I have no idea, I need to figure out what I'm doing to cause that.Ecael wrote...
EDIT: Gavin, how do you always manage to ruin the thread like that?
Female Characters in Games
#151
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:54
#152
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:54
Lopper128 wrote...
whats up with all the bashing on jacob.. I mean ok hes only after sex. But thanks to him we got one of the best ME jokes of all times! I mean is there anyone here that can watch his romance scene without at least giggle a little?
What do you mean he's only after sex?
Tali is only after sex. Miranda is only after sex. Garrus is only after sex. Femshep is only after sex. Nobody has any issue with them?
Why aren't there any "I hate Jane Shepard" threads?
Beside the part where Jane Shepard blatantly come out and says she wants him, all the dialog is identical to the male version. Asking rather he has someone waiting for him back home and even complimenting him on his physique, although not in this particular conversation, are all part of the male on male conversation.
#153
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:55
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Sure, it's the target audience is what draws all of the attention. If games such as this were bought and played by people in there 30s for example, then most likely negative publicity would not gain traction, if there was even negative publicity at all.Em23 wrote...
Just on this point. I've wondered why there are so many great books and movies that have sex and nudity but games get flamed for going anywhere near there. Now I think I know why and I actually agree with it.JohnnyDollar wrote...
@Hattie
Could you elaborate on your post? What would you suggest as being more respectful in order for nudity and sex to be accepted?
People say "it's rated M for mature, so there should be". But it is not mature and nudity in this context would be more like porn than a love scene. That is what people object to. Not sex and nudity. People automatically associate games with juvenile stuff like in ME2 (and much worse games), as demonstrated by the outburst over ME1 by people who hadn't even played the game. They backed off once they saw it was tastefully done.
That's what i mean by the title.
From what I've seen in news and if that thread on gamer ages is anything to go by, I'd say most gamers are well over 20.
#154
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:57
- Miranda, Jack, Samara and Jacob are all biotics, if they fight anything like asari commandos are described in ME1, they want to be able to move freely and use barriers for protection.
- Tali, Mordin and Kasumi are techs, in most games techs are lightly armoured, if at all.
- Thane is an assassin who wants to move freely
- Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus and Shepard are really the only "Soldiers" and while I don't get why any of them really need armour, if anyone is gonna wear armour it's these 4
#155
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:58
I agree with all your points. I especially liked the part where you said "%09_leoHighlightsReportExeception", as it thoroughly explained what I was trying to say.Gavinthelocust wrote...
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EDIT: I hate you wall of code, why must you come in when I least expect it?
But if %09leoHighlightsEvent%28%22clicked.2eBay%22%29%3B%0A%20, then why would you say that %28%22clickId%22%2CclickId+%22_blah%22%29%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20gwObj.callName? Even if %29%3B%0A%20%20%20%7D%0A%20%20%20catch%28e%29%0A%20%20%20%7B%0A%20%20%20%09_leoHighlights, then we should expect that %20provided%20to%20the%20highlight%20providers...%20%, no?
I may need to ruminate over what you said some more, especially var%20gwObj%20%3D%20new%20Gateway%28%29. Sure, it may be some generalization, but it still has a valid point. It requires much understanding to respond.
#156
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 02:59
Guest_slimgrin_*
Darkhour wrote...
Lopper128 wrote...
whats up with all the bashing on jacob.. I mean ok hes only after sex. But thanks to him we got one of the best ME jokes of all times! I mean is there anyone here that can watch his romance scene without at least giggle a little?
What do you mean he's only after sex?
Tali is only after sex. Miranda is only after sex. Garrus is only after sex. Femshep is only after sex. Nobody has any issue with them?
Why aren't there any "I hate Jane Shepard" threads?
Beside the part where Jane Shepard blatantly come out and says she wants him, all the dialog is identical to the male version. Asking rather he has someone waiting for him back home and even complimenting him on his physique, although not in this particular conversation, are all part of the male on male conversation.
Sorry, but Shepard sounds like such a hooker in those clips...
#157
Guest_slimgrin_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:00
Guest_slimgrin_*
#158
Guest_gmartin40_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:02
Guest_gmartin40_*
#159
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:02
JohnnyDollar wrote...
Sure, it's the target audience is what draws all of the attention. If games such as this were bought and played by people in there 30s for example, then most likely negative publicity would not gain traction, if there was even negative publicity at all.
Not to plug my own polls, but I just did one on these forums, and with almost 400 votes, the biggest group was college and twenty something males. There were more people over thirty than under eighteen. And women were a fifth of the audience-- a minority, yes, but not insignificant.
And to the earlier poster who asked if she was the only woman who didn't have a problem with the walk (aka the Shepard Shuffle), I'm female and I didn't think it was awful. I'll take slightly butch over hip swishing any day. There are some differences between male and female walks, mostly because of the hips, but I honestly don't think it's a big a difference as some animators think. Then again, I roomed for a year with a rugby player (female), so anything less than her seems pretty girly to me
#160
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:04
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
I don't know, I would like to know out of curiosity. There obviously is a substantial young group (teens) that buy and play the game. Bioware obviously is counting on sales from that group. If not, then they could ramp up the rating and not worry about a loss of sales to that group.Em23 wrote...
From what I've seen in news and if that thread on gamer ages is anything to go by, I'd say most gamers are well over 20.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Sure, it's the target audience is what draws all of the attention. If games such as this were bought and played by people in there 30s for example, then most likely negative publicity would not gain traction, if there was even negative publicity at all.Em23 wrote...
Just on this point. I've wondered why there are so many great books and movies that have sex and nudity but games get flamed for going anywhere near there. Now I think I know why and I actually agree with it.JohnnyDollar wrote...
@Hattie
Could you elaborate on your post? What would you suggest as being more respectful in order for nudity and sex to be accepted?
People say "it's rated M for mature, so there should be". But it is not mature and nudity in this context would be more like porn than a love scene. That is what people object to. Not sex and nudity. People automatically associate games with juvenile stuff like in ME2 (and much worse games), as demonstrated by the outburst over ME1 by people who hadn't even played the game. They backed off once they saw it was tastefully done.
That's what i mean by the title.
#161
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:04
#162
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:04
sammcl wrote...
[*]As for same sex romances, I think Bioware made the right call cutting them. The characters should be set in stone, I wouldn't like to see the game where every character is essentially bisexual. I don't even like that everyone wants Shepard, I've only done one romance in ME2 with Miranda, my femshep stayed loyal to Kaidan. I watched how they play out on youtube though, what i really liked was that Samara rejects you. I think more romances should be able to play out this way, I mean you can reject anyone but only Samara rejects you, it doesn't seem real. Maybe based on some of the choices you make on loyalty missions characters could reject your advances. I dunno, is that already in the game? Does Miranda still like you if you don't tell her to talk to her sister? Tali if you give the evidence to the admirals?
[*]If i remember correctly, in one of their interviews, they never intended to have Shepard be homosexual (that wasn't the wording, but it was implied). They created Mass Effect as a 3rd person narrative, while Dragon Age was created as a 1st person narrative. Shepard already had a past before any of the events in the first Mass Effect, and artificially making him to be homosexual did not align with how they viewed his character. Remember, homosexuality is still looked down upon in the military, so who iss to say that that method of thinking wouldn't continue?
#163
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:06
Darkhour wrote...
Lopper128 wrote...
whats up with all the bashing on jacob.. I mean ok hes only after sex. But thanks to him we got one of the best ME jokes of all times! I mean is there anyone here that can watch his romance scene without at least giggle a little?
What do you mean he's only after sex?
Tali is only after sex. Miranda is only after sex. Garrus is only after sex. Femshep is only after sex. Nobody has any issue with them?
Why aren't there any "I hate Jane Shepard" threads?
Beside the part where Jane Shepard blatantly come out and says she wants him, all the dialog is identical to the male version. Asking rather he has someone waiting for him back home and even complimenting him on his physique, although not in this particular conversation, are all part of the male on male conversation.
That can be discussed.. and have been! More then one time. For the record I like Jacob.. he makes me laugh..
#164
Guest_gmartin40_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:07
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#165
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:08
Guest_JohnnyDollar_*
That poll is far from scientic though. You can't trust that. Bioware wouldn't have to worry about game ratings affecting sales if a substantial group (teens) were not buying and playing the game.SuperMedbh wrote...
Not to plug my own polls, but I just did one on these forums, and with almost 400 votes, the biggest group was college and twenty something males. There were more people over thirty than under eighteen. And women were a fifth of the audience-- a minority, yes, but not insignificant.JohnnyDollar wrote...Sure, it's the target audience is what draws all of the attention. If games such as this were bought and played by people in there 30s for example, then most likely negative publicity would not gain traction, if there was even negative publicity at all.
Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 28 avril 2010 - 03:09 .
#166
Guest_slimgrin_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:10
Guest_slimgrin_*
gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
Many an ancient greek warrior would have disagreed.
#167
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:10
gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people.
I dunno. Alexander the Great did pretty well. That said, I'm fine with Bioware not turning their already-juvenile romance options into a statement on sexual diversity. The FemShep-Jacob conversations were bad enough. I'd hate to stumble onto the wrong part of the dialogue wheel with ManShep.
I'm just wishing that Molly Yard and Susan Faludi would collaborate on their own video game. That would be epic.
#168
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:12
The idea that straight = hard worries me to no end.gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
#169
Guest_gmartin40_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:13
Guest_gmartin40_*
slimgrin wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
Many an ancient greek warrior would have disagreed.
MODERN military.
#170
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:14
shnizzler93 wrote...
sammcl wrote...
[*]As for same sex romances, I think Bioware made the right call cutting them. The characters should be set in stone, I wouldn't like to see the game where every character is essentially bisexual. I don't even like that everyone wants Shepard, I've only done one romance in ME2 with Miranda, my femshep stayed loyal to Kaidan. I watched how they play out on youtube though, what i really liked was that Samara rejects you. I think more romances should be able to play out this way, I mean you can reject anyone but only Samara rejects you, it doesn't seem real. Maybe based on some of the choices you make on loyalty missions characters could reject your advances. I dunno, is that already in the game? Does Miranda still like you if you don't tell her to talk to her sister? Tali if you give the evidence to the admirals?
[*]If i remember correctly, in one of their interviews, they never intended to have Shepard be homosexual (that wasn't the wording, but it was implied). They created Mass Effect as a 3rd person narrative, while Dragon Age was created as a 1st person narrative. Shepard already had a past before any of the events in the first Mass Effect, and artificially making him to be homosexual did not align with how they viewed his character. Remember, homosexuality is still looked down upon in the military, so who iss to say that that method of thinking wouldn't continue?
But it's cool if they're girls, coz lesbians are hot, amirite?
The problem here is that there are no male homosexual romances, but multiple female ones--the game supports playing Femshep as a lesbian, even encourages it, since there are no unique male flirts for her but plenty of asari. If the argument is that female Shepard is equivalent to male Shepard, just with an X chromosome, then male Shepard should also be potentially bisexual, because Femshep sure can.
(something bizarre is happening with the reply box, bullets everywhere and it's forcing letters to random places)
#171
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:15
I hate Miranda's stupid ass. I am so sick of having to look at it. She might as well not be wearing any pants. Pants do not fit like that. Alas, the wonders of video games.
The heels don't bother me, other than they look kinda silly. But they're kinda cool too.
At least the Garrus and Thane romances were about more than just sex. Even though the Garrus one starts out as just 'blowing off steam', Garrus respects Shepard, and we see that he genuinely cares for her.
#172
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:15
****** detected.gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
It's cool, dude. No need to overcompensate. We can always sense our own.
#173
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:16
enormousmoonboots wrote...
shnizzler93 wrote...
sammcl wrote...
[*]As for same sex romances, I think Bioware made the right call cutting them. The characters should be set in stone, I wouldn't like to see the game where every character is essentially bisexual. I don't even like that everyone wants Shepard, I've only done one romance in ME2 with Miranda, my femshep stayed loyal to Kaidan. I watched how they play out on youtube though, what i really liked was that Samara rejects you. I think more romances should be able to play out this way, I mean you can reject anyone but only Samara rejects you, it doesn't seem real. Maybe based on some of the choices you make on loyalty missions characters could reject your advances. I dunno, is that already in the game? Does Miranda still like you if you don't tell her to talk to her sister? Tali if you give the evidence to the admirals?
[*]If i remember correctly, in one of their interviews, they never intended to have Shepard be homosexual (that wasn't the wording, but it was implied). They created Mass Effect as a 3rd person narrative, while Dragon Age was created as a 1st person narrative. Shepard already had a past before any of the events in the first Mass Effect, and artificially making him to be homosexual did not align with how they viewed his character. Remember, homosexuality is still looked down upon in the military, so who iss to say that that method of thinking wouldn't continue?
But it's cool if they're girls, coz lesbians are hot, amirite?
The problem here is that there are no male homosexual romances, but multiple female ones--the game supports playing Femshep as a lesbian, even encourages it, since there are no unique male flirts for her but plenty of asari. If the argument is that female Shepard is equivalent to male Shepard, just with an X chromosome, then male Shepard should also be potentially bisexual, because Femshep sure can.
(something bizarre is happening with the reply box, bullets everywhere and it's forcing letters to random places)
[*]Haha, true. I'm not going to disagree with you, but asari are techinally mono-gendered...
#174
Guest_gmartin40_*
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:16
Guest_gmartin40_*
enormousmoonboots wrote...
****** detected.gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
It's cool, dude. No need to overcompensate. We can always sense our own.
<_<
#175
Posté 28 avril 2010 - 03:17
Funny how acient military is more accepting and more effective than the modern equivalent ain't it?gmartin40 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Last time I checked, the military didn't allow gays to lead people. My FemShep is gay but only because I'm a male and didn't want her lips on another man. Anyways, I agree with Bioware on cutting gay relationships because it adds on to the hardness of Shepard.
Many an ancient greek warrior would have disagreed.
MODERN military.




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