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[Tirigon]

ME2.

[DarthCaine]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

So, in the end, you liked ME2 more than ME1, because you were expecting little of it? And now you defend ME2 being better than ME1, because you liked ME2 more than ME1 (because your expectations for ME1 were too high)? Where is the logic???

No, maybe I said it wrong. Like I said in my liked/disliked list , ME2 did almost everything better. I meant to say that a lot of people are dissapointed 'cos they were expecting too much of BioWare (like having big consequences, which hasn't been done in any BioWare game)

[Ryzaki]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Really? I liked Tekken Tag, then again I never played Tekken 3, most of the TEkken games I have played I have been underrwhelmed with.

Tekken 6 was so bad I cried. Why did they feel the need to destroy the story mode with that...that...crap! And Hworang and Jin didn't even have the big confrontation I was hoping for! Heck none of the minor rivals had anything to say to each other!

Twas just bad.

What is with companies destroying working formulas nowadays?

Nethack is still around

Also to be honest I like Pokemon, but they all play the same I really do not feel like playing newer versions that only have slight changes.  Sports games get riduled alot for this.  Seems though like Japanese developers are having unusual problems transitioning into this cycle.  I'm a big Disgaea fan but damn, Disgaea 3 looked and played like Disgaea 2.  Except it was on PS3, with very little enhancements.  I would have been less dissapointed if it was some weird real-time experiment.

But as for Tekken 6, wasn't as bad as what Epic did with Unreal Tournament 3,  OMG

Ah true it could have been worse.
Still. Why did they mutilate my favorite part? Why Namco why?!?

[Zulu_DFA]

DarthCaine wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

So, in the end, you liked ME2 more than ME1, because you were expecting little of it? And now you defend ME2 being better than ME1, because you liked ME2 more than ME1 (because your expectations for ME1 were too high)? Where is the logic???

No, maybe I said it wrong. Like I said in my liked/disliked list , ME2 did almost everything better. I meant to say that a lot of people are dissapointed 'cos they were expecting too much of BioWare (like having big consequences, which hasn't been done in any BioWare game)

This is not the only reason. For one, I am perfectly OK with little consequences of ME1 choices in the middle part. I can even live without Mako missions (I loved the APC -- after I learned how to drive it, and desolate planets, and vistas), as they may be not justified any more by the main plot (no time for rolling around). But for other reasons I am extremely dissapointed.

In the shooter realm, ME will never be at par with pure shooters. And this "fluent gameplay" business devoured the sense of sci-fi-ish space adventure in ME2. Simple as that.

Thermal ammo made it more intense, you say?
Awkward codex made it frustrating, I say.

[uberdowzen]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
WAKE UP, PEOPLE, ALL RATINGS ARE PAID FOR !

I really hope you're kidding...

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Sigh. Just gonna hit the points why I think ME2 is superior:



-Characters

-Graphics, sounds, music, art. Presentation in general were miles away from the first game

-Combat

-Interrupt System

-Upgrades instead of horrible looting

-Omni gel gone

-Skill system (missing points kinda screw up but it's a minor flaw)

-N7 missions

-The suicide mission



"In the shooter realm, ME will never be at par with pure shooters. And this "fluent gameplay" business devoured the sense of sci-fi-ish space adventure in ME2. Simple as that."

I LMAO in the part of "fluent gameplay" business devoured the sense of sci-fi-ish", and I thought the combat of ME2 much more fun than Gears of War. Powers make ALL the difference.

[DarthCaine]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

WAKE UP, PEOPLE, ALL RATINGS ARE PAID FOR !

Check the little thing called USER SCORE:



And then there's this: http://social.biowar...596/polls/1670/

[ihavetogo]

in my opinion (which is better):
mass effect 1: story
mass effect 2: everything else

[Sevrun]

Umm, UberDowzen



A few of us did offer very well structured (I thought) comments on how the two differ without necessarily entering into the 1 is better than 2 diatribe. I don't necessarily prefer ME1 over ME2, quite the contrary as I play 2 more than 1, but there were things that I feel should not have been changed. Sorry if we blew up your thread, guess I'll take my 2 cents to places it's wanted.

[uberdowzen]

Sevrun wrote...

Umm, UberDowzen

A few of us did offer very well structured (I thought) comments on how the two differ without necessarily entering into the 1 is better than 2 diatribe. I don't necessarily prefer ME1 over ME2, quite the contrary as I play 2 more than 1, but there were things that I feel should not have been changed. Sorry if we blew up your thread, guess I'll take my 2 cents to places it's wanted.

They're wanted here, it's just that with most of these threads one person states their point of view, then a few more chip in, then someone calls someone an idiot (or implies it), the insultee takes offence and starts insulting back and the whole thread falls into anarchy and nothing gets achieved. This was meant to be a more structured debate, not just a massive argument.

[FlyingWalrus]

Guys, I think Zulu_DFA was mocking Cascadus.

Me, I agree with the guy who said ME1 and ME2 are interwoven threads in the greatest saga videogaming has ever known.

I had to endure Xenosaga Episode II, so you can see why I disagree starkly with those who insist that ME2 is a shame to its title.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 28 avril 2010 - 05:21 .

[Aceyalone7777]

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

1) Eden Prime

2) Citadel

3) Feros

4) Noveria

5) Virmire

6) Illos



Really now? ME2 had 25 levels and side-missions were all UNIQUE, not some Mako-BOORING exploration...with little or no effort put in from the developers...



I just felt that ME2 showed me so many more aspects from the galaxy that we live in than ME1.

[KitsuneRommel]

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

[DarthCaine]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

This

[uberdowzen]

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

Exactly, it was longer, not larger.

[TJSolo]

DarthCaine wrote...

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

This

So larger meant more things to do, will wonders never cease.

[TJSolo]

uberdowzen wrote...

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

Exactly, it was longer, not larger.

Oh now longer, so by admittance you are calling ME2 shorter.

[Vena_86]

ME2 has a different target audience than ME1.

Everyone seems to have the answer for which game is better. But in reality that answer only applies to the question "Which type of game appeals to more people." And yes the answer to that is ME2. But that doesn't make it a better game. It is a better shooter but not a better RPG with key elements such as immersion, freedom, diversity, detailed character developement. Its a different game for a different taste. Now that would be all nice if we were talking about two unrelated games but that is not the case.



ME1 should be the number one reference for the sequel and not current trends. And for that matter the sequel might be a better game for the majority of people but in the end it remains a worse Mass Effect.



I dont give a **** what all those mainstream game critics say. They ignore that ME2 is a sequel and just look at it like "how much GoW is in the game?". Furthermore they only rush through games without getting involved which rules out any in-depth insigths or comparison from these "critics" which are just as casual as the next best guy from the streets.

In short:

ME2: better shooter with better grafics, awesome as stand alone game, failure as a sequel

ME1: better epic RPG adventure on galactic scale and better Mass Effect

[bjdbwea]

Vena_86 wrote...

ME2 has a different target audience than ME1.

That's the main problem. <_<

[KitsuneRommel]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

Exactly, it was longer, not larger.

Oh now longer, so by admittance you are calling ME2 shorter.

Well you COULD spend ages scanning all the planets if you want.

[Scout703]

ME1 was a larger game in scope since everything was new however I did like the game dynamics of ME2 for the fact it was as torture ridden as you have to update this weapon and I must have this armor or heck having to upgrade all of your weapons such as the pistol, shotgun, sniper rifle, assault rifle, and the grenades. To be honest I like the fact that the game was streamlined but they (Bioware) didn't do it at the cost of a great story. I look forward to more DLCs.

[Sailears]

Massadonious1 wrote...

ME1 for the story, ME2 for the gameplay.

That's about as simple as I can put it without getting into the details.

This, in a nutshell.

[uberdowzen]

TJSolo wrote...

uberdowzen wrote...

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Aceyalone7777 wrote...

I can't understand whoever says that ME1 was a larger game. Yes , it did have larger levels but on what cost? The whole game was 6 levels...

It was "larger" because you had to spend so much time tinkering with your inventory and driving around in Mako.

Exactly, it was longer, not larger.

Oh now longer, so by admittance you are calling ME2 shorter.

No, they're the same length, once you remove from ME1 the time spent clearing out your inventory and driving backwards and forwards across planets trying to find resources.

[Brako Shepard]

ihavetogo wrote...

in my opinion (which is better):
mass effect 1: story
mass effect 2: everything else

Hmmm *scratches beard*  I seeeee *smokes pipe* Well erm * sratches beard whilst smoking pipe*

I agree with all your points apart from the story. I am not saying that Mass Effect 2's story is better than the original, there are certainly a few things that didn't come across as if they were thought through properly. But on the other hand both stories are amazing, but nothing like each other. Which is why I agree that all the actual gameplay improvements are much better in Mass Effect 2 than the original. But the stories cannot be compared as they have a totally different style.background or whatever you wish to call it.

[tonnactus]

DarthCaine wrote...
Feros compared to Tuchanka, Illium or Omega? Small
Virmire compared to any of above? Tiny

Lol,what??Virmire even have some alternative paths how to reach a place.Same for noveria.
All Mass Effect 2 levels gave me the feeling just to walk through tubes.
Only exception was Heastrom.

Modifié par tonnactus, 28 avril 2010 - 11:21 .