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[DarthRevan4life]

So I thought of a few theories for Mass Effect 3, let me know what you all think.

1. Team Members - They can return if they die.  I only say this because we know Shepard was brought back to life.  Granted it took two years and the Reaper threat seems more imminent however we know the technology is there.  At the end of the game if you lost any team member, their coffin is convenienty aboard the Normandy.  Is it filled or purely ceremonial?  I'm not saying whatever member was taken by the Seeker Swarms body was recovered but you get my point.

2. Genophage will be cured - This has been a major plot in both games thus far and depending on your choice in Mordin's loyalty mission you.  It is also stated in one of the after mission reports that the Krogans would make great shock troops against any ground forces the Reapers may have, another subtle hint maybe?

3. Earth will play a role - Earth is constantly mentioned, either in Codex from Kasumi's mission or brief dialogue on it from Mass Effect 1.  I know Earth was mentioned in an audio interview with Casey Hudson saying it will play a role...I will try to locate the link.

4.  TIM will be evil - Not saying he's not now...but Mass Effect 2 missed that integral villain as Saren was in Mass Effect 1.  Obviously the Reapers are the main threat, but somehow I just feel that TIM/Cerberus will play a role with the Reapers.

5.  Joker will die - Joker is one of the original characters and of the very few that can't die in either game.  Ok he can die in his little mission on board the Normandy but that's not permanent.  He appears to be close with Shepard after all they've been through and I can easily see Bioware pulling this off based on maybe a decision we've made already or something that will happen in Mass Effect 3.

6.  Earth (Humanity) vs. Council Races - Now I think a great Renegade/Paragon option will be to either save Earth or humanity as a whole but all other sentient life will be wiped out...this would also play right into Cerberus's hands so maybe TIM will have some involvement as his ultimate goal is the advancement of the human race over all others...how perfect would it be for that to happen as it makes perfect sense.  To me this would be a hard decision.

7. Geth vs. Quarians - Now they could go to war and you could possibly lose one/both potential allies in the coming war with the Reapers or you could unite them both and have stronger allies.  This is hinted at in Mass Effect 2 with the option of supporting the war or not doing so.  Who knows, maybe supporting the war and than say letting Legion transmit the info he took from Tali plays a huge part...or it doesn't depending on your choices.

8.  Epic Space Battle - I can't remember where I read this, but Casey Hudson stated depending on our decisions there would be an epic space battle.  But in Mass Effect 2, you worked on getting the loyalty of indviduals, as in DA:O, I suspect we'll be getting the loyalty of council races, even those not part of the council. 

Well those are my theories, have at them.

[DarthRevan4life]

One bump to try & get some discussion going.

[Dethateer]

Erm, spoilers, much?

[Looper128]

Dethateer wrote...



Erm, spoilers, much?

Mass Effect 2 Official Campaign Quests and Storylines (Spoilers Warning)



topic: This sounds really interesting some of it feels a bit obvious for said reason clues given in the game/s. I really like your whole theory about TIM being a antagonist in ME3 and the whole idea about saving earth or not. I would love if you like got the choice: Ok shepard we can save earth but if we do that we will lose mostly all other intelligent life in the galaxy or we can sacrifice our galaxy and save all others we at least have all our colonies left! We can rebuild! I dont think this will happen though but it would be really cool



I actually dont think joker will die but if he do it will probably be something like: At the end of the game we get some really epic scene so everyone will think oh noes! Shepard will die! Then Joker comes swussing in on the Normandy and sacrifices himself for him.



And I would LOVE an epic space battle I mean Rachni, Salarians, Turians, Geths, Humans and so on all together VS the reapers.. lol I can already imagine shepard running around jelling "A BLIGHT IS COMING! EVERYONE GET ON YOUR MOTHA***ING SHIPS!* =p

[Reptilian Rob]

If, indeed there are leviathan sized epic space battles, Bioware will have cemented themselves as gods in my mind.



"And on the second day, god said, let there be epic space battles, and it was good, and the people rejoiced."

[Tooneyman]

If they do. Do epic space battles. I want to play them in the RPG fashion like we did in the ME 1. Watching sovergien in the background killing spaceships and trying to latch itself onto the citadel was an epic scene for me graphics wise

[Aztag09]

how could the teammates who died in ME2 return, depending on your decision in the suicide mission to do with the Collector Base, the bodies would be destroyed either way. Also i don't think that the costs to bring someone back to life would be able to bring your teammates back to,ofe would be enormous.

[SkullandBonesmember]

DarthRevan4life wrote...

1. Team Members - They can return if they die.  I only say this because we know Shepard was brought back to life.  Granted it took two years and the Reaper threat seems more imminent however we know the technology is there.  At the end of the game if you lost any team member, their coffin is convenienty aboard the Normandy.  Is it filled or purely ceremonial?  I'm not saying whatever member was taken by the Seeker Swarms body was recovered but you get my point.

Possible.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

2. Genophage will be cured - This has been a major plot in both games thus far and depending on your choice in Mordin's loyalty mission you.  It is also stated in one of the after mission reports that the Krogans would make great shock troops against any ground forces the Reapers may have, another subtle hint maybe?

Probable.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

3. Earth will play a role - Earth is constantly mentioned, either in Codex from Kasumi's mission or brief dialogue on it from Mass Effect 1.  I know Earth was mentioned in an audio interview with Casey Hudson saying it will play a role...I will try to locate the link.

Probable.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

4.  TIM will be evil - Not saying he's not now...but Mass Effect 2 missed that integral villain as Saren was in Mass Effect 1.  Obviously the Reapers are the main threat, but somehow I just feel that TIM/Cerberus will play a role with the Reapers.

Possible.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

5.  Joker will die - Joker is one of the original characters and of the very few that can't die in either game.  Ok he can die in his little mission on board the Normandy but that's not permanent.  He appears to be close with Shepard after all they've been through and I can easily see Bioware pulling this off based on maybe a decision we've made already or something that will happen in Mass Effect 3.

NOOOOOOOO!  

DarthRevan4life wrote...

6.  Earth (Humanity) vs. Council Races - Now I think a great Renegade/Paragon option will be to either save Earth or humanity as a whole but all other sentient life will be wiped out...this would also play right into Cerberus's hands so maybe TIM will have some involvement as his ultimate goal is the advancement of the human race over all others...how perfect would it be for that to happen as it makes perfect sense.  To me this would be a hard decision.

On one hand this would be GREAT storytelling, on the other, I have no idea what I'd do in that situation.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

7. Geth vs. Quarians - Now they could go to war and you could possibly lose one/both potential allies in the coming war with the Reapers or you could unite them both and have stronger allies.  This is hinted at in Mass Effect 2 with the option of supporting the war or not doing so.  Who knows, maybe supporting the war and than say letting Legion transmit the info he took from Tali plays a huge part...or it doesn't depending on your choices.

Probable.

DarthRevan4life wrote...

8.  Epic Space Battle - I can't remember where I read this, but Casey Hudson stated depending on our decisions there would be an epic space battle.  But in Mass Effect 2, you worked on getting the loyalty of indviduals, as in DA:O, I suspect we'll be getting the loyalty of council races, even those not part of the council.

Probable.

Modifié par SkullandBonesmember, 01 mai 2010 - 02:24 .

[Zulu_DFA]

If the BIG CHOICES have any meaning, and thereforу there acually are right and wrong ones, then I'd say we get strong hints, that saving the Council was wrong (neutral option kills the Council and "Ah yes, Reapers" airquotes prove them to be worhtless) and destroying the C-Base was right (squadmates' second-guessing).

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 mai 2010 - 10:40 .

[StormenDK]

Wouldn't the choice between Earth/Humanity and the Council races, be just a bigger variant of the final decision in ME1?? ... I would be hugely disappointed if I had to make the same kind of decision again.



Also if you save humanity, how would all the alien squad members react?? ... unless it is the final thing just before the credits, I can't see Samara, Tali, Grunt, Garrus etc. be very happy with Shep. for the rest of the game.

[Jade Elf]

I have a feeling TIM/Cerberus will betray Shep one way or the other. If Shep destroyed the base and told TIM to sod off, then he certainly has reason to. And even if Shep doesn't destroy the base, TIM could decide that Shep is no longer needed after that.

[StormenDK]

Jade Elf wrote...

I have a feeling TIM/Cerberus will betray Shep one way or the other. If Shep destroyed the base and told TIM to sod off, then he certainly has reason to. And even if Shep doesn't destroy the base, TIM could decide that Shep is no longer needed after that.

I think that is more or less a given ... whatever your decision is with TIM, it will come back to bite Shep in the ass. If he got his hands on the station, he is going to do something with it that is going to put Shepard in an awkward position, and if you destroyed it and flipped him off, then I am sure he is going to take it badly.

[Sergiyftw]

I personally think that if wrex survived, then the Krogan will get a seat in the council eventually..

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

StormenDK wrote...

Wouldn't the choice between Earth/Humanity and the Council races, be just a bigger variant of the final decision in ME1?? ... I would be hugely disappointed if I had to make the same kind of decision again.

Also if you save humanity, how would all the alien squad members react?? ... unless it is the final thing just before the credits, I can't see Samara, Tali, Grunt, Garrus etc. be very happy with Shep. for the rest of the game.

Well, their views won't matter... if they died on the suicide mission

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If the BIG
CHOICES have any meaning, and thereforу there acually are right and
wrong ones, then I'd say we get strong hints, that saving the Council
was wrong (neutral option kills the Council and "Ah yes, Reapers"
airquotes prove them to be worhtless) and destroying the C-Base was
right (squadmates' second-guessing).

Trouble is, I don't think the Human lead council is that much better (to some extent their worse). Least the original council has the quads to talk to Shepard. For all their talk at the end of ME, Udina and Anderson picked a bunch of wimps rather than the true leaders they reckoned they would.

Modifié par Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien, 02 mai 2010 - 10:00 .

[JakePT]

No one else picked up on the frequent, but subtle, mentions of 'Dark Energy'? It's clearly being set up for ME3. Perhaps it will be the key to wiping out the Reapers for good.



I also think an epic space battle will take place, all throughout ME2 it's clear that your decisions will affect who your allies will be.



It's hinted that:

-Saving the Rachni Queen will give you Rachni allies.

-Wrex surviving will give you united Krogan as allies.

-Reprogramming the Heretics will give you them as allies.

-Your actions in the migrant fleet may end up with you gaining the geth or quarians, or both as allies, or neither if they go to war against each other.

-Keeping or destroying the Collector Base may affect the technology available to use against the Reapers.



I'd imagine there'll be a bunch on decisions in ME3 that will also affect things also, possibly also giving you an opportunity to salvage relationships with potential allies that you soured in past games, just to avoid being unfair to Paragons/Renegades or whatever.



One thing I do not want is for such a space battle to involve the player controlling the Normandy. This is an RPG where we play as Shepard, I think it will be much more fun and interesting if the battle is directed by giving orders through dialogue from the CIC.

[askanec]

Turning TIM into the antagonist just seems weak. He's a great character, moving things along while Shepard is basically bumbling in the dark. Were it all left to Shepard, all the humans in the Terminus system would get abducted before he gets a clue.



If anything, TIM should be the human representative on the Council. At least he understands the importance of action and producing results, while the useless fools I selected in ME1 are content to just sit on their thumbs.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Terrorist leaders don't make good Council representatives of an entire species.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

If the BIG
CHOICES have any meaning, and thereforу there acually are right and
wrong ones, then I'd say we get strong hints, that saving the Council
was wrong (neutral option kills the Council and "Ah yes, Reapers"
airquotes prove them to be worhtless) and destroying the C-Base was
right (squadmates' second-guessing).

Trouble is, I don't think the Human lead council is that much better (to some extent their worse). Least the original council has the quads to talk to Shepard. For all their talk at the end of ME, Udina and Anderson picked a bunch of wimps rather than the true leaders they reckoned they would.

It doesn't matter what race the blabberers in suits/robes sit hign in the Citadel Tower. It's the number of dreadnoughts that may come to count. And it's higher when the arms race between he Humans and the Turians ensues in the aftermath of Council's death and Humans overtaking the leadership.

askanec wrote...
Turning TIM into the antagonist just seems weak. He's a great character, moving things along while Shepard is basically bumbling in the dark. Were it all left to Shepard, all the humans in the Terminus system would get abducted before he gets a clue.

I think this as well. But, logically, as ME1-3 is a game, there should be equal penalty/reward for paragon/renegade choices.

askanec wrote...
If anything, TIM should be the human representative on the Council. At least he understands the importance of action and producing results, while the useless fools I selected in ME1 are content to just sit on their thumbs.

No. TIM is best in his current position. He qualifies for a galactic emperor too. But he has no place among worthless morons.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 02 mai 2010 - 05:56 .

[Archereon]

askanec wrote...

Turning TIM into the antagonist just seems weak. He's a great character, moving things along while Shepard is basically bumbling in the dark. Were it all left to Shepard, all the humans in the Terminus system would get abducted before he gets a clue.

If anything, TIM should be the human representative on the Council. At least he understands the importance of action and producing results, while the useless fools I selected in ME1 are content to just sit on their thumbs.

TIM is a Wanabe Palptatine!

If you gave him the Collector base, than that status has changed from wanabe to "Palpatine in progress."

Mark my words, he'll seize power in the name of "The greater good", and won't give it up.

[sumof all fear]

Bear in mind, future DLC and expansions could well alter all that we know about ME2 and the possibility for ME3.



We don't know yet and until we know, I personally will reserve judgment on all these theories I've been seeing.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

forgot about the leviathan of Dis that we keep hearing about. And that volus dude who keeps going off on his searches for floating gods whatever and seeks the graves of the dead or whatever.

[jmood88]

Tooneyman wrote...

If they do. Do epic space battles. I want to play them in the RPG fashion like we did in the ME 1.

This statement makes absolutely no sense.

[jmood88]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

forgot about the leviathan of Dis that we keep hearing about..

It was mentioned in a description for a planet in Mass Effect, it hasn't been talked about at all in the game.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

jmood88 wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

If they do. Do epic space battles. I want to play them in the RPG fashion like we did in the ME 1.

This statement makes absolutely no sense.

does if you know the context.

It was the situation with the alliance fleet. "Save the council." or bumrush past them and hit soverign.