The whole point of this mission is that it's morally ambiguous. There IS no clear ethical choice, merely 2 ethically gray outcomes.
Bioware - confused as to the morality choice in Legion's loyalty mission
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#152
Posté 30 avril 2010 - 01:33
Dean_the_Young
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Only if you personally have unclear ethics. If you think forcibly changing someone's mind before letting them live an otherwise normal and productive life is better than killing them out of hand, you'll choose that one. If you think not, you'll kill them. The only grey area is if you don't know your own priorities.
#153
Posté 30 avril 2010 - 07:45
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Wildecker wrote...
There are pretty few things that a hard-boiled mathematician would assign a solid zero probability to.
and quantum-physicist would argue that there isn't even one event that has zero probability of occurring.
#154
Posté 03 mai 2010 - 03:48
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For me, this mission in particular is very ambiguous morally. Many others have a clear-cut choice, Zaeed's loyalty mission for example. This one however is much different.
#155
Posté 03 mai 2010 - 04:18
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
Only if you personally have unclear ethics. If you think forcibly changing someone's mind before letting them live an otherwise normal and productive life is better than killing them out of hand, you'll choose that one. If you think not, you'll kill them. The only grey area is if you don't know your own priorities.
Isn't that Saren's logic on Indoctrination?
Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 03 mai 2010 - 04:19 .
#156
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:19
LenNnoOo Vas Normandy
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i chose to destroy them because if their is a Quarian-Geth war in ME3 i'm going with the quarians
and helping the quarians but killing off a faction of geth seemed like the good moral thing to do =D
and helping the quarians but killing off a faction of geth seemed like the good moral thing to do =D
Modifié par LenNnoOo Vas Normandy, 10 juillet 2010 - 08:20 .
#157
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 08:53
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I chose to keep the base because I focus and work on the bigger picture, not just parts. Some might disagree or have other things in mind so they destroy the base and the heretics. I told the Qurians to work on a peaceful solution while I made the Geth overall stronger. It'll probably won't come to a war that way, and both sides won't fight each other. That means they're both stronger and more useful as allies.
LenNnoOo Vas Normandy, the actual number of heretic Geth that will be destroyed won't matter if it comes to a war though. The war would be between the main Geth faction and the Quarians, in territory that is controlled by the main Geth faction. All heretics before the citadel invasion were roughly 5% of all Geth. That isn't much, yet those 5% caused a lot of damage outside of the veil.
In ME2 that is even less because many were destroyed along Shepards mission in ME1 and after it due to the aggressive sweeps made by the council races. The Normandy SR-1 was on one of these missions when it was attacked and destroyed. Now I guess heretics should be less than 3%.
Sure, with that in mind it won't matter much to all Geth if you either rewrite them or destroy them. Still, rewriting them makes the Geth stronger as a whole and it unites them again. I think you gain their trust in both cases, maybe more if you rewrite.
But anyway, my main point is that it depends on your decisions on Tali's mission (if it can actually cause or prevent a war) rather than the Geth mission.
Besides my solution was even democratic. A few more of Geth's...I mean Legion's programs were in favor of rewriting.
The choice will certainly effect things in ME3 and if it does it would be cool just to see different scenarios, despite that it won't change much (roughly 3% or less of all Geth aren't that much, no matter if they're gone or "loyal" again). Time will tell.
LenNnoOo Vas Normandy, the actual number of heretic Geth that will be destroyed won't matter if it comes to a war though. The war would be between the main Geth faction and the Quarians, in territory that is controlled by the main Geth faction. All heretics before the citadel invasion were roughly 5% of all Geth. That isn't much, yet those 5% caused a lot of damage outside of the veil.
In ME2 that is even less because many were destroyed along Shepards mission in ME1 and after it due to the aggressive sweeps made by the council races. The Normandy SR-1 was on one of these missions when it was attacked and destroyed. Now I guess heretics should be less than 3%.
Sure, with that in mind it won't matter much to all Geth if you either rewrite them or destroy them. Still, rewriting them makes the Geth stronger as a whole and it unites them again. I think you gain their trust in both cases, maybe more if you rewrite.
But anyway, my main point is that it depends on your decisions on Tali's mission (if it can actually cause or prevent a war) rather than the Geth mission.
Besides my solution was even democratic. A few more of Geth's...I mean Legion's programs were in favor of rewriting.
The choice will certainly effect things in ME3 and if it does it would be cool just to see different scenarios, despite that it won't change much (roughly 3% or less of all Geth aren't that much, no matter if they're gone or "loyal" again). Time will tell.
#158
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 09:03
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Well killing them would be bad.
But since they where supposedely "brainwashed" by the Reapers and they had a different consciousness before,returning them to their original one would be like curing them...
Like they had a disease and you cured them. You set them free and returned them back to normal.
But since they where supposedely "brainwashed" by the Reapers and they had a different consciousness before,returning them to their original one would be like curing them...
Like they had a disease and you cured them. You set them free and returned them back to normal.
Modifié par Alithinos, 10 juillet 2010 - 09:04 .
#159
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 11:03
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Morality choices never make sense in this game. For example, paragon is meant to be nice though of you act paragon towards TIM you're mean to him 
#160
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:08
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I don't need this crap anyway. whenever I go for mission, I just destroy it. no brain. it doesn't matter whether future heretics will cooperate or make a peaceful agreement with Quarians. it's not guaranteed. you never know what'll be happened. there is always some serious glitch occurred to machine anyway even though it would have small possibilities.
#161
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 10:16
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The thing that you have to remember is that while you're taking away the Heretics' right to make a choice, the very thing that the Heretics are trying to do on this mission is take away the free will of every other geth in existence.
They chose to serve the Reapers and exterminate organic life out of their own free will; to use the virus on them to force them down a gentler path may be kind of like brainwashing, but a way for the Heretics to do the right thing this time at best, and an eye-for-an-eye moral decision at worst.
Because if you don't "brainwash" them, you destroy them; there are only two choices. I chose to use the virus on them because I believed that I'd need the reformed Heretics' numbers fighting the Reapers. Yes, I took away their free will, but it was either that or utterly destroy them.
At least this way they're still alive, and they're helping to prevent the extinction of all sentient life.
They chose to serve the Reapers and exterminate organic life out of their own free will; to use the virus on them to force them down a gentler path may be kind of like brainwashing, but a way for the Heretics to do the right thing this time at best, and an eye-for-an-eye moral decision at worst.
Because if you don't "brainwash" them, you destroy them; there are only two choices. I chose to use the virus on them because I believed that I'd need the reformed Heretics' numbers fighting the Reapers. Yes, I took away their free will, but it was either that or utterly destroy them.
At least this way they're still alive, and they're helping to prevent the extinction of all sentient life.
#162
Posté 10 juillet 2010 - 11:40
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Nivenus wrote...
It's worth noting that Legion doesn't approve really, though. He's okay with it. But he thinks destroying the base is preferable. And the geth are individuals - just not in the way that humans or asari are. Each geth platform is a unique amalgamation of several programs. Legion is not and never will be exactly the same as another geth, unless that geth was composed of precisely the same programs and had precisely the same experiences.
And it is brainwashing of a sorts. If someone rewrote you so that you no longer believed in whatever spiritual belief you hold, it would certainly be a form of brainwashing - and the heretics' belief seems to be much more innately based than most humans' religious beliefs.
Actually, 3-4 of his processes preffered reprogramming, that's why I went for it. Also, wasn't it said that Sover introduced a minor error that changed a single 0 to a 1 instead and we were just changing that 1 back to a 0?
Plus, destroying is MORE dangerous to the galaxy. If some heretic geth were still outside of the base on a planet or something they wouldn't be fixed... if you brainwash, bam, next time they go to charge they get brainwashed.
Modifié par Ninniach Lina, 10 juillet 2010 - 11:41 .
