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[DarthCaine]

My ME2 review (sort of)

Disliked:
-No armor for squad mates
-Effects of ME1 choices (though every realist saw this coming, it's BioWare after all)
-Plot Holes (ME1 had lots of those as well)
-Too many squad mates (by the time I recruited them all I forgot about the ones I already had)
-Scanning (still, I'd rather scan a planet than drive around in nothingness and go up 90 degrees slopes just to get to an even more annoying minigame)
-Glitches
-No helmet toggle
-No skipping opening scene (at least it's better than ME1, where there were no skipping scenes at all)
-Box-art (worst ever)
-Very little armor parts
-Arnold Schwarzenegger

Liked:
-No mako
-Easier to manage equipment
-More cinematic
-More emotional
-Better written new interesting characters (ME1's squad mates were the most boring characters BioWare has ever made)
-Shepard speaks more often thus giving him more personality
-More Humor (than in ME1)
-Profanity (the more, the merrier I say)
-Better environments
-More atmospheric (Afterlife, Omega, Illium)
-Much better music (than ME1's)
-Every weapon is different
-Biotics are awesome (unlike ME1)
-Better Powers
-Awesome combat
-New xp system (you people should seriously play VTMB, one of it's most praised features was the xp system)
-Much better side quests (the N7 mission were really scenic, unlike ME1's fetch quests and copy paste bases)
-Ammo (back when ME1 was announced people compained why it's infinite ammo, now why it's not infinite)
-Tougher decisions (thought still not tough enough, BioWare should take cues from The Witcher)
-Better easter eggs

Poll: ME1 vs ME2
Poll: Dissapointed with ME2?

It's really funny how these threads are populated and made by the same few people (that attack ME2) and suddenly they think they're a majority

ME1 was a dissapointment for me since I was expecting it to be better than KOTOR. I learned my lessons for ME2 and wasn't dissapointed at all.

BioWare really overhyped ME1 which in the end it was a dissapointment:

They said that there'll there'll be a customizable MAKO, an interrupt system, destructible environment, that you could leave your armor covered with blood, that each world will be big as Morrowind and long as a KOTOR world, that you could change the appearance of your weapons and that you can play as a squad mate like in KOTOR (play as Wrex)
( & )

Modifié par DarthCaine, 27 avril 2010 - 10:28 .

[DarthCaine]

Ryzaki wrote...
...hm...maybe tekken 3 is actuall better than ME. Might want to take that off.

I think I had more fun with Tekken 3 than ME1

[Onyx Jaguar]

Really? I liked Tekken Tag, then again I never played Tekken 3, most of the TEkken games I have played I have been underrwhelmed with.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 27 avril 2010 - 10:49 .

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Really? I liked Tekken Tag, then again I never played Tekken 3, most of the TEkken games I have played I have been underrwhelmed with.

Tekken 6 was so bad I cried. Why did they feel the need to destroy the story mode with that...that...crap! And Hworang and Jin didn't even have the big confrontation I was hoping for! Heck none of the minor rivals had anything to say to each other!

Twas just bad.

What is with companies destroying working formulas nowadays?

[Jebel Krong]

same couple of negative whiners, propping up every complaint thread... convinced they are the true fans of the "mass effect universe" and their own suggestions will fix the series back to it's "rpg-only" roots. oh and of course they are the majority and speak for everyone, too.

nobody is saying mass effect 2 is perfect - it has it's share of flaws - but what it does better, it does a lot better than mass 1. you can argue review scores all you want, but: there hasn't been a significant change in quality of reviews in 2 1/2 years and b. as such the comparison between the two is perfectly valid, if not totally meritous for either.

planet scanning was crap, but landing on barren planets to climb mountains in a big, cumbersome car was not great, either.

Modifié par Jebel Krong, 27 avril 2010 - 11:05 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Ryzaki wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Really? I liked Tekken Tag, then again I never played Tekken 3, most of the TEkken games I have played I have been underrwhelmed with.

Tekken 6 was so bad I cried. Why did they feel the need to destroy the story mode with that...that...crap! And Hworang and Jin didn't even have the big confrontation I was hoping for! Heck none of the minor rivals had anything to say to each other!

Twas just bad.

What is with companies destroying working formulas nowadays?

Nethack is still around

Also to be honest I like Pokemon, but they all play the same I really do not feel like playing newer versions that only have slight changes.  Sports games get riduled alot for this.  Seems though like Japanese developers are having unusual problems transitioning into this cycle.  I'm a big Disgaea fan but damn, Disgaea 3 looked and played like Disgaea 2.  Except it was on PS3, with very little enhancements.  I would have been less dissapointed if it was some weird real-time experiment.

But as for Tekken 6, wasn't as bad as what Epic did with Unreal Tournament 3,  OMG

[Jebel Krong]

Sevrun wrote...


Overall, Mass Effect 2 was designed to be simpler.  Why bother buying armor upgrades when they really don't matter?  I saw only slight effects of researching weapons upgrades (likely vital in Hardcore/Insanity modes, but I have
to avoid intense stress)  so a large portion of even the simplified game can be safely tucked by the wayside.  Part of me just shrugs and says that's what you get for trying to make console (Xbox) gamers more comfortable with the game.  But I am still able to recognize when I'm being biased, and since I do not like the Xbox at all, that's likely my
predjudiced view talking.

well at least you admitted your are biased. to take your points though: the "upgrades" everyone seemed so fond of in me1, plus the range of guns/armours themselves were insignificantly different for the most-part, they did not add much "depth" at all, and combat was so stilted and crippled it didn't really matter (i could sniper pretty much every enemy from miles away and they could rarely hit me back) - didn't matter what upgrades i had.

Sevrun wrote... 

So I'm left wondering...

Why? 
My son is 4 years old.  He's fully capable of playing and beating Mass Effect 2.  He can make the character run, he can make the character shoot, and that's really all you have to do if you turn on auto level-up and play a soldier.  The conversations would slow him down until he realized the fastest way past them and back to the shooting.  Gear
doesn't seem to matter, so why bother with it?

game wasn't designed for 4 year old so i fail to see your point. my son is 2 1/2 and he can hold a controller and navigate environments with a character; that doesn't enable to him to play or enjoy the game because, for a start, the characters/conversations  - which he doesn't understand - make up a large proportion of the experience.

[Terror_K]

Overall, I think both games are about as equally flawed, just in different ways. Its just that I see ME1's flaws quite often as things that were understandable and that they were usually the result of BioWare trying to do something and not quite pulling it off. ME2's flaws on the other hand are not understandable and seem to come from a lack of trying, too much oversimplification and taking the easy solution by simply throwing the problem away rather than actually solving it and going for the easiest and simplest options. Simply put: ME1 was flawed because it was too ambitious. ME2 is flawed because its not ambitious enough.

[bjdbwea]

Graphics, sound, optimization for PC hardware and the new interrupt system:

ME 2 > ME 1.

Everything else:

ME 1 > ME 2.

[Costin_Razvan]

Yeah, driving around in nothingness and going up 90 degrees slopes just to get to an annoying minigame is awesome

I did not say exploration. I said the Mako, as in fighting with it.

Oh, so having different opinions and tastes from yours makes me stupid ? I don't know why I even bother replying

Most people are idiotic fools, say all you will about that but this is the internet.

It's funny how these threads are made by the same few people and suddenly they think they're the majority

It's funny how you think the opinion of the majority is actually the relevant one. I find the opinion of a small minority to be the better one, and the world is ruled by minorities elected by fooled majorities. That's your democracy.

The point of my post wasn't that ME1 is a vastly superior game to ME2, but that ME1 AND 2 have both ups and downs, and that there are aspects in both games that I hate and love. While I see ME2 slightly above ME1 ( mostly due to combat and inventory ) it is close.

Metacritic rating shows my opinion perfectly.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 27 avril 2010 - 11:16 .

[bjdbwea]

The scores are completely irrelevant. They don't tell you what's "better", they only tell you what (a number of) individuals like more. But as you can see in politics, even when a majority of people thinks something is superior, doesn't mean it's true.

[Onyx Jaguar]

It is only true if you yourself believe it is true.

[Erinlana]

I think mass effect 2 had more Dialogue to go around , i'd ahve liked more lines for Shephard to say as He/she only get about 2 lines at the max , as you are listening to about 3-4 for other people in-game . Mass effect 1 had a "more" easier way to customize your armour in the Feild rather than going back to the normandy when ever you wanted to put a helmet on & so on & so forth .



Mass effect 1 had more exploration and more detail when you landed on a planet e.g noting how close you were to other planet's and seeing them from the planet surface which was out of this world !



I would have liked other transportation rather than a shuttle that only dropped you at pre-choosen area's.



Also the choice to customize your squad's armour would have been a good advantage in mass effect 2 but wasn't giving..



If Bioware got all the good compents of mass effect 1 and paired them to mass effect 2 and then used them for there title on mass effect 3 they would have a game of year (not that i dont love this game , i think its dam sexy both me1 & 2!) , and perhaps an online choice would be great to , so you could interact with other players and be giving speech options with them , A sort of "eve like world".



Now my wrist is sore.. lol

[SithLordExarKun]

Personal preference. I like both games but i prefer ME2 over ME1.

[Cascadus]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ryzaki: Very few people ( with an actual brain mind you ) are saying ME2 is vastly superior to ME1. I miss the dark lighting ( compared to the Bright one of ME2 ), the Mako, the squad elevator chatter ( not the elevators themselves ), the wide planets ( as in how big Feros, Virmire etc. were to the ME2 planets )

I do not miss the generic planets of ME1 and the fail combat system, or the loot system.

That said take a look at metacritic.

Again. Why do people insist on trying to use Metacritic as some end all argument. People are allowed to have opinions. Metacritic rates Assassin's Creed 2 high, so I should like it right? Metacritic told me God Hand was a subpar game. Metacritic also told me Deadly Premonition was merely average and Heavy Rain was better, so I should of liked Heavy Rain more. Right? Metacritic rated FFIV lower than FFVII, so I suppose that I will concede because since Metacritic says so, it must be true.
People have their own opinions. I know someone who really liked Alone in the Dark. The movie. By Uwe Boll. I know someone who hated Mass Effect. People's perceptions of a game are not cut and dry. People are different, people have opinions, scores are subjective. It just tells you how many people liked the game as opposed to another. I know someone who would give ME2 a 2.0 and someone else who would of given it a 10.0. Who's right? Is one person's opinion worth more than another?

If you really think ME2 is better, give your own experiences and how playing through ME2 gave you so much of a better experience than ME1. If you really loved the game, you don't need some meter taking into account how well a game did with the critics.

Modifié par Cascadus, 27 avril 2010 - 12:57 .

[Icinix]

I don't see Mass Effect 1, or Mass Effect 2 as separate games to be competed against.



I see them as two interwoven threads in the greatest saga the gaming community has ever bore witness too.

[Costin_Razvan]

Cascadus: You really only looked at the pic and ignored the whole bloody reason I posted it in the first place.

[TJSolo]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Cascadus: You really only looked at the pic and ignored the whole bloody reason I posted it in the first place.

To appeal to some sort of majority view instead of supporting your words with your own words.

[SmokeyNinjas]

I think ME1 had the more epic story but for everything else ME2>ME1.

[Elvis_Mazur]

I discussed this so many times and i don't want to write another big post about why i look Mass Effect 2 as a superior game.

[Jebel Krong]

TJSolo wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Cascadus: You really only looked at the pic and ignored the whole bloody reason I posted it in the first place.

To appeal to some sort of majority view instead of supporting your words with your own words.

this word.... i don't think it means what you think it means.

[Zulu_DFA]

DarthCaine wrote...

Disliked:
-Arnold Schwarzenegger

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!

DarthCaine wrote...
ME1 was a dissapointment for me since I was expecting it to be better than KOTOR. I learned my lessons for ME2 and wasn't dissapointed at all.

BioWare really overhyped ME1 which in the end it was a dissapointment:

So, in the end, you liked ME2 more than ME1, because you were expecting little of it? And now you defend ME2 being better than ME1, because you liked ME2 more than ME1 (because your expectations for ME1 were too high)? Where is the logic???

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 27 avril 2010 - 03:01 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Cascadus wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Ryzaki: Very few people ( with an actual brain mind you ) are saying ME2 is vastly superior to ME1. I miss the dark lighting ( compared to the Bright one of ME2 ), the Mako, the squad elevator chatter ( not the elevators themselves ), the wide planets ( as in how big Feros, Virmire etc. were to the ME2 planets )

I do not miss the generic planets of ME1 and the fail combat system, or the loot system.

That said take a look at metacritic.

Again. Why do people insist on trying to use Metacritic as some end all argument. People are allowed to have opinions. Metacritic rates Assassin's Creed 2 high, so I should like it right? Metacritic told me God Hand was a subpar game. Metacritic also told me Deadly Premonition was merely average and Heavy Rain was better, so I should of liked Heavy Rain more. Right? Metacritic rated FFIV lower than FFVII, so I suppose that I will concede because since Metacritic says so, it must be true.
People have their own opinions. I know someone who really liked Alone in the Dark. The movie. By Uwe Boll. I know someone who hated Mass Effect. People's perceptions of a game are not cut and dry. People are different, people have opinions, scores are subjective. It just tells you how many people liked the game as opposed to another. I know someone who would give ME2 a 2.0 and someone else who would of given it a 10.0. Who's right? Is one person's opinion worth more than another?

If you really think ME2 is better, give your own experiences and how playing through ME2 gave you so much of a better experience than ME1. If you really loved the game, you don't need some meter taking into account how well a game did with the critics.

WAKE UP, PEOPLE, ALL RATINGS ARE PAID FOR !

[TJSolo]

Jebel Krong wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Cascadus: You really only looked at the pic and ignored the whole bloody reason I posted it in the first place.

To appeal to some sort of majority view instead of supporting your words with your own words.

this word.... i don't think it means what you think it means.

You keep thinking that but you might want to look up some intricacies of the English language as well. Worldplay and similes would be a good place to start.

[DSKzZziX]

The thing that made ME1 better than ME2 for me was the fact I didn't know what was going to happen - because there were massive spoilers posted in the forums that pretty much ruined it for me and many others.



Then again, even the stuff that was released from Bioware officially regarding the game (collectors, new companions, shep's death etc) pretty much summed up all that happens in the game anyway.



I think the only times I was ever surprised about stuff was when the decisions made in ME1 reflected in the playing experience of ME2, and the comedy thrown in (blasto etc).



Whereas in ME1, as far as I knew, the information given was a a lot less and I was moved more by the story and the events in the game.



This has been something that's been troubling me for some time. Maybe I am at fault for trying to learn more about the game or something, or perhaps I'm just weird



On a game play level, I find both games great in their own individual niches and I honestly can't say I prefer one over the other, but ME1 for me was remarkable in terms of the events that transpired and how I got swept up in it.



Meh.