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Due to the sheer amount of support for all the squadmates of Mass Effect 2, I believe we who believe there should be an import feature to have your surviving crew (or whole crew, of course) be your team against the Reapers in Mass Effect 3! Reasons, you ask?

Well, those who understand the "trilogy" archetype, know that from ME1 to ME2, it followed it almost exactly. For those who don't know, here's the gist:

From the first entry to the second entry of any planned trilogy, be it movies or comics, radical changes are introduced. Obviously, working for Cerberus, getting a new Normandy, a new crew, a new threat, and oh yea, Dying, are considered major changes in my opinion.

However, from the second to third entry, no Radical changes are made, and no real plot chages are introduced. Basically, you now know what you have to: Stop the Reapers, because they are all thats left to fight. Same goes for who the main character works with. The experience and connection you have on the story would be dulled if your team were mere cameos in the next installment.

Besides, you were told at the beginning to assemble the BEST of the BEST! How exactly do you step up from that with a whole new team? Now, I'm not stating there shouldn't be new members. I mean, collecting members is almost integral in ANY trilogy-RPG setting. I merely think your existing team should stick with you in a galactic threat, with new additions, of course!

Face it, most of us do not want to part with any of our diverse squaddies, so show your support and lets bring them with us!

This thread can also be used to discuss how having your old team can play out in the beginning off ME3, particular scenario with a certain character, and anything that relates! Have fun!

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I99I Dragoon wrote...

No One Gets Left Behind- ME2 Squadmates import to ME3 Support Thread!

ME2 Squadmates import to ME3 Support Thread!

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You heard it from the Commander himself. This thread is made of win.

Incidentally, I agree entirely on your argument about trilogies. I've said the same thing myself several times.

Also: vote to make your voices heard.

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In an interview in GameInformer, Casey mentions ME2 squadmates and ME3:



Interviewer: Certain party members from the first game can berecruited in Mass Effect 2. Does that mean we'll see characters from this game make a return in ME 3?



Casey: You will definitely be able to see characters from Mass Effect 2 in Mass Effect 3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. It's a challenge for sure, but it's also going to be a huge payoff for players of the Mass Effect trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and storylines started by the first two games.

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I99I Dragoon

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true, but who knows if he means as actual members or just cameos

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edit : ninja'd by I99I Dragoon (and they were much more concise than I was as well :P)

InHarmsWay wrote...

In an interview in GameInformer, Casey mentions ME2 squadmates and ME3:

Interviewer: Certain party members from the first game can berecruited in Mass Effect 2. Does that mean we'll see characters from this game make a return in ME 3?

Casey: You will definitely be able to see characters from Mass Effect 2 in Mass Effect 3, as long as they're alive in the end of your story. It's a challenge for sure, but it's also going to be a huge payoff for players of the Mass Effect trilogy to see what happens with all these characters and storylines started by the first two games.


I REALLY hate to point out this out, (because I want to have my favorite squaddies with me in ME 3), but you should notice that nowhere in your quote does Casey mention that ME 2 squaddies will be returning as squaddies in ME 3, he just says that they will be there, kinda like Liara and Kaiden/Ashley were in ME 2 :(.

I hope that this is just him being cryptic and not wanting to reveal anything, rather than a hint that there'll be a whole new squad in ME 3

Modifié par Conall Cameron, 27 avril 2010 - 07:33 .


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I99I Dragoon

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Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...

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I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


A lot since all but two of them are dead.

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yes

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I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


To me, it would make no sense whatsoever. On the other hand, it COULD make sense to lose some squaddies like Legion (returns to the Geth to help prep for the Reapers :(), Tali'Zorah (returns to the flotilla to prep. for Reapers :crying:), and Thane  (dies :unsure:).

Even though I don't want to lose any of them, I'm worried that any squaddies could be given  "believeable" and "acceptable"  reasons for why they are demoted to cameos in ME 3

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Nozybidaj wrote...

I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


A lot since all but two of them are dead.


True, but I'm merely stating that they will just give you a brand new "best biotic" if your Jack or Samara is dead?

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I really want my crew from ME2 plus some from new crewmembers to replace the two that died in my game.

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First, no killed or all killed makes no difference. Any ME3 opening plot twist will make it even for everybody: paragons, renegades and newbies.

Secondly, no matter what people think & say they want, in fact they don't want all squadmates to be back (click here for details), which leaves us with Liara and Virmire survivor as the only legit recruitable comebacks.

@ OP
Good picture you got there, though. Zaeed with BFG Cain... Makes sense.
And evil-looking TIM towering on top of all of them.
But Legion should have gotten a Widow!

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Eh I personally like to see the return of the dirty Dozen, including Zaweed and Kasumi. They shouldn't be just there. Heck I could see after the mission that any unloyal members leave etc. If your squad is dead, then you should be hurting for squad-mates, why should you get replacements? I honestly don't think you should.

Of course new comers will get the full squad anyway.... but yeah, I see little to no reason why the dirty dozen should leave if they are all loyal and living. Greater threat to the galaxy is the reapers after all.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

First, no killed or all killed makes no
difference. Any ME3
opening plot twist will make it even for everybody: paragons,
renegades and newbies.

Secondly, no matter what people think
& say they want, in fact they don't want all squadmates to be back (click
here for details), which leaves us with Liara and Virmire survivor
as the only legit recruitable comebacks.


Zulu, both of those are fan opinons and fan polls that have limited and bias choice options for polls. They also said that if you killed your squadmates, you get less content. As soon as someone gets someone from bioware saying "your squadmates from ME2 will be returning limited roles or whatever." then everyone will accept it, till then, anything goes because everyone can make an logical case as to why or why they should or should not return.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

First, no killed or all killed makes no difference. Any ME3 opening plot twist will make it even for everybody: paragons, renegades and newbies.


This I definitely agree with.  The opening of ME3 is going to put every Shep on equal footing.

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Nozybidaj wrote...

I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


A lot since all but two of them are dead.

So why should you be rewarded for being bad at video games?

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

First, no killed or all killed makes no difference. Any ME3 opening plot twist will make it even for everybody: paragons, renegades and newbies.

Secondly, no matter what people think & say they want, in fact they don't want all squadmates to be back (click here for details), which leaves us with Liara and Virmire survivor as the only legit recruitable comebacks.

@ OP
Good picture you got there, though. Zaeed with BFG Cain... Makes sense.


I disagree. These squadmates in ME2 can be worked in, I believe. Maybe not full on interactive dialog as soon as you boot up Mass Effect 3, but rather a cinematic like the suicide mission. If they were killed off in ME2, they wouldn't show up, and there would be an empty space. But dialog later on, such as interacting with the members between or during missions, is fairly plausible.

However, of course I agree with the whole "start at level 1, plus import bonuses"  completely. As for people who havent played ME1, give them a default group (maybe Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Mordin, idk)

Oh, and that pic ain't mine, its a fellow fans, but its used by nearly every other fan as a wallpaper lol

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ResidentNoob wrote...

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Somebody, lock this petition already!

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


A lot since all but two of them are dead.

So why should you be rewarded for being bad at video games?


Why should you be rewarded for taking the ezmode and getting everyone out alive?  It actually takes more planning to make sure you kill the right people. 

Snide comments aside, no where in the ME series has BW ever made a clear cut distinction that one choice is "the right" choice over another.  No choice in ME1 or ME2 has "punished" a player for making a "wrong" choice.  All choices get you to the same finish line, just in different flavors.

I imagine the "suicide mission" will follow the same format.

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Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...
They also said that if you killed your squadmates, you get less content.


Naturally. Less Cameos. looks good enough for me. I've never experienced Conrad's cameo, Shiala's cameo, Rana Tanoptis's cameo, Helena Blake's cameo, Wrex's cameo, "Ah, yes... Reapers" airquotes. And I am fine with that.

But I'll feel ripped off grossly, if I lose half a ME3, just because I made my "suicide mission" feel a little like a bloody business and not a girl scout picnic. And have another half trashed with remaining characters' daddy issues.

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Are you seriously saying that it's better to kill everyone because it's harder? Really? The fact that you get killed if you manage to kill everyone indicates otherwise.



Snide comments aside, in-universe, killing all/most of the squad means one of two things: Commander Shepard is a vindictive idiot (derp you're not Liara so I'll kill you), or incompetent (loyalty? Is that like a new gun or something?). Neither is in character for Commander Shepard--you can manipulate a lot of Shepard's character, but not that s/he is so butthurt about their waifu not being on the ship they're willing to risk the whole mission.



And you HAVE been punished for wrong choices--with a lack of content. Don't have the points in Persuade/Intimidate? You don't get extra dialog, you don't get extra reward. Killed someone in the first game? No side quest for them in the second game.

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enormousmoonboots wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I99I Dragoon wrote...

Like I said, how much sense could it make if you had a whole new squad, since your ME2 squad is the best of the best...


A lot since all but two of them are dead.

So why should you be rewarded for being bad at video games?


Actually, that would mean you're good at video games, since getting certain people killed is a lot harder than keeping everyone alive.