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[Busomjack]

There are several professional gaming "athletic" leagues such as CPL(Cyberathlete professional league) and a few others that take gaming and turn it into a competitive sport.
Do you feel that competitive gaming should be considered a sport?

I say no.  While I have nothing against competitive gaming being a hosted event for the sake of entertainment I think that if we expand the definition of a athlete to include people who are engaging in what is essentially a sedentary activity then we loosen the defition to include pretty much any competitive activity as a sport.  I mean, do you think poker should be considered a sport too?
I think that sets a bad precedent for our technology addicted culture, are we going to have gaming athletic events during PE classes in school next?  A sport is defined as a physical activity which tests human endurance and skill.  Gaming only fullfills the latter criteria, gaming does not test human endurance as body movement is limited to your hands.

So in conclusion I think that competitive gaming is fine but don't cheapen athletics by calling it a sport.  It offends real athletes such as myself.

Modifié par Busomjack, 27 avril 2010 - 01:16 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

It should be called whatever someone wants to call it.

[Loerwyn]

It's called an "e-Sport" for a reason.

[Busomjack]

How can something be a sport though when it's competitors are not athletes?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Change the definition of terms. Works every time.

[Feraele]

Gaming is "mental gymnastics"

[Busomjack]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Change the definition of terms. Works every time.

That's not just changing the definition of it though, it's cheapening it.  Fat geeky nerds who play World Of Warcraft all day should never be be compared to true athletes.
I can understand why it may be hard to empathize with my point of view since very few people are as physically adept as I am but try to see things from the perspective of a hardcore athlete such as myself.

Modifié par Busomjack, 27 avril 2010 - 11:55 .

[Twitchmonkey]

I'm ambivalent to the situation. I haven't found a definition that has the endurance requirement, so I think that technically the manual dexterity required would make competitive gaming a sport, but I don't think anyone is getting it confused with a physically demanding activity.

[Loerwyn]

And there we go, point completely obliterated.

Busomjack, go watch a bunch of videos of Koreans playing Starcraft and then tell us that those guys are not the cream of the crop in terms of gaming. They are far beyond the average player's skills.

[Busomjack]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

I'm ambivalent to the situation. I haven't found a definition that has the endurance requirement, so I think that technically the manual dexterity required would make competitive gaming a sport, but I don't think anyone is getting it confused with a physically demanding activity.

A sport requires some sort of physical activity.  If we're going to consider gaming a sport then we might as well consider channel flipping a sport since that requires just about the same amount of physical activity.

There is skill involved but skill is not the only pre-requisite for a sport.  There needs to be some sort of physical aspect to it.  The participants need to actually be athletes.  A gamer is not an athlete no matter how good he/she may be.

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

And there we go, point completely obliterated.
Busomjack, go watch a bunch of videos of Koreans playing Starcraft and then tell us that those guys are not the cream of the crop in terms of gaming. They are far beyond the average player's skills.

I'm not questioning anyone's gamings skills but as good as they are, they're still not athletes.

[Loerwyn]

Except they are. They're athletes in another way. They have excellent hand-eye co-ordination, incredible reflexes and tactical skill (depending on the game/genre).

Just because they don't have your 3 years of Ninja Training on the Cloud Base of Hepsibeth the 7th Queen of Prussia & The Outlying Lands, it doesn't mean they're not atheletes.

[Busomjack]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

I, for one, prefer brains to a mass of muscles.

I don't have to compromise one for the other, but that is besides the point.  I don't think being good at games necessarily means you're intelligent either.

[Busomjack]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Except they are. They're athletes in another way. They have excellent hand-eye co-ordination, incredible reflexes and tactical skill (depending on the game/genre).
Just because they don't have your 3 years of Ninja Training on the Cloud Base of Hepsibeth the 7th Queen of Prussia & The Outlying Lands, it doesn't mean they're not atheletes.

An athlete is defined as someone with superior strength, agility, and endurance.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Sportsperson

How can someone be considered an athlete if they're engaging in a activity that requires none of those three prerequisites?  Do you consider speed reading a sport too? 

[The Grey Spectre]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It should be called whatever someone wants to call it.

Exactly, just like the "Should games be considered art" thread, it all boils down to semantics, it doesn't matter what you call it,  the word may assist in conjuring up a speculation in an ignorant person's mind, but the word itself is not going to change it.

and with that

[Loerwyn]

No, because reading isn't an interactive activity.

How is a chess player, as Ivandra mentions, less of an athlete than someone who can throw a javelin at an Olympic standard? The top chess players have an incredible agility, but of the mind and not of the body. They have the mental endurance to play games for hours, and the intellectual strength to beat their opponent.

e-Sports, aside from FPS gaming, is along the same lines of chess. FPS based e-Sports are all about agility and reflexes, and outwitting your opponent. You could say racing isn't a sport because they're sat on their backside for the whole race, but that's not true. The drivers have excellent endurance and reflexes, and if they didn't then they wouldn't be racing at that level.

[Noir201]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

Except they are. They're athletes in another way. They have excellent hand-eye co-ordination, incredible reflexes and tactical skill (depending on the game/genre).
Just because they don't have your 3 years of Ninja Training on the Cloud Base of Hepsibeth the 7th Queen of Prussia & The Outlying Lands, it doesn't mean they're not atheletes.

You made my day with that

[Busomjack]

The Grey Spectre wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

It should be called whatever someone wants to call it.

Exactly, just like the "Should games be considered art" thread, it all boils down to semantics, it doesn't matter what you call it,  the word may assist in conjuring up a speculation in an ignorant person's mind, but the word itself is not going to change it.

and with that

Art is so loosely defined that just about anything is considered art these days.  Athletics on the other hand is not so subjective.  The definition of an athlete is pretty concrete and being a good gamer does not make you an athlete at all.