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yes bioware listen to the wise forum god

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LOL!  Sorry, I was just using your own example about the flaming rose. 

But I see your point.  I think that the level of offense someone may take is dependant of the level of outlandishness- by a conservative standpoint, and the setting.  A gigantic flaming rose- probably not offensive to anyone.  Me with my hoop  earrings in both ears, and fro-hawk interviewing for a corporate investment banker position?  It'll probably be a short meeting.  LOL.

I could say, this is me, deal.  But if I really want the job, well, it's just hair, it doesn't define me.  And earrings can be put in at home.

Well good for you. Again it's down to being classy. And as long as you *in Tim Gunn voice* make it work why not? A subtly edgy asymmetrical haircut, pointy but comfortable shoes, a metalic tie with matching wristband and cufflings, slightly exagerated rings - They can spell your rock'n'roll-ness just as well as your intelligence at the same time. You can tone it down abit, but you shouldn't give up on "your" look.

That, and MORE IMPORTANTLY with your ivy-league degree in business, and sound knowledge of the investment market. And you just might get the job anyway.

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I can't contribute in a better way in this thread.

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

To the OP:  While I do agree that the way the relationships were handled in the first game was better, I just have to comment on the thread title...



Respect women and you'll get more sex


Most guys know that this is actually the opposite of reality.  The 'key to the mint', so to speak, is to treat women like crap.  Women with low self-esteem are more likely to jump into bed quickly. 

As myself and most other 'nice guys' know, the amount of respect you treat a woman with is inversely porportional to the number of women you receive.  Don't ask me why this is, it's something messed up inside most of your heads, and not ours.  Many guys are just willing to exploit it.  In reality, the thread title should really be...

"Disrespect women and you'll get more sex"

...as most guys learn by the end of High School.



Truth, its a trade Instant Satisfaction vs Lasting Soulmate. I am not sure why sex is always placed above everything else because anything except sex with a soulmate is no more satisfying then victory in a bar room brawl. From a mans point of view, beating someone down releases the exact same "I feel good" endophines that are released when having sex. One night stands also release some adreneline as well, expecially if you do not even know the person your going home with. Both of those feelings can also be achieved by skydiving. So the question is, do you do what you want or what you know is right?

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Palidine_0225 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

To the OP:  While I do agree that the way the relationships were handled in the first game was better, I just have to comment on the thread title...



Respect women and you'll get more sex


Most guys know that this is actually the opposite of reality.  The 'key to the mint', so to speak, is to treat women like crap.  Women with low self-esteem are more likely to jump into bed quickly. 

As myself and most other 'nice guys' know, the amount of respect you treat a woman with is inversely porportional to the number of women you receive.  Don't ask me why this is, it's something messed up inside most of your heads, and not ours.  Many guys are just willing to exploit it.  In reality, the thread title should really be...

"Disrespect women and you'll get more sex"

...as most guys learn by the end of High School.



Truth, its a trade Instant Satisfaction vs Lasting Soulmate. I am not sure why sex is always placed above everything else because anything except sex with a soulmate is no more satisfying then victory in a bar room brawl. From a mans point of view, beating someone down releases the exact same "I feel good" endophines that are released when having sex. One night stands also release some adreneline as well, expecially if you do not even know the person your going home with. Both of those feelings can also be achieved by skydiving. So the question is, do you do what you want or what you know is right?


Well, I stated in my post that I'm in the 'nice guy' category.  I treat women as people and not sex toys.  As a result, I'm very often 'just the friend' that gets to hear how they just got dumped by their ****** boyfriend because he was only dating her to see how her insides felt.

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Palidine_0225 wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...

To the OP:  While I do agree that the way the relationships were handled in the first game was better, I just have to comment on the thread title...





Respect women and you'll get more sex


Most guys know that this is actually the opposite of reality.  The 'key to the mint', so to speak, is to treat women like crap.  Women with low self-esteem are more likely to jump into bed quickly. 

As myself and most other 'nice guys' know, the amount of respect you treat a woman with is inversely porportional to the number of women you receive.  Don't ask me why this is, it's something messed up inside most of your heads, and not ours.  Many guys are just willing to exploit it.  In reality, the thread title should really be...

"Disrespect women and you'll get more sex"

...as most guys learn by the end of High School.



Truth, its a trade Instant Satisfaction vs Lasting Soulmate. I am not sure why sex is always placed above everything else because anything except sex with a soulmate is no more satisfying then victory in a bar room brawl. From a mans point of view, beating someone down releases the exact same "I feel good" endophines that are released when having sex. One night stands also release some adreneline as well, expecially if you do not even know the person your going home with. Both of those feelings can also be achieved by skydiving. So the question is, do you do what you want or what you know is right?


Well, I stated in my post that I'm in the 'nice guy' category.  I treat women as people and not sex toys.  As a result, I'm very often 'just the friend' that gets to hear how they just got dumped by their ****** boyfriend because he was only dating her to see how her insides felt.


BRO. NOT TO OFFEND YOU BUT I FOUND A VERY FUNNY PICTURE YOU MIGHT LIKE

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Well, I stated in my post that I'm in the 'nice guy' category.  I treat women as people and not sex toys.  As a result, I'm very often 'just the friend' that gets to hear how they just got dumped by their ****** boyfriend because he was only dating her to see how her insides felt.


Hmmmm funny we are going into dating advice...but listen up.  If a woman is not thinking of you as a potential sexual partner early on she probably never will.  You need to sniff out if she is interested and if she is not you need to bail (as anything but a friend, not necessarily physically) before you find yourself becoming emotionally involved.  Whether or not you are a nice guy or a jerk you need to  move on fast and find one who does think of you that way.

If she thinks of you as a friend you can spend the rest of your life trying to get her to think otherwise and it ain't going anywhere.  That is not to say it is impossible, because it has been done, but it is unlikely enough to not be worth your time and emotional investment.

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Are people really complaining that FemShep is too "masculine", and that her armor is too bulky and, apparently, not sexy enough? And then simultaneously complaining about Miranda, and the fact that strip clubs have strippers in them? Jesus, give me a break.

FemShep is a VERY strong and admirable female lead, and there are numerous other strong female characters in the game. Aria, Tali, Ashley, Samara, the no-nonsense Detective Anaya -- even Liara has turned into a very powerful and capable figure who is not terribly sexualized and yet certainly not without her feminine charms. Although I guess maybe Samara doesn't count because she shows cleavage, nevermind the fact that she has the wisdom of a milennia and displays physical and mental fortitude in spades *eyeroll*.

There is a very broad range of females that this game portrays, and frankly I think FemShep is fantastic. From a male perspective I don't find her manly, but she is tough and capable in a very realistic way. I absolutely believe that that woman can save the galaxy. If FemShep were made all feminized with sexy armor and a hip-swaying walk, we'd just get an equal number of posts complaining that Bioware was sexualizing FemShep so that people wouldn't take her seriously instead of allowing her to be a proper soldier.

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Em23 wrote...

ME2's representation of women is straight out of an immature boy's fantasy:

  • Female characters wear ridiculously formfitting and revealing outfits and high heels (even in combat)

Welcome to the world of video games.

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Major Mittens wrote...


[*]Welcome to the world of video games.

[*]Or entertainment in general.  Film, TV, and games are filled with beautiful people in skimpy outfits.

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Sago_mulch wrote...

BRO. NOT TO OFFEND YOU BUT I FOUND A VERY FUNNY PICTURE YOU MIGHT LIKE


Image snipped, but it's funny.  I actually have zero focus on sex, myself.  I want an actual connection with someone before that step.  Sadly, there are guys that do try to be manipulative like that.  Which, as stated on page 2 by someone, is one of the 3 top qualities women want in a guy.  Narcissism, recklessness, and decietfulness.

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All this "nice guys finish last" generalizing is just a bunch of crap, and this is coming from a guy who was the typical "friend" when I was younger.

Women don't like to be mistreated, nice guys can get plenty of action. However, what you DO need to be is confident, assertive, and interesting. Women don't like a-holes, but if you're boring and deferential there will be no spark, no force of personality to attract them. Sadly, confidence and a-hole-ness often go hand-in-hand, and so there you have where the generalization comes from. The women who get tired of those guys will likely find the "safe" option later in life; hence where the other half of the generalization comes from.

It is perfectly possible to be both, though. Just sac up, find a girl, talk to her and be natural, charm the socks off her, and watch her be pleasantly surprised that you aren't a d**k.

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Valmy wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
Well, I stated in my post that I'm in the 'nice guy' category.  I treat women as people and not sex toys.  As a result, I'm very often 'just the friend' that gets to hear how they just got dumped by their ****** boyfriend because he was only dating her to see how her insides felt.


Hmmmm funny we are going into dating advice...but listen up.  If a woman is not thinking of you as a potential sexual partner early on she probably never will.  You need to sniff out if she is interested and if she is not you need to bail (as anything but a friend, not necessarily physically) before you find yourself becoming emotionally involved.  Whether or not you are a nice guy or a jerk you need to  move on fast and find one who does think of you that way.

If she thinks of you as a friend you can spend the rest of your life trying to get her to think otherwise and it ain't going anywhere.  That is not to say it is impossible, because it has been done, but it is unlikely enough to not be worth your time and emotional investment.


I don't need the advice, man.  I've got a wonderful girlfriend now.  One of the illusive 'gamer girls' that us gamer guys wish so hard for.  The one that can be best friend as well as lover.  Someone you actually *want* to be around all the time.  ;)

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...
 don't need the advice, man.  I've got a wonderful girlfriend now.  One of the illusive 'gamer girls' that us gamer guys wish so hard for.  The one that can be best friend as well as lover.  Someone you actually *want* to be around all the time.  ;)


Rock on man.  You just sounded frustrated and I wanted to help :)

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CmdrFenix83 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

BRO. NOT TO OFFEND YOU BUT I FOUND A VERY FUNNY PICTURE YOU MIGHT LIKE


Image snipped, but it's funny.  I actually have zero focus on sex, myself.  I want an actual connection with someone before that step.  Sadly, there are guys that do try to be manipulative like that.  Which, as stated on page 2 by someone, is one of the 3 top qualities women want in a guy.  Narcissism, recklessness, and decietfulness.


I COMMEND YOU THEN. FOR YOUR SENSE OF HUMOR AND MATURITY.

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Pauravi wrote...

The women who get tired of those guys will likely find the "safe" option later in life; hence where the other half of the generalization comes from.
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After some girl has slept with every bad boy in town she might go to a "nice guy" when she's about to settle down or w/e. I don't get why anyone would concede for being someones 45th choice after he/she has exhausted all other options. Seriously, think about it: "Oh well, now I've had my fun its time to settle down. Oh look theres that nice guy I used to totally ignore theres no way he'd turn me down."
Some people need to get some self-respect.

Maybe im just too much of a narcissist to ever agree to something like that.

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Bioware are sexist! That's why they put Subject Zero in the game, to apeal to men's ideals about how women should look, dress, and act, it all makes sense now!

/Sarcasm

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Valmy wrote...

CmdrFenix83 wrote...
 don't need the advice, man.  I've got a wonderful girlfriend now.  One of the illusive 'gamer girls' that us gamer guys wish so hard for.  The one that can be best friend as well as lover.  Someone you actually *want* to be around all the time.  ;)


Rock on man.  You just sounded frustrated and I wanted to help :)


Hehe, I used to be, my friend.  Those were known as 'High School years'.

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Hattie wrote...

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FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.


Who moves like a man.


They couldn't do anything about that. Imagine them having to reanimate everything for FemShep... you are talking about a ton more material as animations take a very long time to do.

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The reason male/fem shep walk like that is, it's the animation Bioware designed for the sequence when Shepard is walking on the normandy in the vaccum of space.

Modifié par Rocket Weazle, 28 avril 2010 - 08:42 .


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Unit-Alpha wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Collider wrote...

FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.


Who moves like a man.


They couldn't do anything about that. Imagine them having to reanimate everything for FemShep... you are talking about a ton more material as animations take a very long time to do.


Maybe we should really be asking the question, why doesn't MaleShep move more like a lady?  :o

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Dokarqt wrote...

Pauravi wrote...

The women who get tired of those guys will likely find the "safe" option later in life; hence where the other half of the generalization comes from.
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After some girl has slept with every bad boy in town she might go to a "nice guy" when she's about to settle down or w/e. I don't get why anyone would concede for being someones 45th choice after he/she has exhausted all other options. Seriously, think about it: "Oh well, now I've had my fun its time to settle down. Oh look theres that nice guy I used to totally ignore theres no way he'd turn me down."
Some people need to get some self-respect.

Maybe im just too much of a narcissist to ever agree to something like that.

I agree with this guy, except the narcissist I am not one, but why should you settle for being the safe guy, if a girl decided to pick to sleep around with ****s then she should live with it, it was her choice, I wouldnt be that guy because I would always feel like I was second best, and I dont like being second to some people e.g the egomaniacal kid, who thinks he is the second coming of Jesus but hes just an **** who thinks he is better than everyone else. One of my main dislikes is people who are full of themselves and just annoying.
So yeah if someone decides to make you the safe guy, ignore them you can do much better, chances are if you are the safe guy your relationship will crumble eventually as old habbits die hard. Not being sexist here because the roles can easily be reversed.

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Pauravi wrote...

There is a very broad range of females that this game portrays, and frankly I think FemShep is fantastic. From a male perspective I don't find her manly, but she is tough and capable in a very realistic way. I absolutely believe that that woman can save the galaxy.


You rock.

If FemShep were made all feminized with sexy armor and a hip-swaying walk, we'd just get an equal number of posts complaining that Bioware was sexualizing FemShep so that people wouldn't take her seriously instead of allowing her to be a proper soldier.


I would probably be one of them--  or I'd just play a male character and leave the porn star lead to the guys who "want to stare at a girl avatar" when they play. 

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Marta Rio wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Hattie wrote...

Collider wrote...

FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.


Who moves like a man.


They couldn't do anything about that. Imagine them having to reanimate everything for FemShep... you are talking about a ton more material as animations take a very long time to do.


Maybe we should really be asking the question, why doesn't MaleShep move more like a lady?  :o


Interesting point... ;)

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SuperMedbh wrote...
I would probably be one of them--  or I'd just play a male character and leave the porn star lead to the guys who "want to stare at a girl avatar" when they play. 


And once again a beautiful and feminine woman is seen as sub human and/or not competent.  Sad.