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[uberdowzen]

Hi and welcome to...

The Epic Mass Effect 2 vs Mass Effect 1 Debate

I've noticed that there are a lot of threads throughout the ME forums about whether the sequel or the original game is better and the one thing I've noticed about all of them is that eventually devolve into people throwing insults at one another. I'd like to address that.

My idea is to have a proper debate, not just open a thread and let everyone spout their ideas about what they thought was better. I don't want to get the argument going quite yet though (let's do this properly), I'd like some input on how this could be organised.

I was thinking that maybe each side could have a leader elected who anyone could PM their viewpoint to and then the leader could choose the best argument (or make up an amalgamation of the best). I think that this would avoid the problems all the other argument threads have where people with lots of different viewpoints just put their thoughts out there and it just becomes a confusing mess.

Any other ideas would be great (a slightly less convuluted way of holding the debate would be fantastic). It'd be cool (but unlikely) if we could get some of the Bioware guys involved too.

Also please take a look at this link:

http://www.wikihow.c...a-Good-Argument

Finally, it'd be awesome if someone arty made a banner for the first post of the thread and for signatures. Just sayin'...

Modifié par uberdowzen, 26 avril 2010 - 10:49 .

[SP One Nineteen]

The trolls are coming, the trolls are coming!!!



But honestly now, both good games, i don't see a point in trying to blow the other out of the water.

[vhatever]

ME2> Me1



Wrex is kroganese for sux.

[Corehaven22]

ME 1 > ME 2



ME 1 was a far larger game than 2. The story and plot was far better, instead of the " get companion, do companion mission, get another companion, do that companion mission, then do end game". The central plot was only a couple or three missions long, and the rest were side plots involving people you got for your ship.



Planet scanning was horrible. The Mako and planet side exploration was entirely absent, also making the game far shorter. A lot of people hated the Mako, but I loved it. It was a hell of a lot more fun than planet scanning, and for me it added an important level of immersion to exploring the universe.



Armor and guns were barely there in comparison to the first game. Also making the game less content heavy.



So what ME 2 is in comparison to the first game is a highly dubbed down sequel that had about half the content of the first game if that. By content I mean items, story, locations, etc. All were severely downgraded.



While ME 2 is a fine game, it almost feels like a beefy expansion pack rather than a full fledged game. Except for the fact they took out half the stuff from the first game. You dont axe cool and important features unless they are broken. You improve on them and make them right. What they did instead was throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[SP One Nineteen]

vhatever wrote...

ME2> Me1

Wrex is kroganese for sux.

*Digi-slaps*
Wrex would eat you.

[vhatever]

SP One Nineteen wrote...

vhatever wrote...

ME2> Me1

Wrex is kroganese for sux.

*Digi-slaps*
Wrex would eat you.

Meh. His mouth is full of worms and nuclear fallout.

[Brako Shepard]

This could actually be a great thread if people respected peoples opinions, and didn't go on some kind of ****ish qoute train.



Here is why I prefer Mass Effect 2.



From the moment I got my 360n home from the store, Mass Effect was the first game I popped in the system, and it remained there for a very long time. To say I loved the game was an understatement. This game had everything I wanted and I wasn't even a sci-fi fan of any sort.



The story grabbed me from the off, and seeing all those gorgious landscapes gave me shivvers of excitement. When I started to understand how all the choices effected the story, and heard this game was going to be part of a trilogy, I loved it even more.



The only complaint I had for the game from release day, was the way male Shepard ran. It was a touch to feminine for my liking and found my self trying to blur my own vision as not to be put in a trance by Shepards jiggling buttocks.



Finally the day came when I got my hands on Mass Effect 2. After about 3 hours into the game, I was a little confused as to why certain things had been removed. Why was there no inventory? Why had they gotten rid of planets to land on and explore.? Why was ammo types considered to be a power instead of a found/purchased ammunition? Why the hell had they decided to get leave Wrex out,and why on earth did they choose the default strory to be as a renagade?



I got through Mass Effect 2 after about 26 hours, and by the end of it I must say I really enjoyed it. The combat movement and general speed of Shepard had been a huge improvement over the original. I started to look at all the things I was missing from the original game, may have been left out and tweaked for a very good reason. I decided to play the game again straight away, this time using my Mass Effect save from the original game. All those people I had saved in the original game due to being a paragon player, was a great moment when I spotted them appearing all over the galaxy in Mass Effect 2 to thank my Shepard for helping them out. It really was a great touch from BioWare. The second playthrough was even better due to extra story moments, random encounters with NPC's from Mass Effect, finding all the N7 missions etc. In the end my second playthrough took just over 40 hours, and it was the best 40 hours gaming I have had in a long time.



It was the idea of carrying over a character to Mass Effect 3, that made me want to start from scratch with Mass Effect and make different decissions for Mass Effect 2 & 3. I stared up Mass Effect and straight away spotted that hideous run of Shepards lol. Once I had gotten over that though, it was straight to Anderson and Nhilus to tal about the upcoming mission. The story brought very good memories back, and it was just as good seeing it now as it was back 2 years ago. The moment I landed on Eden Prime though, things started to feel different. The game some how felt way to slow to what I can remember from first playing it. The controls of Shepard and his actual movements would go from flighty to sluggish in a matter of movements. It seems that age had gotten the better of Mass Effect, and it is now time for Mass Effect 2 to shine.



So whilst the story of Mass Effect is still a work of art today, the second game has much better gameplay improvements overall and an extra groovy suicide mission story thrown in for good measure. Everything about Mass Effect has been overshadowed and improved by the release of Mass Effect 2.



So whilst a great story can stand the test of time, gameplay and looks cannot. There future sequals will always feel and look better if the money is there for it, but money doesn't gaurantee a great story. That is all down to talent, and thankfully BioWare seem to have both.

[EastSideryda]

I love ME1,played throught it so many times...Then I got ME2 and now its pretty hard to got back and play through ME1 again...tryed it the other day and I couldnt do it...

[uberdowzen]

Yeah, see, this is already kinda going in the direction I didn't want it to. I was thinking more of a structured debate (almost like the kind you get on political shows) where one side makes a point and then the other side is allowed to counter that point. Not everyone puts in their 2 cents and we never actually get anywhere. If something like that doesn't happen this is just going to become another one of those pointless threads where (like I said in my OP) people just get irritated and start to throw insults. I was thinking maybe two representatives of each side could debate out each point (like which game had a better combat system) rather than everyone chipping in.

Modifié par uberdowzen, 27 avril 2010 - 12:10 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Sorry, that's not going to work here. Too many potential contributors of varying intelligence levels.

[Gorn Kregore]

h8ers be h8in

[uberdowzen]

There's no reason why it couldn't work if there's a decent system to stop anybody of "varying intelligence levels" to post. I saw on another thread that they were using a system where people posted their name and the person who posted first was allowed to make the next post. As long as people respect the system that should work OK.

[SSV Enterprise]

Unless that's something the mods can put into effect, there's still no way to stop trolls from posting in the thread.

[uberdowzen]

Oh yeah, there will obviously be some trolls but we can just ignore their posts.

[EastSideryda]

uberdowzen wrote...

Yeah, see, this is already kinda going in the direction I didn't want it to. I was thinking more of a structured debate (almost like the kind you get on political shows) where one side makes a point and then the other side is allowed to counter that point. Not everyone puts in their 2 cents and we never actually get anywhere. If something like that doesn't happen this is just going to become another one of those pointless threads where (like I said in my OP) people just get irritated and start to throw insults. I was thinking maybe two representatives of each side could debate out each point (like which game had a better combat system) rather than everyone chipping in.

Yea...theres no way thats gonna work on any internet forum man...Representatives for each side,and not everyone can comment??


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[cachx]

Yeah sure, I'll give my 2c briefly, I just hope we can keep the arguing to a minimum... (I think both games are good, but after taking both the good and the bad under consideration ME2 comes out on top).

Story: A lot of people is going to go for ME1, as the first chapter that introduces us to the "ME universe", and that packs an extra punch that puts it over ME2. I would say that ME1 has the better story and villian, but ME2 has overall better characters.

Gameplay: I think we can divide this in 3, the combat, the questing, and the underlying mechanics (or the 'RPGness'). ME2's combat just feels and plays much better, making the original feel clumsy and awkward, even (oh, and I never really understood the drama behind the thermal clips).
I think I like M1's quests were better because it requires you to explore and talk more (like walking around the citadel to places you wouldn't normally need to be in), and I find that much better than going from planet to planet hoping for anomalies, it still bothers me when Hackett interrupts my quest to ask for stuff tho...
RPG's have been my genre of choice in videogames for the longest time, part of what I really enjoy is making and configuring my character's stats and equipment, while ME1 has a lot more on this, it gets bog down by bad ideas (practically forcing me to take the 'coercion' type skills, the I to X identical armors, etc) and a horrid UI. ME2 was a lot simpler, but more clean and to the point, but I was dissapointed by the lack of armor pieces to mix.

There is a lot that I didn't mention, but wanted to keep it short...

[DarthCaine]

http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/



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[uberdowzen]

OK, what about this:

• No posts simply stating your point of view, once the original statement to be argued has been set you can only counter people's points.
• No implying that one game is better than the other because the other side are idiots
• No replying to trolls (or anyone who disobeys the rules)
• No arguments which end with "IMO" (pretty much don't say something is better just because you thought it was better, actually have an argument about why it's better)
• No changing topics until the official point of contention has been changed (so, for example, don't argue about the combat system until the debate about the removal of the inventory is finished)
• Respect other people's opinions (even if we conclude that on a certain point that one of the games is better that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees is an idiot they just have different tastes)
• If you don't have something to say, don't post.

You're right that representative idea won't work in a public forum but what does everyone think of the above ideas?

[Darth_Trethon]

It goes like this: ME2 is a trillion times better than ME1. The end. Problem solved.



http://www.metacriti...3&button=search

Of course a tiny bit of good taste, common sense and the ability to check out metacritic would have solved this issue long before threads were made about it.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 27 avril 2010 - 03:37 .

[uberdowzen]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

It goes like this: ME2 is a trillion times better than ME1. The end. Problem solved.



http://www.metacriti...3&button=search

Well firstly, that's the critics view (although I personally I think they're right) not the fans. Secondly, these arguments happen on the forums anyway, why not try and make one which doesn't devolve into people flinging poo at one another?

[Darth_Trethon]

I wasn't flinging poo I was flinging facts.....and I provided a definite resolution to the argument. Sure there may be people who will continue to remain in severe denial of facts but both the sales and scores of ME2 leave no doubt about which is better.....and better by a long shot at that.

[EAWare_amirite]

I thought this discussion was going to be more than stating your opinion or just calling one game better than the other. Darth posted nothing put opinions(reviews), a lot of them added together and called one game better than the other.

Fact the score is 9909409412% but fact is the score is an opinion.

[FlyingWalrus]

But the user scores for ME2 on those sites are higher as well, lol.

[uberdowzen]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

I wasn't flinging poo I was flinging facts.....and I provided a definite resolution to the argument. Sure there may be people who will continue to remain in severe denial of facts but both the sales and scores of ME2 leave no doubt about which is better.....and better by a long shot at that.

Sorry, I wasn't impying you were flinging poo, I was refering to some of the other forums that I've visited. And that was my point, if these threads are going to pop up anyway, let's actually have them be factual rather than people opinions. Again I apologise if my meaning was misinterpreted.

[uberdowzen]

Also this thread isn't really about which is better overall (although that could come up) but more discussing specific points, like the combat system or the plot.