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[Busomjack]

Dethateer wrote...

The fact that anyone can edit wikipedia and, generally, it's utterly useless unless you plan on getting a school paper or something from it.

http://www.thefreedi...y.com/athletics

Athletics:

Activities, such as sports, exercises, and games, that require
physical skill and stamina.

[ImperialOperative]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The creation and running of gaming. It is an art form, much like the creation of movies or books. It is a form of interactive entertainment and expression.

We're talking about professional e-sports, this isn't the thread for "are video games art?"

[Dethateer]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

The fact that anyone can edit wikipedia and, generally, it's utterly useless unless you plan on getting a school paper or something from it.

lolwut?

Wait so wikipedia is useless UNLESS it's for academics?

No, my point was that usually teachers only care that you write something and you copy-paste wikipedia articles to save time.

Modifié par Dethateer, 27 avril 2010 - 02:37 .

[Busomjack]

The Grey Spectre wrote...

Now you're adding conditions. We could debate semantics and terminology all f*cking month, and it will never make a difference.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.  If it involves a physical aspect, it's a sport.  If not, it's not.  Nothing I have said has contradicted this basic, commonly defined principle which applies to all athletics.
Gaming is sedentary and thus not a sport.

Modifié par Busomjack, 27 avril 2010 - 02:39 .

[Norskatt]

sport   /spɔrt, spoʊrt/ Show Spelled[spawrt, spohrt] –noun

1.anathletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a
competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling,
wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

2.a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.

3.diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

4.jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.

5.mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

6.an object of derision; laughingstock.

7.something treated lightly or tossed about like a plaything.

8.something or someone subject to the whims or vicissitudes of fate, circumstances, etc.

9.a sportsman.

10.Informal. a person who behaves in a sportsmanlike, fair, or admirable manner; an accommodating person: He was a sport and took his defeat well.

11.Informal. a person who is interested in sports as an occasion for gambling; gambler.

12.Informal. a flashy person; one who wears showy clothes, affects smart manners, pursues pleasurable pastimes, or the like; a bon vivant.

ath·lete  /noun
a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical
agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or
game requiring physical skill.



Sport- Yes, Athlete- No

Not all 'sports' require 'athletes'.

Modifié par Norskatt, 27 avril 2010 - 02:40 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

The creation and running of gaming. It is an art form, much like the creation of movies or books. It is a form of interactive entertainment and expression.

We're talking about professional e-sports, this isn't the thread for "are video games art?"

I know what we are talking about. I am pointing out that gaming fits the criteria for an art form better than it does a "sport".

[Mycrus Ironfist]

i hate sports... so don't call my video games that... hehehe

[The Grey Spectre]

Busomjack wrote...

The Grey Spectre wrote...

Now you're adding conditions. We could debate semantics and terminology all f*cking month, and it will never make a difference.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.  If it involves a physical aspect, it's a sport.  If not, it's not.  Nothing I have said has contradicted this basic, commonly defined principle which applies to all athletics.
Gaming is sedentary and thus not a sport.

So if I walk to the kitchen to get some water and then return to my game, will that fill your "conditions" for hunting, which you claimed to require movement in order to be a sport.

[ImperialOperative]

Dethateer wrote...

No, my point was that usually teachers only care that you write something and you copy-paste wikipedia articles to save time.

Uh yeah, if you want a first class ticket to academic failure and bombardment from the honor council that's the first thing you'll want to do.

Generally Wikipedia is considered a great source of general knowledge, and an extremely unacademic source that must be avoided in the academic setting (well, actually it's a good place to start with a subject, as there are usually a lot of citations in the bottom of each wiki page that you can go from to find better sources).

[ImperialOperative]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I know what we are talking about. I am pointing out that gaming fits the criteria for an art form better than it does a "sport".

I see, like dissection and surgery. 

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Norskatt wrote...

3.diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

if that were the case, then reading a book, cooking, getting drunk, playing chess, knitting sweaters, picking your nose, ect, would all be considered "sports".

Given the other meanings of the word sport in context, definition number three is clearly linked to a recreational activity that involves a fair amount of physical activity.

[Dethateer]

ImperialOperative wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

No, my point was that usually teachers only care that you write something and you copy-paste wikipedia articles to save time.

Uh yeah, if you want a first class ticket to academic failure and bombardment from the honor council that's the first thing you'll want to do.

Generally Wikipedia is considered a great source of general knowledge, and an extremely unacademic source that must be avoided in the academic setting (well, actually it's a good place to start with a subject, as there are usually a lot of citations in the bottom of each wiki page that you can go from to find better sources).

Hey, if you've got the patience to properly research and write a paper for plastic arts/music, power to you. No one ever bothers with those around here.

[Busomjack]

Norskatt, I think what you're trying to say is that not all athletes compete in sports. This is true but that is not my point.

My point is that a sport involves athletes.

If you're trying to say that someone doesn't necessarily have to be an athlete to participate in a sport well then yeah I suppose that's true. You need to be an athlete to do well at a sport though and we're talking about professional competitive sports, not amateur events. So obviously when discussing sports we should be talking about athletes.

And yeah, what Skadi said.  Way to take a definition out of context.

Modifié par Busomjack, 27 avril 2010 - 02:45 .

[ImperialOperative]

Dethateer wrote...

Hey, if you've got the patience to properly research and write a paper for plastic arts/music, power to you. No one ever bothers with those around here.

Oh, if it's for an art class then it doesn't really matter.

[Busomjack]

The Grey Spectre wrote...

Busomjack wrote...

The Grey Spectre wrote...

Now you're adding conditions. We could debate semantics and terminology all f*cking month, and it will never make a difference.

It doesn't take rocket science to figure it out.  If it involves a physical aspect, it's a sport.  If not, it's not.  Nothing I have said has contradicted this basic, commonly defined principle which applies to all athletics.
Gaming is sedentary and thus not a sport.

So if I walk to the kitchen to get some water and then return to my game, will that fill your "conditions" for hunting, which you claimed to require movement in order to be a sport.

No because a sport needs to involve some sort of challenge and/or obstacle to overcome.

[Norskatt]

If you actually read the definition of SPORT you would see that clearly it doesn't require physical activity...it can simply be a diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you might consider to be a sport could be completely different than the true definition of the word.

I wouldn't confuse Athletics with sports because the two are different.


 ath·let·ics
n.  

(used with a sing. or pl. verb)

• Activities, such as sports, exercises, and games, that require physical skill and stamina.

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mathletics

[Busomjack]

Celrath wrote...

 First lets define Sport
Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill,  physical prowess and stamina and often of a competitive nature. 


Okay, according to that a DDR Competition Would be consider a sport 

DDR is a video game


Therefor some gaming competitions can be called sports, but to call all gaming competitions sport would be not be correct. 

The CPL doesn't have DDR or any game that requires physical activity though.  Their games involve Starcraft, Unreal, Quake III, WOW, that kind of stuff.
I guess if someone wanted to turn playing DDR into a competitive event, it could be considered an exception.

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[Norskatt]

Celrath wrote...

 First lets define Sport
Sport - an athletic activity requiring skill,  physical prowess and stamina and often of a competitive nature. 


Okay, according to that a DDR Competition Would be consider a sport 

DDR is a video game


Therefore some gaming competitions can be called sports, but to call all gaming competitions sport would be not be correct.

Cel, you can't just take the first line of a definition, you must use all of them to truly comprehend the entire meaning.

SPORT (From dictionary.com)

1.an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a
competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling,
wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

2.a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.

3.diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

4.jest; fun; mirth; pleasantry: What he said in sport was taken seriously.

5.mockery; ridicule; derision: They made sport of him.

6.an object of derision; laughingstock.

7.something treated lightly or tossed about like a plaything.

8.something or someone subject to the whims or vicissitudes of fate, circumstances, etc.

9.a sportsman.


10.Informal. a person who behaves in a sportsmanlike, fair, or
admirable manner; an accommodating person: He was a sport and took his
defeat well.

11.Informal. a person who is interested in sports as an occasion for gambling; gambler.


12.Informal. a flashy person; one who wears showy clothes, affects
smart manners, pursues pleasurable pastimes, or the like; a bon vivant.

[Cascadus]

Like it or not, video-gaming is a sport now. Technically called an 'e-sport', actually. It's already happening, and it's already swept Korea. StarCraft's swept the country there. There are entire channels devoted to airing it, professional teams, sponsorships, events and money are all commonplace there. They aren't kidding when they see it's the biggest sport in the region. Then we've got the World Cyber Games and a large array of other events.

An athlete is commonly defined as not someone who is good at physical activity, but good at a sport. That's how dart throwers can be called athletes, and that's how video gamers can be called them too.

[Busomjack]

Norskatt wrote...

If you actually read the definition of SPORT you would see that clearly it doesn't require physical activity...it can simply be a diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you might consider to be a sport could be completely different than the true definition of the word.

I wouldn't confuse Athletics with sports because the two are different.


 ath·let·ics
n.  

(used with a sing. or pl. verb)

• Activities, such as sports, exercises, and games, that require physical skill and stamina.

Just look at all the other lines in the definition you posted.  It's obvious that the diversion, recreation and pleasent past time refer to events that are physical in nature.
As Skadi said earlier, if the above referred to just any diversion, recreation or pleasent past time then anything such as picking your nose, reading a book, watching TV, talking on the phone, etc could be considered a sport.

You're taking the definition out of context.

Sports are athletics even according to the definition you posted.

Modifié par Busomjack, 27 avril 2010 - 02:55 .

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