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[ScooterPie88]

I see thread after thread after thread after thread about how to finish the end of the game with all survivors how "I can't do it" or "So and so croaked."  What in the hell is the matter with people? I am by no means an expert gamer but for God's sakes people use some common sense.  If people aren't loyal they will die.  If you make dumb choices people will die.  If you don't upgrade stuff people will get toasted.  The only tricky ones in the bunch are Tali and Mordin and even that's not that hard to figure out.  On my first try I got all survivors (including the whole crew) and that's with Zaeed doing escort and Mordin holding the line (I had Tali and Garrus with me for the finale I think).  Since difficulty doesn't matter as long as you make the right choices I am astounded at the sheer idiocy of some people with questions like, "Dur I sent Thane down the vents and he died and I just cant seem to get all survivors what should I do?" Please tell me I'm not the only one tired of seeing repetitive forum entries about how to do the suicide mission.  There have been some quite well written ones that lay out the whol thing in excruciating detail a little searching might do wonders me thinks.

[Sutamina]

please continue with your ranting while only wearing a towel

[Onyx Jaguar]

Sutamina just put a hilarious picture in my head, rofl

[Pacifien]

ScooterPie88 wrote...
On my first try I got all survivors (including the whole crew) and that's with Zaeed doing escort and Mordin holding the line (I had Tali and Garrus with me for the finale I think).

That's interesting because I just did a run where I sent Zaeed as an escort and took Garrus and Thane with me to the final battle simply to prove that Mordin will die. Everyone was loyal, everything was upgraded, and Mordin did die. I suppose I could try it with Tali instead of Thane to see if the outcome is different, but if it is just by that one change, that just demonstrates how easy it is for one decision to ruin a perfectly good run.

As for the plethora of posts where people can't seem to get it right, it would help if, say, this post was stickied. But seeing as the developers view a perfect suicide run as the whole crux of the game, I can see them thinking such a post as too much spoiler to display prominently. Should ask a mod...

[Gavinthelocust]

Common sense on these forms were thrown out the window the second Tali became the messiah and people wanted to know how much the crew could bench press.

[Ecael]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

I see thread after thread after thread after thread about how to finish the end of the game with all survivors how "I can't do it" or "So and so croaked."

Are you reading threads from 3 months ago or something?

[foilpainter]

I have played the game 10 times and of course its not that hard to get no one left behind if you do the upgrades and send the right crew for the assignment that they are best at...but wheres the fun in that? Sometimes you want to try different things to see what will happen but at the most..I have only lost 3 members and one of them isn't a living being, Legion is a machine!



Anyways, I do not read those posts anyways.

[Tlazolteotl]

Ecael wrote...

ScooterPie88 wrote...

I see thread after thread after thread after thread about how to finish the end of the game with all survivors how "I can't do it" or "So and so croaked."

Are you reading threads from 3 months ago or something?

Can't be helped if they keep getting bumped.

[Pathetisad]

On my first try I saved every squad member, but some of the crew (eg. Kelly) died, because I went n to complete te remaining mission instead of going to rescue them.

On all subsequent trys, I save everyone including the crew, except I purposely don't choose the paragon/renegade dialogue option in the Tali/Legion argument and take Legions side.
Then I send Tali into the vents

Modifié par Pathetisad, 28 avril 2010 - 01:48 .

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

Get off my lawn!

Fix'd.

Modifié par Tantum Dic Verbo, 28 avril 2010 - 02:58 .

[Marta Rio]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Common sense on these forms were thrown out the window the second Tali became the messiah and people wanted to know how much the crew could bench press.

Wait..so did we come to a consensus on how much they can benchpress?  I must know.

Ooon topic...maybe it's just luck but I've had no problems keeping the whole squad alive.  Even the supposedly death prone such as Mordin. 

[Time Lord 117]

Ya I don't get it I was able to finish the game with all survivors on my first time and didn't have Subject Zero loyal. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png

Modifié par Time Lord 117, 28 avril 2010 - 03:16 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Mordin died on one playthrough. When I hit a checkpoint on the Collector station he was my squadmate. Jack wasn't loyal. Jack was with the other team. Yet Mordin charged out into the seeker swarm. Samara was maintaining the barrier. It's not always the one that's not loyal. It's just that not having everyone loyal is distracting to all of the team members. Once I managed to secure the Jack/Miranda confrontation, no one died.

[Darthnemesis2]

My first playthrough I had legion go into the vents (seemed obvious the machine would be immune to any enviromental hazards eg. too hot/cold/no air) Garrus was always team lead, Jack did biotic shield, Zaeed took all the crew back, and I think I took Garrus and Mordin with me to fight the boss (maybe Thane or Legion instead of Garrus?). No one died.

[Gavinthelocust]

lol I just noticed this thread is turning into one of those threads explaining the mission.

[Ride2Ruin25]

ScooterPie, I totally agree, as even from a story, character, and lore perspective, nevermind gameplay, people SHOULD be able to figure out who is best suited for different tasks, and that loyalty and preparation are vital to survival. The only person I lost in my first playthrough was Mordin, and that was only because of the tricky mechanics of the 'hold the line' assignment, which I rectified when I reloaded my end-save.



Most of the characters (provided one takes the time to actually talk to and get to know them, god forbid...) will frequently remind you how important loyalty is for the success of the mission. Furthermore, they TELL you what they are good at, and at the very least you can glean what their skills are based on their combat abilities and the commentary on them from other crew members.



The same goes for upgrades, namely those for the Normandy, as all the squadmates with the vital ship upgrades will tell you directly that not upgrading will result in deaths. I mean, while I can appreciate that resource collection is tedious and all, it should be pretty obvious that the player reaps what they sow: if they can't be bothered to collect minerals and buy upgrades, fair enough, but that just means the odds of squaddies dying goes way up.



In short, I feel your pain.

[Daforth]

Totally agree with the OP. Reading those forums make me a lot facepalm situations. Seriously. Beside the loyalty and ship upgrades that might not be obvious to have effect on suicide mission death in the first playthru, there are many hints and helps how to choose specialist. At the vents. Miranda says that you need a tech expert. The job is hacking a door. So who the hell think it is a good idea to send , for example,Thane? An assasin? The even sort the list of choose in a way that Tali is the very first. She is a tech expert, even the right side description of her tells that. Kasumi, master of hacking door, Legion, a geth, a natural tech expert is also a straightforward choice. Why choose any other? (Providing, the goal is to keep them alive). Actually it is a lot easier to keep everyone alive than if you want to select who should die. The latter needs much more planning and thinking.

[Icinix]

There is a small random element involved if you don't take Mordin and possibly Thane with you at least once.

[C9316]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

I see thread after thread after thread after thread about how to finish the end of the game with all survivors how "I can't do it" or "So and so croaked."  What in the hell is the matter with people? I am by no means an expert gamer but for God's sakes people use some common sense.  If people aren't loyal they will die.  If you make dumb choices people will die.  If you don't upgrade stuff people will get toasted.  The only tricky ones in the bunch are Tali and Mordin and even that's not that hard to figure out.  On my first try I got all survivors (including the whole crew) and that's with Zaeed doing escort and Mordin holding the line (I had Tali and Garrus with me for the finale I think).  Since difficulty doesn't matter as long as you make the right choices I am astounded at the sheer idiocy of some people with questions like, "Dur I sent Thane down the vents and he died and I just cant seem to get all survivors what should I do?" Please tell me I'm not the only one tired of seeing repetitive forum entries about how to do the suicide mission.  There have been some quite well written ones that lay out the whol thing in excruciating detail a little searching might do wonders me thinks.

well I agree with what your saying but the problem is people are just plain stupid at some point and i'm appaled at the stupid decisons people make when doing the suicide mission like thane why in god's name would you send HIM in the vents he ain't a tech expert send Tali or Legion!!!!(it even says they're tech experts in the descriptions) jeez might as well make Joker lead your second fire team when your storming the collecter base(jk I know it isn't possible)

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

ScooterPie88 wrote...
If people aren't loyal they will die.

Whilst for the most part I agree with what you are saying and as someone else stated perhaps now is a good time to link that topic that someone linked earlier in this topic. Just thought would clarify something... the above statement is false.

As proven by this end result with no one loyal and having used the right people (had they been loyal) for the jobs at hand.


Pre-Kasumi addition there was also a way to get everyone out alive with just 4 loyal squadmates (Miranda, Jack, Mordin and Tali).

[FFTARoxorz05]

I think the most I've had die is 3 when I didn't know that Zaeed was a bad leader (thus getting himself and the tech killed) and that loyalty had magical debris-stopping powers for people you bring along. It's really not hard to get everyone loyal since the only one that matters is Jack vs Miranda seeing as Tali vs Legion is the last one you can do.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

I see thread after thread after thread after thread about how to finish the end of the game with all survivors how "I can't do it" or "So and so croaked."  What in the hell is the matter with people? I am by no means an expert gamer but for God's sakes people use some common sense.  If people aren't loyal they will die.  If you make dumb choices people will die.  If you don't upgrade stuff people will get toasted.  The only tricky ones in the bunch are Tali and Mordin and even that's not that hard to figure out.  On my first try I got all survivors (including the whole crew) and that's with Zaeed doing escort and Mordin holding the line (I had Tali and Garrus with me for the finale I think).  Since difficulty doesn't matter as long as you make the right choices I am astounded at the sheer idiocy of some people with questions like, "Dur I sent Thane down the vents and he died and I just cant seem to get all survivors what should I do?" Please tell me I'm not the only one tired of seeing repetitive forum entries about how to do the suicide mission.  There have been some quite well written ones that lay out the whol thing in excruciating detail a little searching might do wonders me thinks.

Nice rant, your avatar makes this a ****load funnier though.