Ce sujet est ferméAccusing them of pandering because of greed isn't that much better, though.Hattie wrote...
It's not though. The OP is saying Bioware did it to make money not because they are prejudiced or malicious. Understandable but not admirable.
Female Characters in Games
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#101
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:51
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 01:51
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Em23 wrote...
And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
... This thread is about the former.
So, why mentioning the homosexuals at all?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:00
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I smell irony.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Em23 wrote...
And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
... This thread is about the former.
So, why mentioning the homosexuals at all?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:05
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I would like a more mature game. I would even pay more money for one, but my age group is in the minority and not where the sales are at.
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#105
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:14
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Not to derail the thread but no, what you are describing is definitely not Turner's Syndrome. The phrase Turner's Girls exists for a reason- we are female. Just as female as any ordinary 46XX woman.
Back on topic: It is obvious that ME2 was written with male Shep in mind. The animations (especially absurd if you wear the little black dress from the Kasumi DLC) are one strong piece of evidence. The writing is another. Little things like the way Jacob says Miranda deserves a better man than him. Which could be taken as a compliment for a dudeShep romancing her, but is a serious dig to any femShep brave enough to tackle the Jacob romance. So he's not good enough for Miranda but he is for Shepard?
Not to derail the thread but no, what you are describing is definitely not Turner's Syndrome. The phrase Turner's Girls exists for a reason- we are female. Just as female as any ordinary 46XX woman.
Back on topic: It is obvious that ME2 was written with male Shep in mind. The animations (especially absurd if you wear the little black dress from the Kasumi DLC) are one strong piece of evidence. The writing is another. Little things like the way Jacob says Miranda deserves a better man than him. Which could be taken as a compliment for a dudeShep romancing her, but is a serious dig to any femShep brave enough to tackle the Jacob romance. So he's not good enough for Miranda but he is for Shepard?
#106
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:14
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I agree
make better love interests for Femshep!
Make the women be like women! (The Miranda ass-shot was absurd)
make better love interests for Femshep!
Make the women be like women! (The Miranda ass-shot was absurd)
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:14
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I find Conrad Verner’s portrayal of males insulting!
Most of this isn’t about appealing to just the male demographic, tons of males play fem-sheps.
BW definitely wasn’t ignoring or trying to insult female players. ME2 just didn’t meet your standards. Everyone knows the faults, now provide some solutions.
Most of this isn’t about appealing to just the male demographic, tons of males play fem-sheps.
BW definitely wasn’t ignoring or trying to insult female players. ME2 just didn’t meet your standards. Everyone knows the faults, now provide some solutions.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:16
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Em23 wrote...
Mass effect 2 is all about sales. Bioware has pulled all the stops, ignored all the minority groups, and created a game that will appeal to the undeniable heart of the gaming community: men who don't want to grow up.
And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
Can you really blame them for that? I think you can.
There is already a thread arguing for the latter. This thread is about the former.
Oh boo-hoo. Bioware is under no obligation to do anything except generate a profit.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:21
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All I can say is that of the games I've played BioWare at least tries to establish some kind of romance as best they can. Most other game companies either totally avoid it of just leap into the bedding action.
The stripper bit? That is part of the seedy side of Omega. You don't find the dregs of society having lattes on the presidium.
The clothes? Take a walk in a busy mall or at a university in the summer time. You will find all sorts of sexy outfits being worn.
I think you are being way way to hard on BioWare,
The stripper bit? That is part of the seedy side of Omega. You don't find the dregs of society having lattes on the presidium.
The clothes? Take a walk in a busy mall or at a university in the summer time. You will find all sorts of sexy outfits being worn.
I think you are being way way to hard on BioWare,
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:22
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@Shandepared: I hear this a lot on this site: the ruthless free-market CEO motto. But its not true.
I don't think the devs who poured their heart into this game take such a view. Bioware isn't exactly located on wall street. I really do believe they enjoy delivering a quality title to their fans.
I don't think the devs who poured their heart into this game take such a view. Bioware isn't exactly located on wall street. I really do believe they enjoy delivering a quality title to their fans.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:23
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Gavinthelocust wrote...
I smell irony.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Em23 wrote...
And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
... This thread is about the former.
So, why mentioning the homosexuals at all?
I smell homophobophobia.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:25
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I really feel like that if Bioware had pleased the girl gamer community in regards to the LI issue (especially Jacob), that we wouldn't have near the complaint threads similar to this one.Joisan wrote...
@ SP
Not to derail the thread but no, what you are describing is definitely not Turner's Syndrome. The phrase Turner's Girls exists for a reason- we are female. Just as female as any ordinary 46XX woman.
Back on topic: It is obvious that ME2 was written with male Shep in mind. The animations (especially absurd if you wear the little black dress from the Kasumi DLC) are one strong piece of evidence. The writing is another. Little things like the way Jacob says Miranda deserves a better man than him. Which could be taken as a compliment for a dudeShep romancing her, but is a serious dig to any femShep brave enough to tackle the Jacob romance. So he's not good enough for Miranda but he is for Shepard?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:26
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Is anyone else having a hard time quoting others in this thread?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:27
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
Is anyone else having a hard time quoting others in this thread?
Yes. Maybe they are shutting it down.<_<
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:27
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They are going to have to do a lot in ME3 for me to buy into your thoughts concerning Bioware. Although I tend to agree with some of the essence of what you are saying.slimgrin wrote...
@Shandepared: I hear this a lot on this site: the ruthless free-market CEO motto. But its not true.
I don't think the devs who poured their heart into this game take such a view. Bioware isn't exactly located on wall street. I really do believe they enjoy delivering a quality title to their fans.
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 avril 2010 - 02:30 .
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:28
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I just had to quote you manually.slimgrin wrote...
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Is anyone else having a hard time quoting others in this thread?
Yes. Maybe they are shutting it down.<_<
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 avril 2010 - 02:29 .
#117
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:29
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Collider wrote...
Male Shepard walks like a ****** too.Hattie wrote...
Collider wrote...
FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.
Who moves like a man.
He looks kinda retarded when he is running around on the normandy actully, me and my friend had quiet some laughs about it.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:30
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FemShep looks better running in ME2 than she did ME1 IMO.Lopper128 wrote...
Collider wrote...
Male Shepard walks like a ****** too.Hattie wrote...
Collider wrote...
FemShep isn't defined by her gender. She's a soldier first and foremost.
Who moves like a man.
He looks kinda retarded when he is running around on the normandy actully, me and my friend had quiet some laughs about it.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:32
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whats up with all the bashing on jacob.. I mean ok hes only after sex. But thanks to him we got one of the best ME jokes of all times! I mean is there anyone here that can watch his romance scene without at least giggle a little?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:33
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
They are going to have to do a lot in ME3 for me to buy into your thoughts concerning Bioware.slimgrin wrote...
@Shandepared: I hear this a lot on this site: the ruthless free-market CEO motto. But its not true.
I don't think the devs who poured their heart into this game take such a view. Bioware isn't exactly located on wall street. I really do believe they enjoy delivering a quality title to their fans.
My point is, the bean counters at the top concern themselves with profit. The devs and artist who make the game are the inspired ones, as I see it. Perhaps a naive view.
Problem is, the bean-counters can have a say in the content....unfortunate. This is what the op is trying to address, Albeit in a loud way.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:34
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I can see this derailing the thread. Seriously, there are about 500 threads covering your question about Jacob on the boards.Lopper128 wrote...
whats up with all the bashing on jacob.. I mean ok hes only after sex. But thanks to him we got one of the best ME jokes of all times! I mean is there anyone here that can watch his romance scene without at least giggle a little?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:34
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Am I the only lady that doesn't have a problem with Femshep walking a bit manly? I actually think it makes things a tad more realistic, given her background. Yeah, maybe it's just the result of developer shortcuts, but when I imagine a life-long soldier, I certainly don't imagine her carrying herself with much feminine grace.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:35
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
Gavinthelocust wrote...
I smell irony.Zulu_DFA wrote...
Em23 wrote...
And to do that, they completely screwed over women and homosexual gamers.
... This thread is about the former.
So, why mentioning the homosexuals at all?
I smell homophobophobia.
I smell hate crime.
#124
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:36
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Zulu_DFA wrote...
I smell homophobophobia.
What is that, fear of fearing homosexuals?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:36
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Marta Rio wrote...
Am I the only lady that doesn't have a problem with Femshep walking a bit manly? I actually think it makes things a tad more realistic, given her background. Yeah, maybe it's just the result of developer shortcuts, but when I imagine a life-long soldier, I certainly don't imagine her carrying herself with much feminine grace.
I know lots of girls in the Marines. They still walk like women. She is just a man-woman that BW needs to work on.
