Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
Out of the thread please. You clearly have not been reading what I've been saying.
Spectre Hypocrisy
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Out of the thread please. You clearly have not been reading what I've been saying.
Retour en haut
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:29
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Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
No it was "enemies everywhere!!!"
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:29
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gmartin40 wrote...
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Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
Lol
You. Thread. Out.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:29
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Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
I have, and it convinced me that Cerberus is part of the Alliance
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:30
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Elithranduil wrote...
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Don't see whats so hard to understand. Cerberus is an enemy of the Council. Makes sense they wouldn't be too happy about one of their agents working for them.
And the Council is pretty generous, offering to reinstate your Spectre status and allowing you to run around with out having to report in to them.
Working with Cerberus as a means to an end does not preclude Shepard from working for the Council.
They chose to invest Shepard with the power of a Spectre - they should respect that he will protect the Galaxy any way he sees fit. If that involves working with Cerberus, so be it. Why should they be mad?
They act all surprised that Shepard would do what he does when the whole point of the Spectres is to be able to act without the constraint of political or legal notions. Threatening him with treason is silly. What do they expect to be the result of zero accountability? They must have seen a situation like this coming.
The whole point of Spectres is that they undergo a rigorous screening process before even being considered as a potential candidate so that they can be trusted with this extreme power. To suddenly go back on all of Shepard's history and question his judgement is silly. He's a Spectre. He should answer to no one but is courteous enough to inform the Council of his doings.
Except Shepard does have to answer to someone. The Council. If they don't like what Shepard is doing then they have the right to revoke the power they gave to him/her
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:31
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OverlordNexas wrote...
Elithranduil wrote...
OverlordNexas wrote...
Don't see whats so hard to understand. Cerberus is an enemy of the Council. Makes sense they wouldn't be too happy about one of their agents working for them.
And the Council is pretty generous, offering to reinstate your Spectre status and allowing you to run around with out having to report in to them.
Working with Cerberus as a means to an end does not preclude Shepard from working for the Council.
They chose to invest Shepard with the power of a Spectre - they should respect that he will protect the Galaxy any way he sees fit. If that involves working with Cerberus, so be it. Why should they be mad?
They act all surprised that Shepard would do what he does when the whole point of the Spectres is to be able to act without the constraint of political or legal notions. Threatening him with treason is silly. What do they expect to be the result of zero accountability? They must have seen a situation like this coming.
The whole point of Spectres is that they undergo a rigorous screening process before even being considered as a potential candidate so that they can be trusted with this extreme power. To suddenly go back on all of Shepard's history and question his judgement is silly. He's a Spectre. He should answer to no one but is courteous enough to inform the Council of his doings.
Except Shepard does have to answer to someone. The Council. If they don't like what Shepard is doing then they have the right to revoke the power they gave to him/her
That really doesn't do much. As with the case of Saren he had far too many allies and Shepard more or less got lucky. Shepard really, doesn't have to answer to anyoene.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:32
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
I have, and it convinced me that Cerberus is part of the Alliance
They used to be. They went rogue. Someone clearly never read the codex.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:32
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gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
No it was "enemies everywhere!!!"
But mine's funnier.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:33
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gmartin40 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
I have, and it convinced me that Cerberus is part of the Alliance
They used to be. They went rogue. Someone clearly never read the codex.
I have. But I trust what I have seen in game rather than what I have read as misinformation.
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Darthnemesis2 wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
No it was "enemies everywhere!!!"
But mine's funnier.
But whos makes more sense?
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:33
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I've played the Cerberus missions from ME1 and I have absolutely no tolerance or love for the group. Seeing things from a Sole Survivor's perspective also helps with that. F*ck 'em.
I honestly just wish you were allowed to go back and "smooth things over" if you took the paragon path in the finale.
I honestly just wish you were allowed to go back and "smooth things over" if you took the paragon path in the finale.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:34
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gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
No it was "enemies everywhere!!!"
But mine's funnier.
But whos makes more sense?
That's why mine's funnier it doesn't make sense
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:35
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OverlordNexas wrote...
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Don't see whats so hard to understand. Cerberus is an enemy of the Council. Makes sense they wouldn't be too happy about one of their agents working for them.
And the Council is pretty generous, offering to reinstate your Spectre status and allowing you to run around with out having to report in to them.
Working with Cerberus as a means to an end does not preclude Shepard from working for the Council.
They chose to invest Shepard with the power of a Spectre - they should respect that he will protect the Galaxy any way he sees fit. If that involves working with Cerberus, so be it. Why should they be mad?
They act all surprised that Shepard would do what he does when the whole point of the Spectres is to be able to act without the constraint of political or legal notions. Threatening him with treason is silly. What do they expect to be the result of zero accountability? They must have seen a situation like this coming.
The whole point of Spectres is that they undergo a rigorous screening process before even being considered as a potential candidate so that they can be trusted with this extreme power. To suddenly go back on all of Shepard's history and question his judgement is silly. He's a Spectre. He should answer to no one but is courteous enough to inform the Council of his doings.
Except Shepard does have to answer to someone. The Council. If they don't like what Shepard is doing then they have the right to revoke the power they gave to him/her
That has to be reserved for very exceptional circumstances (like Saren's genocidal rampage). If they revoked every Spectre's status just because they didn't agree with their modus operandi then what is the point of having a Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch with close to zero oversight? They are meant to be enagaging problems in unconventional ways that might be frowned upon by a law abiding society.
Shepard can't be the first Spectre to do something the Council frowns upon. Why do they make such a big deal out of it? That's the whole point of having Spectre power.
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Darthnemesis2 wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
No it was "enemies everywhere!!!"
But mine's funnier.
But whos makes more sense?
That's why mine's funnier it doesn't make sense
Touché
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:36
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Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
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DuffyMJ wrote...
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Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
They're dead, they don't care.
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gmartin40 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
I have, and it convinced me that Cerberus is part of the Alliance
They used to be. They went rogue. Someone clearly never read the codex.
Vacate the thread please. Your snide attitude is not wanted here.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:37
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DuffyMJ wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
Should've fought with their tractors.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:37
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My comment was meant partially in jest.
However, let's think about this: Cerberus is an ex-black ops group that the Alliance would rather no one knows about. They've committed acts of terrorism against both humans and non-humans. They've been labeled a terrorist organization by both the Alliance and the Citadel Council. And their agenda is explicitly human supremacist in nature (Miranda and TIM say as much and if that weren't enough Ascension spells it out very clearly).
Saying the Council shouldn't have a problem with Shepard working with Cerberus is like saying the Council shouldn't have had a problem with Saren working with the geth. And don't bring up the Reapers, because we know the Council doesn't believe they exist. To the Council's eyes, it looks nearly identical: a spectre is working closely with known enemies of theirs for nebulous purposes. Of course they're going to be suspicious!
The mind-numbingly idiotic thing about the Council is not their reaction to Shepard's work with Cerberus but rather that they refuse to admit to the Reapers' existence. That's stupid. Not their concerns about a terrorist organization that's tortured and killed (at least) hundreds already.
However, let's think about this: Cerberus is an ex-black ops group that the Alliance would rather no one knows about. They've committed acts of terrorism against both humans and non-humans. They've been labeled a terrorist organization by both the Alliance and the Citadel Council. And their agenda is explicitly human supremacist in nature (Miranda and TIM say as much and if that weren't enough Ascension spells it out very clearly).
Saying the Council shouldn't have a problem with Shepard working with Cerberus is like saying the Council shouldn't have had a problem with Saren working with the geth. And don't bring up the Reapers, because we know the Council doesn't believe they exist. To the Council's eyes, it looks nearly identical: a spectre is working closely with known enemies of theirs for nebulous purposes. Of course they're going to be suspicious!
The mind-numbingly idiotic thing about the Council is not their reaction to Shepard's work with Cerberus but rather that they refuse to admit to the Reapers' existence. That's stupid. Not their concerns about a terrorist organization that's tortured and killed (at least) hundreds already.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:38
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I played the ME1 Cerberus missions and I will stay HEEL. I rather work with a group who gets **** done rather than talks about it.
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DuffyMJ wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
They're dead, they don't care.
They probably cared a little right before they died though.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:38
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Elithranduil wrote...
gmartin40 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Nivenus wrote...
Someone clearly never played the Cerberus missions in ME1.
I have, and it convinced me that Cerberus is part of the Alliance
They used to be. They went rogue. Someone clearly never read the codex.
Vacate the thread please. Your snide attitude is not wanted here.
Don't take it up the cheeks man it was a joke. Asside the point if Shepard doesn't follow the rules then he is rogue and will be gunned down by another Spectre (ME1 anyone?).
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Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DuffyMJ wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
They're dead, they don't care.
They probably cared a little right before they died though.
True, but as of this moment they have no say in the matter.
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Posté 28 avril 2010 - 05:39
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Nice dictatorship you're running here, OP.
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Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Darthnemesis2 wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DuffyMJ wrote...
Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Balance is boring. Galactic stability only helps those it favors.
Tell that to the dead farmers on Eden Prime
They're dead, they don't care.
They probably cared a little right before they died though.
True, but as of this moment they have no say in the matter.
Off the point...
