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[Ziggy]

Mass effect 2 is all about sales. Bioware has pulled all the stops, ignored all the minority groups, and created a game that will appeal to the undeniable heart of the gaming community: men who don't want to grow up.

And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
Can you really blame them for that? I think you can.
There is already a thread arguing for the latter. This thread is about the former.

Not only has femshep been virtually ignored from day one

• No publicity
• No effort put into the default character
• Shepard's movements are very masculine

but now with ME2, female gamers have as well.
ME2's representation of women is straight out of an immature boy's fantasy:

• Female characters wear ridiculously formfitting and revealing outfits and high heels (even in combat)
• Camera angles shamelessly feature Miranda's ass so prominently and frequently that it has it's own dedicated following
• Strippers in bars, and Kelly who wants nothing more than to dress up and dance for you personally

And what do women get?
I think Jacob's romance dialogue is the most telling of all: Bioware not only thinks men want to see women as sexually available objects, they actually think women like it: "But the priiiiiiiiiiize".

How wrong they are.

To be clear, I am not trying to take sex or sexiness out of games. I like sex and nudity as much as the next person. But not like this. There is no nudity in ME2 because in this context it would practically be porn. Bioware needs to take a more respectful, real and mature approach to sex and romance and, if they do, I think you'll find you'll see more, not less.


 

Modifié par Em23, 28 avril 2010 - 09:32 .

[Hattie]

Brilliant post!

I hope bioware sees this.



The box may say 'mature' but the game most certainly is not.

[The BBC]

Being a person of color, I think you should get used to less than amazing representation in video games no matter who makes it. This isn't something new, nor is it something limited to Bioware. I'm actually glad they allowed me to customize my Shepard so he reflects me and what I look like. Game developers have to appeal to the lowest common denominator if they want sales (and they should its their jobs) and not surprisingly the biggest demographic is young males so that's who they go after. Don't get me wrong I feel your pain, most people of color in video games are nothing more than stereotypes but I wouldn't put the blame at the foot of Bioware.

[Kryyptehk]

The thing that makes me angry is that they could make a custom body for Tali, Miranda, Jack and most important female character, but FemShep looks like a dude with boobs and a girl's head. I'm not saying I want to wear Miranda's latex armor or Jack's belt, but that armor does not look realistic. Those shoulder pads alone are ridiculous. Shepard is a soldier, not a knight. The only people I see wearing that heavy of armor is bomb squad.



And I agree that Bioware is disrespectful. It kind of seems like they don't really want women playing their game. They want you to play Sheploo, not be gay, not be a woman and be renegade. To be honest, I don't really know why they gave the option to be a woman if they were going to make her FemJohn Shepard.



ME1 was better about treating FemShep like a real gender, instead of a female version of John. And I actually prefer the second game, except for this one issue.

[Collider]

And I agree that Bioware is disrespectful. It kind of seems like they don't really want women playing their game.

That's why they have the Kaidan, Thane, Garrus, and Jacob romances. To be disrespectful to women. Makes perfect sense

[Hattie]

Mass effect 1 was good. They narrowed changed their target audience for ME2. No fair.

[Kryyptehk]

The BBC wrote...

Being a person of color, I think you should get used to less than amazing representation in video games no matter who makes it. This isn't something new, nor is it something limited to Bioware. I'm actually glad they allowed me to customize my Shepard so he reflects me and what I look like. Game developers have to appeal to the lowest common denominator if they want sales (and they should its their jobs) and not surprisingly the biggest demographic is young males so that's who they go after. Don't get me wrong I feel your pain, most people of color in video games are nothing more than stereotypes but I wouldn't put the blame at the foot of Bioware.

I understand that, and I don't have as much of a problem with Miranda as I have with FemShep being a twin of Sheploo.

[Collider]

FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.

[Hattie]

Collider wrote...

FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.

Who moves like a man.

[Never]

Hattie wrote...

Brilliant post!
I hope bioware sees this.

The box may say 'mature' but the game most certainly is not.

Agreed, agreed and agreed!

[Collider]

Hattie wrote...

Collider wrote...

FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.

Who moves like a man.

Male Shepard walks like a ****** too.

[SP One Nineteen]

Yeah, its all about the demographics. I fall into their targeted group and all i can say is i hope bioware can make a game that doesn't completely stereotype women and men (in the context that all we 17 year olds care about is Miranda's ass).



FemShep just might as well be a guy with that one chromosomal disorder that makes a guy develop boobs. Otherwise her attitude depicts that of a completely over-masculinified female soldier.



Btw, its Liara's ass we really care about kthxbai.

[Collider]

Or you could just not do them, scyphoza.

[Shotokanguy]

Are you people kidding me? First off, the animations in ME1 were fine. ME2's run is fine for both genders, and the walking animation is BAD for both genders.



Second, what characters other than Miranda and Samara wear extremely sexual outfits? Morinth is all about sex and look at what she wears half the time!



Strippers? In bars?! OH NO! HOW DISRESPECTFUL! The very idea!



What makes you think Kelly "wants nothing more" than to be Shepard's private dancer? That's just a little bonus fun thing at the end of the game.

[cruc1al]

Collider wrote...

Or you could just not do them, scyphoza.

How are you supposed to know not to do them before you've tried them and seen they're corny?

[Collider]

cruc1al wrote...

Collider wrote...

Or you could just not do them, scyphoza.

How are you supposed to know not to do them before you've tried them and seen they're corny?

The internet and word of mouth. And precedence.

[Caozen]

I always thought the perspective on sexually exposed women and the romances involved in this series were more akin to your average Sci-Fi television series love romp. That's just me, though.

[cruc1al]

Shotokanguy wrote...

Second, what characters other than Miranda and Samara wear extremely sexual outfits? Morinth is all about sex and look at what she wears half the time!

How is that relevant? Miranda and Samara still wear extremely sexual outfits where it makes no sense for them to do so especially in combat. Tali's and Kasumi's outfits are very formfitting too, they're just not that revealing. And all Jack wears is a belt around her chest.

[Ziggy]

The BBC wrote...

Being a person of color, I think you should get used to less than amazing representation in video games no matter who makes it. This isn't something new, nor is it something limited to Bioware. I'm actually glad they allowed me to customize my Shepard so he reflects me and what I look like. Game developers have to appeal to the lowest common denominator if they want sales (and they should its their jobs) and not surprisingly the biggest demographic is young males so that's who they go after. Don't get me wrong I feel your pain, most people of color in video games are nothing more than stereotypes but I wouldn't put the blame at the foot of Bioware.

I don't think we have to take it lying down. I liked ME1 and feel bioware sold us out in this respect with ME2.

[Ryzaki]

:happy:

cruc1al wrote...

Shotokanguy wrote...

Second, what characters other than Miranda and Samara wear extremely sexual outfits? Morinth is all about sex and look at what she wears half the time!

How is that relevant? Miranda and Samara still wear extremely sexual outfits where it makes no sense for them to do so especially in combat. Tali's and Kasumi's outfits are very formfitting too, they're just not that revealing. And all Jack wears is a belt around her chest.

And the only person who makes sense is Jack.

I don't mind the strippers. Actually to me there were wearing *too* many clothes but that's another discussion.

Miranda and Samara make me facepalm though. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 27 avril 2010 - 11:30 .

[Urdnot_Write]

You're seeing what you want to see.

Jacob is in the game to ALLOW FemSheps to be more sexually aggressive in their relationships. If it weren't there I can guarantee there would be a post similar to your lamenting the fact that women have to be the passive partner in their relationships. You're also forgetting that Jacob is a romance OPTION. Garrus and Thane are available as well.

Also, Kelly is a romance for both genders.

Not to completely dismiss your point, they are obviously going to cater more to their largest audience. That's just good business. They could tone it down a little, sure. Several people have already supported combat suits and fewer gratuitous ass-shots, and I'm with you there. Seriously, though, there's pointing out the excesses and then scouring a game looking for female oppression. You're definitely doing the latter.

Modifié par Urdnot_Write, 27 avril 2010 - 11:30 .

[cruc1al]

Collider wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Collider wrote...

Or you could just not do them, scyphoza.

How are you supposed to know not to do them before you've tried them and seen they're corny?

The internet and word of mouth. And precedence.

That's hardly reasonable.. You don't want to spoil the romances for yourself if they turn out to be worth doing after all.

[Darkhour]

Em23 wrote...

Mass effect 2 is all about sales. Bioware has pulled all the stops, ignored all the minority groups, and created a game that will appeal to the undeniable heart of the gaming community: men who don't want to grow up.

And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
Can you really blame them for that? I think you can.
There is already a thread arguing for the latter. This thread is about the former.

Not only has femshep been virtually ignored from day one

• No publicity
• No effort put into the default character
• Shepard's movements are very masculine

but now with ME2, female gamers have as well.
ME2's representation of women is straight out of an immature boy's fantasy:

• Female characters wear ridiculously formfitting and revealing outfits and high heels (even in combat)
• Camera angles shamelessly feature Miranda's ass so prominently and frequently that it has it's own dedicated following
• Strippers in bars, and Kelly who wants nothing more than to dress up and dance for you personally

And what do women get?
I think Jacob's romance dialogue is the most telling of all: Bioware not only thinks men want to see women as sexually available objects, they actually think women like it: "But the priiiiiiiiiiize".

How wrong they are.

To be clear, I am not trying to take sex or sexiness out of games. I like sex and nudity as much as the next person. But not like this. There is no nudity in ME2 because in this context it would practically be porn. Bioware needs to take a more respectful, real and mature approach to sex and romance and, if they do, I think you'll find you'll see more, not less.


 

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Can I have sex now?