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[MarginalBeast]

SP One Nineteen wrote...

FemShep just might as well be a guy with that one chromosomal disorder that makes a guy develop boobs. Otherwise her attitude depicts that of a completely over-masculinified female soldier..

FemShep's attitude and personality are completely fine. She's a soldier first and foremost and that's what she acts like. She isn't "over-masculinified." Not every woman behaves according to society's ideal of proper femininity. What, exactly, are the problems you see in her demeanor?

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 28 avril 2010 - 01:02 .

[Comrade Bork]

While many bring up valid reasons, I feel that demanding things like this comes off as annoying. I honestly can't take someone seriously when I read posts that sound very snarky/sarcastic/angry. It always comes off as very unprofessional. Now as for "there should be more minorities in the game" statements, I feel that is just a bunch of bull. Demanding more minorities in the game leads to the idea of token minority characters. I do have to admit I didn't like Kelly's way of throwing herself at me, that seemed a little out of place. Overall though, I feel that the game was written by a predominately male team, and that was probably the main reason they couldn't relate to what a female audience would want. They tried with Thane, as the entire character was designed for females, it just may not be your tastes (same with Jacob, Garrus, and Kaiden). The case is the same with male love interests, some people love Ashley's character/romance, others find her horrible as a character/romance (again the same can be said for Liara, Tali, Jack, Kelly, and Miranda). I for one feel the developers did a stellar job on the characters in both ME1 and ME2 for both males and females.

Modifié par Comrade Bork, 28 avril 2010 - 01:24 .

[Ryzaki]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Comrade Bork wrote...
Overall though, I feel that the game was designed by a predominately male team, and that was probably the main reason they couldn't relate to what a female audience would want.

I don't know the breakdown of who is employed at Bioware, but isn't the lead gameplay designer a woman?  Would she have anything to do with LI's?  Probably not, I would think that they would have women in that department though.

If there was I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been.

"the priiize."

Ugh.

[SuperMedbh]

I don't know, maybe I'm just butch, but I like Shep's walk just fine. I even liked the fact that she kept it in evening wear-- Shep strikes me as the sort who doesn't wear heels and skirts too often. Certainly I like her walk better than the hip swaying nonsense you see in some other games. The run is all goobery, but so is BoyShep's.



I could nit pick some of my gripes (boob shaped armour, c'mon...do you see that level of form fitting on this soldier's flak jacket? http://i.telegraph.c...aq_1000014c.jpg) But as some previous posters have said, Bioware is doing a much better job than most game companies. I'm loath to pick on them when we have Lara "Mammary" Croft posing in micro shorts, or for that matter, no choice to play a woman character at all.

[Comrade Bork]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Comrade Bork wrote...
Overall though, I feel that the game was designed by a predominately male team, and that was probably the main reason they couldn't relate to what a female audience would want.

I don't know the breakdown of who is employed at Bioware, but isn't the lead gameplay designer a woman?  Would she have anything to do with LI's?  Probably not, I would think that they would have women in that department though.

That was my error, I should have used the word "written". I will edit my original post.

Modifié par Comrade Bork, 28 avril 2010 - 01:24 .

[Antiskub]

I applaud the inclusion of Femshep entirely. It goes leaps and bounds further than most any other game out there. An complete voice actor for the other gender, special dialog, reflective dialog to Shepard's gender. I may take issue with some of the other things they've done with the female construct, but what they've done with Femshep is great for females in video games.



Also, is it just me, or is every Femshep fanart I see completely different while every Maleshep is the default?

[Mars Nova]

Okay, I'm going to try and point out a couple of things to refute the OP's argument rather than simply say how much she sounds like Cooper Lawrence.  I'm sure a lot of what I'm about to say has already been said by others, but I'm going to try and be an adult here rather than resort to name calling, which is pretty much what I was doing earlier.

First off, regarding the complaint that Femshep isn't focused on at all in marketing/promo material: granted, but the majority of the gaming community is male, and it makes sense that given the choice, they would prefer to play as a male character.  I know that's the case for me.  Not that I have anything against playing as a female, mind you.  But since I'm a male I tend to play male characters.

Secondly, regarding how Femshep moves like an "overmasculized woman", or however it was that you put it, I just don't see it.  I think any "overmasculized" movements of Femshep can be chalked up to the fact that Shepard is a soldier.  Gender has nothing to do with it.

Regarding the camera focusing on Miranda's ass:  So just because the camera zooms in on her ass a couple of times, that magically negates all her character development/depth?  It's a couple of close-in shots of her butt that probably don't even last 30 seconds put together in the middle of a 40-hour game.

I would also like to point out that while, yes it is possible to get the girls in bed without romancing them, doing so will not only end the chance at a true romance, but any and all possibility of further interaction.

Mass Effect is filled with strong, competent female characters.  Ashley, Liara, Miranda, Tali, Smara, and Jack all demonstrate strength and empowerment in their own way.  Hell, Morinth does as well, even if she is a complete sociopath and unrepentant serial sex killer.  To try and say that it objectifies women and panders to "men who refuse to grow up" simply because of a percieved slight is ludicrous. 

BTW, calling the majority of the gaming population "men who refuse to grow up" doesn't really help your case at all.  It makes you sound like, well I don't know how else to say it, Cooper Lawrence.

[Antiskub]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I don't think the op is being snarky. But she is mad, dammit, and she's not gonna take it anymore!

Your a goofball.  What movie was that on?

Network.

[Comrade Bork]

Antiskub wrote...

I applaud the inclusion of Femshep entirely. It goes leaps and bounds further than most any other game out there. An complete voice actor for the other gender, special dialog, reflective dialog to Shepard's gender. I may take issue with some of the other things they've done with the female construct, but what they've done with Femshep is great for females in video games.

Also, is it just me, or is every Femshep fanart I see completely different while every Maleshep is the default?

Well default MaleShep had a dedicated face model based on a real person. I really hope they do this for ME3, instead of that mishmosh (and ugly) default FemShep.

[MEUTRIERE]

scyphozoa wrote...

Arawn-Loki wrote...
At least a year, because Wynn remarks on it.

My experience is that Mass Effect feels like it occurs over a long period of time if you do all the side missions.

thats interesting, i don't think i've ever heard that. it makes sense though as DAO unfolds in what feels like chapters (origin, ostagarr, worldmap, landsmeet)

Just thought I'd back it up by noting I, too, have heard Wynne say this. 


But on the original topic, I must be the only woman who doesn't mind the supposed 'screwing over of females'.  I mean, the majority of Mass Effect players are probably men, so it's only expected that they'd get the most attention in games.  As for the whole clothing issue for Miranda, Samara, and Jack, I have no problem with it.  Guys like boobs--that much is obvious--and if they want to grovel over some video game character's cleavage then who really gives a damn?

Obviously Sheploo is the default Shepard of both genders, so go figure he'll get the publicity.  I'd much rather just leave Sheploo to the trailers and screenshots than have Bioware half-ass some FemShep publicity just to make things 'even'.  That's just making them seem like they're trying to right some wrong of sexism where no sexism was even intended.

Also, strippers are going to be in bars.  If you really want women to stop being strippers then go out in the real world and start paying their way through college, instead of complaining about some video game.

[SP One Nineteen]

Siansonea II wrote...

Joisan wrote...

SP One Nineteen wrote...

Yeah, its all about the demographics. I fall into their targeted group and all i can say is i hope bioware can make a game that doesn't completely stereotype women and men (in the context that all we 17 year olds care about is Miranda's ass).

FemShep just might as well be a guy with that one chromosomal disorder that makes a guy develop boobs. Otherwise her attitude depicts that of a completely over-masculinified female soldier.

Btw, its Liara's ass we really care about kthxbai.

I'm actually writing a paper on this for my Gender and Women's Studies class right now.

And what chromosomal disorder are you talking about?  I've never heard of such a thing.

I believe the disorder in question is androgen insensitivity syndrome.

http://en.wikipedia....tivity_syndrome

Negative Ghost Rider.
I think it may have been...turners syndrome??? I read in my AP Bio class somewhere. All i know is that is messes up the XX (makes a female) and Xy (makes a male) chromosomes and causes development of opposite features of the sex that you are. 

DOH! thats right, it destabilizes the testosterone and/or estrogen levels in the person.

 I knew i'd remember

[Onyx Jaguar]

I facepalm at the thread title.



I don't at the points brought up, but the thread title is really ****ing stupid.

[Antiskub]

I did have an article on how they wanted to make Thane appeal to women so they took the concept around the building and asked each woman what they thought of him. I think it was only the character concept and if it was appealing. Here it is.



http://gameinformer....n-of-thane.aspx

[Hattie]

I think the topic title is appropriate.
While fox went up in arms about ME1 they backed off when the realized is was well done and tasteful. If there was nudity in ME2 they and many others would have a justifiable argument. Heavy rain got away with it because it felt like a 'real', mature, adult game. In ME2 it would be tastless and is never going to happen. Treat the romances and female characters more maturely and respectfully and sex and nudity will be more readily accepted.

Modifié par Hattie, 28 avril 2010 - 01:44 .

[SuperMedbh]

Pretty sure it's a Lysistrata reference, Onyx, which is kinda ironic given that FemShep is a soldier. As to whether it was apropos: it gets people's attention, but on the other hand it does diminish the serious intent of the thread.

[Ecael]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I facepalm at the thread title.

Considering the thread is generalizing both women and men as well as labeling BioWare as prejudiced and malicious, there's much more to facepalm about than just the thread title.

[Hattie]

It's not though. The OP is saying Bioware did it to make money not because they are prejudiced or malicious. Understandable but not admirable.

[Hattie]

Double post.

Modifié par Hattie, 28 avril 2010 - 01:48 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Lycra and heels. In combat. Fail.

That is all.

[Zulu_DFA]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Lycra and heels. In combat. Fail.
That is all.

This^.