesting . is it any good?
Marshalleck,  you should get that cough looked at before it turns into double .. um ya checked out.
And what about this twilight with a vampire is this one any good?

Last , Did i miss something i thought ME2 was about  probbing  the universe?  To uncover the destructive  planet  burrowing plans of the evil ore creatures? ??

Modifié par MOTpoetryION, 27 avril 2010 - 01:29 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

MOTpoetryION wrote...

(cant remember the name of band but )
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| content is crap again
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| in a second it bores
| they did'nt know how to wriite it
| couldnt even tell the score
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| But this one little job  , that you do with your hand
| It diddnt take long      , now he could understand
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| new at spinning storys  , with only one way to go
| im now the epic writer    ,as the fan base grows
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| magic with the keyboard   , with lights down low
| every single story                ,will go row by row
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| then she walked in the room  , with a dress cut low
| didnt know how to explain-it    , but it began to grow
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| V game hero   , with words in his eyes
| V game hero   , with words in his eyes
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| Its a one way ticket         ,aint never going to stop
| gotta keep on working   , but cant avoid her see thru top
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| V game hero    ,with stars in his eyes
| V game hero    ,with stars in his eyes
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| got starrrsss iiiin -hiiiis eyesssss
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| da, na, na ,na ,na ,na ,naaa
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just messing around

Did you just rewrite a Foreigner song? 

**** no matter what I cannot escape that band...

[ThePatriot101]

I would like to make a preemptive strike on this thread by stating that any twit who considers the "saving the universe over and over" cliche as a necessity for good writing is a nut who's never taken writing seriously enough to appreciate it.

Modifié par ThePatriot101, 27 avril 2010 - 01:12 .

[SkullandBonesmember]

fchopin wrote...

You don’t really believe that there was any real writing done for ME2 do you?
 
I did not see any sort of what is called real writing done for ME2 myself so have not even bothered to comment on the game.

fchopin wrote...

SSV Enterprise wrote...

*sigh* Sometimes I wonder why haters of ME2 are so bent on getting there minority opinion out.

Ok, watch these two videos:





You cannot honestly tell me the writing in the first video is better than in the second.

Why don’t you edit the whole game to say exactly what you want it to if that makes you feel good?

I prefer the first. Both because of the writing and I hate looking at Cyborg McRedeyes.

ThePatriot101 wrote...

I see these threads and I don't understand why people make a fuss.

Gimme specific examples WHY the writers flopped. And don't give me a clip and say, "Doesn't it sound stupid?" Give me specific aspects and tell me who managed to do it better than the ME writers.

*sighs*

Ratio. There was way too much headshots in ME2 and not enough character interaction. The missions were longer and the amount of dialogue was diminished.

Oh yeah, and when the shooter fans bit**** and moaned, Bioware didn't stop interacting with us on the original boards.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 27 avril 2010 - 09:43 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

So, because a story doesn't go the way you wanted it to, the writers are supposed to in turn cow to your demands? That's pretty damn arrogant.

From one writer to another, I'm looking to BioWare and saying, "Give me YOUR story. I've followed you this far because I've liked what I've read and I want to see where you're going with this."

ME2 was a more insular and isolated story. To say it was more poorly written is rubbish. I tend to brush off those who complain about the story being weaker as, heh, whiners. Mainly because the story itself, as a whole, isn't finished. Let's wait until ME3 and see where they're going with all this before blowing our tops, shall we? Besides, it is well known that the middle part of a trilogy tends to also be the weakest. Don't bother bringing up The Empire Strikes Back; I did say 'tends to be.'

As for the writers themselves, I'd guess that they're off working on their next project rather than lingering on the forums to justify their story decisions to a bunch of featureless names on the Internet?

I agree completely. I think the worst type of fan is one that doesn't put their trust in the writers. Whenever I await a sequel to a book/movie/game (or a story from a writer that I like and has a good track record) I let go of my inner critic and enjoy whatever they put their effort into making.

There are exceptions however, and sometimes i play the armchair writer but most criticisms I levy are pretty objective and reasonable. That's why I do tend to ignore most critiques on stories. They are too subjective. Most Criticisms of ME2 have been subjective so I discard them as whining.

[Kusy]

@OP - they are held prisoners in the depths of BioWare Edmonton HQ cellar, writing storyline for Mass Effect 3. I know, my uncle works as their guard, he even promised that I can feed them if I come to Canada.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 29 avril 2010 - 12:21 .

[akerrpl5]

I am just impressed with all the bioware butt licking from some people. First of all, to criticize a game doens`t mean that one didn't like it. Some people just take the fan thing too serious. Myself, I don't believe I have to "pre-like" a game just because it's bioware. Second, trying to make ME3 better by pointing out the flaws on ME2 is not whining but a shot at ME3 reaching all it's potential.

[crimzontearz]

they are afraid the Liara fans will RIGHTFULLY find them......tie them down and perform a torture of 1000 cuts on them for the way they royally screwed her in ME2

[eternalnightmare13]

They got your 60 bucks.  WTF do they care?

WilliamShatner wrote...



Where are all the ME2 writers?  Some of them posted quite regularly on the old forums and offered a great deal of insight into how the games were developed.

Before the release of ME2 there was a great deal of anxiety from fans about certain paths the story and characters were going and the general message from the writers was “trust us” and “wait for the game.”

Well we waited and to say ME2 has some controversial story and character elements that disappointed many fans would be an understatement.  Three months and a lame comic book series that did nothing to quell any fears later and we still haven’t heard one iota from the writers. 

So why the silence?

[SuperMedbh]

IndianaChrisN7 wrote...
I love both games of course, just don't understand the hate toward ME2 and the devotion to ME1.

I'm in the "love both games" camp, myself.  I loved the free exploratory feeling of ME1, but like the more in depth studies of character in ME2.  That's my opinion, of course.  Still, the massive sales and over the top positive reviews/accolades for both games say that we're hardly alone.

But imagine you were indifferent to ME1.  Odds are, you wouldn't have bought ME2.  If you did (perhaps a friend recommended it), you'd either say "Eh, more of the same" or "Hey, it's better".  Either way, you'd have no complaint.

That leaves one final catagory--  the people who loved ME1, waited with great anticipation for more of the same, and got something different that they didn't like.  These are the folks complaining, as is certainly their consumer right.  They just seem more prominent, because everyone else's expectations were met or exceeded.

Modifié par SuperMedbh, 29 avril 2010 - 01:34 .

[Gavinthelocust]

They figured that we didn't deserve it after the warring fanclans started ****ing over threads and people wanted to know how much the crew can bench press(I will never drop that).

[Arab25]

Geez what's with all the negativity in this thread?



On the off chance that a writer may be reading this (I doubt it and I hope they're not)



Thank you for giving me my favorite game. I love all the work you do and all the detail you put into this universe. You really are something special.

[Masticetobbacco]

marshalleck wrote...

This forum is a cesspit of stupidity, whining, endless meme repetition and "funny" (cough cough) motivational pictures. They don't post here because the social site is crap.

as true as that may be, this site is still the centre of the sausegefest nerdbase, and is still the source of gaining fan feedback and information

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Where are all the ME2 writers?  Some of them posted quite regularly on the old forums and offered a great deal of insight into how the games were developed.

Before the release of ME2 there was a great deal of anxiety from fans about certain paths the story and characters were going and the general message from the writers was “trust us” and “wait for the game.”

Well we waited and to say ME2 has some controversial story and character elements that disappointed many fans would be an understatement.  Three months and a lame comic book series that did nothing to quell any fears later and we still haven’t heard one iota from the writers. 

So why the silence?

Adjusting gameplay to fit fan preferences is one thing, but trying to write a story to please everyone is quite another.  Letting a disparate fan base flame away about every confirmed or suspected plot detail is not to Bioware's advantage.  Curiosity about how the story will conclude is.

I'm not entirely pleased with the writing in the game (especially with some of the weird moral dichotomies), but I also recognize that it would be disastrous to tailor the plot to the wildly differing tastes of people on the forums.

[Dark_Caduceus]

marshalleck wrote...

This forum is a cesspit of stupidity, whining, endless meme repetition and "funny" (cough cough) motivational pictures. They don't post here because the social site is crap.

Relax, you'll get old before your time. For what it's worth though, the maturity level really seems to have taken a dip.

[askanec]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

This forum is a cesspit of stupidity, whining, endless meme repetition and "funny" (cough cough) motivational pictures. They don't post here because the social site is crap.

as true as that may be, this site is still the centre of the sausegefest nerdbase, and is still the source of gaining fan feedback and information

I hope this site is one of the site for gathering feedback and not "the" site. There's little worse than having a very small and vocal subsection of fans presuming to speak for everyone else and telling the game developers how the game should be made.

[SuperMedbh]

At six million sales, I suspect not! My take is that there's probably some poor intern somewhere who pages through this site, notes any actual bug reports, then does a daily finger in the wind summary along the lines of "Tali still seems popular, people like the handling of the Hammerhead, and the action scene with the Asari Commado and the seven Voluses is getting quoted a lot."

[Onyx Jaguar]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

They figured that we didn't deserve it after the warring fanclans started ****ing over threads and people wanted to know how much the crew can bench press(I will never drop that).

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Don't forget the LOL @ #$&#(&$#( punching people

[Nozybidaj]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

They got your 60 bucks.  WTF do they care?

This mostly. 

That said some of the things that were done in ME2 are hardly defensible, so why come blow smoke up people's rears?  We just have to accept the fact that the game is now a series of stand alone titles instead of a continuing story.

[MOTpoetryION]

Onyx jaguar,

Yes thats them i could not remember the bands name for the life of me .

And forgive me let the lashings begin.