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[Shepard needs a Vacation]

hopefully there is some switching characters like in ME 2 where u played joker, and you get to take part in the space battle flying the ship, while Shep is boarding a reaper/on a ground mission/ trying to convince the council the reapers are real/having sex with a crew mate, or something like that.

[Alphyn]

FREEGUNNER wrote...

Doubt it, this is unreal engine 3 we're talking about.

Well, they'd better use a different engine then.

Or, like, completely ditch the idea of a huge space battle.

[hitorihanzo]

adam_grif wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

I'm guessing we won't take the full brunt of the Reaper fleet. If we do, then it will turn out to only be 200 or so Reapers. Maybe less.

Only 200?

We never saw more than that at the end of ME2. We don't have any solid figures. Thousands of reapers is totally infeasible to fight, the "1000 asari dreadnoughts" given by OP is totally ludicrous and ME3 would have to take place like 300 years in the future for that to be possible.

If they put "thousands of reapers" in, the only possible solution is Deus Ex Machine, ala the ending to Independence Day, which was mega lame.

I honestly thought that Independence Day was clever.  How else were they going to beat them?  There was no possible way other than the way presented in the movie.  Anything else would've resulted in the extinction of the human race.

I honestly think that the Star that 's dying - the one that Tali was researching is going to play a huge part in fighting the Reapers.  Perhaps they find out why the star was dying, and then lure the Reapers to a star system, and use the same technique to make that star go nova?  That's the only force that I can think of that could destroy all of the Reapers.  I'm sure that's been tossed around before.

That still leaves room for a huge space battle, one to keep the Reapers in the system, making it look like we're making a last stand, while Shepard and his team make the star die.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

hitorihanzo wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

I'm guessing we won't take the full brunt of the Reaper fleet. If we do, then it will turn out to only be 200 or so Reapers. Maybe less.

Only 200?

We never saw more than that at the end of ME2. We don't have any solid figures. Thousands of reapers is totally infeasible to fight, the "1000 asari dreadnoughts" given by OP is totally ludicrous and ME3 would have to take place like 300 years in the future for that to be possible.

If they put "thousands of reapers" in, the only possible solution is Deus Ex Machine, ala the ending to Independence Day, which was mega lame.

I honestly thought that Independence Day was clever.  How else were they going to beat them?  There was no possible way other than the way presented in the movie.  Anything else would've resulted in the extinction of the human race.

I honestly think that the Star that 's dying - the one that Tali was researching is going to play a huge part in fighting the Reapers.  Perhaps they find out why the star was dying, and then lure the Reapers to a star system, and use the same technique to make that star go nova?  That's the only force that I can think of that could destroy all of the Reapers.  I'm sure that's been tossed around before.

That still leaves room for a huge space battle, one to keep the Reapers in the system, making it look like we're making a last stand, while Shepard and his team make the star die.

we have already noted that mass relays can surivive super novas, makes little sense that reapers can not.

[cachx]

JRCHOharry wrote...

Can someone fill me in here... Deus Ex Machina?

A plot device that it's basically  "...a miracle happens and everything gets solved"

Good description and list of examples here:
http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina

[hitorihanzo]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

I'm guessing we won't take the full brunt of the Reaper fleet. If we do, then it will turn out to only be 200 or so Reapers. Maybe less.

Only 200?

We never saw more than that at the end of ME2. We don't have any solid figures. Thousands of reapers is totally infeasible to fight, the "1000 asari dreadnoughts" given by OP is totally ludicrous and ME3 would have to take place like 300 years in the future for that to be possible.

If they put "thousands of reapers" in, the only possible solution is Deus Ex Machine, ala the ending to Independence Day, which was mega lame.

I honestly thought that Independence Day was clever.  How else were they going to beat them?  There was no possible way other than the way presented in the movie.  Anything else would've resulted in the extinction of the human race.

I honestly think that the Star that 's dying - the one that Tali was researching is going to play a huge part in fighting the Reapers.  Perhaps they find out why the star was dying, and then lure the Reapers to a star system, and use the same technique to make that star go nova?  That's the only force that I can think of that could destroy all of the Reapers.  I'm sure that's been tossed around before.

That still leaves room for a huge space battle, one to keep the Reapers in the system, making it look like we're making a last stand, while Shepard and his team make the star die.

we have already noted that mass relays can surivive super novas, makes little sense that reapers can not.

Question:  I thought about that before I posted.  Was that ever said in-game, or in the Codex?  If so, I don't remember it.

Modifié par hitorihanzo, 28 avril 2010 - 05:00 .

[VutaatVerd]

The battle will some be like this.

[DigitalMaster37]

It will indeed be epic, again though as most of you have expressed, I hope BioWare does it right.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

I'm guessing we won't take the full brunt of the Reaper fleet. If we do, then it will turn out to only be 200 or so Reapers. Maybe less.

Only 200?

We never saw more than that at the end of ME2. We don't have any solid figures. Thousands of reapers is totally infeasible to fight, the "1000 asari dreadnoughts" given by OP is totally ludicrous and ME3 would have to take place like 300 years in the future for that to be possible.

If they put "thousands of reapers" in, the only possible solution is Deus Ex Machine, ala the ending to Independence Day, which was mega lame.

I honestly thought that Independence Day was clever.  How else were they going to beat them?  There was no possible way other than the way presented in the movie.  Anything else would've resulted in the extinction of the human race.

I honestly think that the Star that 's dying - the one that Tali was researching is going to play a huge part in fighting the Reapers.  Perhaps they find out why the star was dying, and then lure the Reapers to a star system, and use the same technique to make that star go nova?  That's the only force that I can think of that could destroy all of the Reapers.  I'm sure that's been tossed around before.

That still leaves room for a huge space battle, one to keep the Reapers in the system, making it look like we're making a last stand, while Shepard and his team make the star die.

we have already noted that mass relays can surivive super novas, makes little sense that reapers can not.

Question:  I thought about that before I posted.  Was that ever said in-game, or in the Codex?  If so, I don't remember it.

Codex. but still, if your an race of machine beings who made the mass relays, why wouldn't you make yourself surivive an super-nova?

[hitorihanzo]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

Alphyn wrote...

adam_grif wrote...

I'm guessing we won't take the full brunt of the Reaper fleet. If we do, then it will turn out to only be 200 or so Reapers. Maybe less.

Only 200?

We never saw more than that at the end of ME2. We don't have any solid figures. Thousands of reapers is totally infeasible to fight, the "1000 asari dreadnoughts" given by OP is totally ludicrous and ME3 would have to take place like 300 years in the future for that to be possible.

If they put "thousands of reapers" in, the only possible solution is Deus Ex Machine, ala the ending to Independence Day, which was mega lame.

I honestly thought that Independence Day was clever.  How else were they going to beat them?  There was no possible way other than the way presented in the movie.  Anything else would've resulted in the extinction of the human race.

I honestly think that the Star that 's dying - the one that Tali was researching is going to play a huge part in fighting the Reapers.  Perhaps they find out why the star was dying, and then lure the Reapers to a star system, and use the same technique to make that star go nova?  That's the only force that I can think of that could destroy all of the Reapers.  I'm sure that's been tossed around before.

That still leaves room for a huge space battle, one to keep the Reapers in the system, making it look like we're making a last stand, while Shepard and his team make the star die.

we have already noted that mass relays can surivive super novas, makes little sense that reapers can not.

Question:  I thought about that before I posted.  Was that ever said in-game, or in the Codex?  If so, I don't remember it.

Codex. but still, if your an race of machine beings who made the mass relays, why wouldn't you make yourself surivive an super-nova?

Well, because of the amount of energy released when a star goes nova.  For instance, when our Sun goes nova in a few billion years, it will destroy our entire star system- every planet, every moon, every piece of matter.  I didn't think that the Reapers had the ability to destroy entire worlds.  Harvest life from those worlds?  Yes.  Beat FTL travel?  Yes.  And the Reapers can be hurt by the conventional weaponry of the council races. 

But, if it's in the Codex then it's canon and therefore not up for dispute. 

BioWare has made it so that the only way out of their prediciment is a deus ex machina.  Perhaps they find the remains of the beings that created the Reapers in the first place.  Who knows.

Modifié par hitorihanzo, 28 avril 2010 - 06:02 .

[Nivenus]

There'll certainly be an epic space battle. That's assured. But as others have said, it won't be the deciding factor. In the best stories, it never is. The space battle at Endor was epic, but it wasn't the X-wing pilots who had the final victory - it was Luke. The battles in Return of the King were epic, but it was the destruction of the Ring that mattered. And so on.

[Alphyn]

Seriously.



This. Will. Be. AWESOME.

[hitorihanzo]

Nivenus wrote...

There'll certainly be an epic space battle. That's assured. But as others have said, it won't be the deciding factor. In the best stories, it never is. The space battle at Endor was epic, but it wasn't the X-wing pilots who had the final victory - it was Luke. The battles in Return of the King were epic, but it was the destruction of the Ring that mattered. And so on.

Good point.

Anyone think that it possible that the Reapers can't be destroyed?

[Alphyn]

hitorihanzo wrote...

Good point.

Anyone think that it possible that the Reapers can't be destroyed?

Well, Sovereign was.

So... yeah, I guess.

[hitorihanzo]

Alphyn wrote...

hitorihanzo wrote...

Good point.

Anyone think that it possible that the Reapers can't be destroyed?

Well, Sovereign was.

So... yeah, I guess.

Allow me to re-state:  Does anyone think that it is impossible to destroy ALL of the Reapers as a whole?

[Przemo_No]

No it isn't. anything that was created can be destroyed. There's always a way.

Lemme xplain in my next post.

[Przemo_No]

I've actually got a theory that the ONLY way to get rid of Reapers in to ..destroy the Citadel.
As you remember it used to work as gigantic gate for Reapers to come at teh certain point and vanish the living organisms.

What probablty happened was just transforming those races into new Repaers.
(ever wondered why almost all of them look like bugs or sea animals?)

Reapers assume that the surviving race is the most deadly one and that's why they try to eliminate and USE it to build another onr them. And that's why they were after humans/Shep in ME2

But apart from that: The Citadel seems to be the key.
I assume teh ME3 wil lbe a GREAT plot based on the fact that Shepard will have to convince EVERYONE that:
- Citadel must be destroyed as its the ONLY way for Reapers to come to our Galaxy. If they can't they dissapear (starvation :) )
- ALL living races must help him in order to save the LIFE (I assume no race wants to be erased);- what a great use of renegade/paragon ablilites
- all CItadel inhabitants must be allocated elsewhere - this requires using ALL available ships (welcome Quarians) and powers
- of course there will be SOME who will try to stop Shepard (i.e. Cerberus who all of the sudden start to thing that with Collectors' base technology they can rule the Universe)
- speactcular battle MAY happen as described already before but indeed, the CRUCIAL fight will be "suitable" for Shepard and her squad.

Those Reapers seen at the end of ME2 may serve for th epurpose of the BIG-BADA-BATTLE.

Did i say HER? :)

Yes, I play her, can't stand male Shep, besides, She looks nice and I like good looking women

Modifié par Przemo_No, 28 avril 2010 - 07:00 .

[hitorihanzo]

Przemo_No wrote...

I've actually got a theory that the ONLY way to get rid of Reapers in to ..destroy the Citadel.
As you remember it used to work as gigantic gate for Reapers to come at teh certain point and vanish the living organisms.

What probablty happened was just transforming those races into new Repaers.
(ever wondered why almost all of them look like bugs or sea animals?)

Reapers assume that the survivinbg race is teh most deadly one and that's wht they try to eliminate and USE it to build another onr them.

But apart from that: The Citadel seems to be the key.
I assume teh ME3 wil lbe a GREAT plot based on the fact that Shepard will have to convince EVERYONE that:
- Citadel must be destroyed as its the ONLY way for Reapers to come to our Galaxy. If they can't they dissapear (starvation :) )
- ALL living races must help him in order to save the LIFE (I assume no race wants to be erased);- what a great use of renegade/paragon ablilites
- all CItadel inhabitants must be allocated elsewhere - this requires using ALL available ships (welcome Quarians) and powers
- of course there will be SOME who will try to stop Shepard (i.e. Cerberus who all of the sudden start to thing that with Collectors' base technology they can rule the Universe)
- speactcular battle MAY happen as described already before but indeed, the CRUCIAL fight will be "suitable" for Shepard and her squad.

Did i say HER? :)

Yes, I play her, can't stand male Shep, besides, She looks nice and I like good looking women

That's the best theory I've read yet.  Genius, really.   That would make a fantastic game.  Well done. /clap.

[Xanthor]

nov_pl wrote...

I want to see that battle, but I guess there's more than few thousand of Reapers.
Just look.
The Universe is probably 13 750 000 000 yrs old. If the Reapers are building single Reaper by killing a civilization, then the Cycle was repeated 275 000 times, and 275k of Reapers were created.
Tho, we aren't sure if the Reapers are created of a single nation, so this is just a theory.

That's assuming that they were the first sentient species in the Galaxy and were created shortly after the Universe was formed. Which I highly doubt.

Modifié par Xanthor, 28 avril 2010 - 08:32 .

[cruc1al]

Xanthor wrote...

nov_pl wrote...

I want to see that battle, but I guess there's more than few thousand of Reapers.
Just look.
The Universe is probably 13 750 000 000 yrs old. If the Reapers are building single Reaper by killing a civilization, then the Cycle was repeated 275 000 times, and 275k of Reapers were created.
Tho, we aren't sure if the Reapers are created of a single nation, so this is just a theory.

That's assuming that they were the first sentient species in the Galaxy and were created shortly after the Universe was formed. Which I highly doubt.

And that no one's been able to destroy any before (which isn't true: derelict reaper), and that the cycle length used as an estimate is close to the average cycle time which we have no way of actually estimating since we only know of one cycle.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Xanthor wrote...

nov_pl wrote...

I want to see that battle, but I guess there's more than few thousand of Reapers.
Just look.
The Universe is probably 13 750 000 000 yrs old. If the Reapers are building single Reaper by killing a civilization, then the Cycle was repeated 275 000 times, and 275k of Reapers were created.
Tho, we aren't sure if the Reapers are created of a single nation, so this is just a theory.

That's assuming that they were the first sentient species in the Galaxy and were created shortly after the Universe was formed. Which I highly doubt.

The Reapers aren't even native to the Milky Way. They belong to dark space; which is basically "no where".

What I would like to know is if there were any intelligent species that pre-dated the Protheans and colonized the Milky Way before they -- the Protheans -- came to be. I think I remember Liara saying something about pre-Prothean races at some point in ME1, but can't really get to the details.

[Xanthor]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Xanthor wrote...

nov_pl wrote...

I want to see that battle, but I guess there's more than few thousand of Reapers.
Just look.
The Universe is probably 13 750 000 000 yrs old. If the Reapers are building single Reaper by killing a civilization, then the Cycle was repeated 275 000 times, and 275k of Reapers were created.
Tho, we aren't sure if the Reapers are created of a single nation, so this is just a theory.

That's assuming that they were the first sentient species in the Galaxy and were created shortly after the Universe was formed. Which I highly doubt.

The Reapers aren't even native to the Milky Way. They belong to dark space; which is basically "no where".

What I would like to know is if there were any intelligent species that pre-dated the Protheans and colonized the Milky Way before they -- the Protheans -- came to be. I think I remember Liara saying something about pre-Prothean races at some point in ME1, but can't really get to the details.

Liara basically said that she believed the Protheans were not the first to be killed off due to a very small amount of  artifacts that pre-dated the Protheans.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Xanthor wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

Xanthor wrote...

nov_pl wrote...

I want to see that battle, but I guess there's more than few thousand of Reapers.
Just look.
The Universe is probably 13 750 000 000 yrs old. If the Reapers are building single Reaper by killing a civilization, then the Cycle was repeated 275 000 times, and 275k of Reapers were created.
Tho, we aren't sure if the Reapers are created of a single nation, so this is just a theory.

That's assuming that they were the first sentient species in the Galaxy and were created shortly after the Universe was formed. Which I highly doubt.

The Reapers aren't even native to the Milky Way. They belong to dark space; which is basically "no where".

What I would like to know is if there were any intelligent species that pre-dated the Protheans and colonized the Milky Way before they -- the Protheans -- came to be. I think I remember Liara saying something about pre-Prothean races at some point in ME1, but can't really get to the details.

Liara basically said that she believed the Protheans were not the first to be killed off due to a very small amount of  artifacts that pre-dated the Protheans.

Exactly, now I remember. It still raises questions to your head, though.

[inversevideo]

Posted this in a similar thread...



In all honesty, I don't think Shepard will be the one to figure it out, only the one to implement the plan.



I think this whole thing will come full circle.



The Prothean's will be the ones to stop the Reaper invasion.



There were 12 left, at the end of the last invasion.

And we know that for some reason, in most stories, 12 is a mystical number, so it is unlikely that number was chosen at random.

12 Olympian gods

12 Lords of Kobol

12 Titans

12 Cylon models

12 apostles

12 lords a leaping...

12 Prothean survivors of the Conduit project



Vigil thought there would be no food or water to great those 12, when they got to the Citadel.

But we know this to be incorrect.

The Citadel is a trap that was built by the Reapers, and has existed since the first extinction.

It has atmosphere, water, and protein vats (Bailey recently informed us of the protein vats run by the keepers), The water is fresh, and is constantly purified (according to the grounds keeper), And we know there to be areas that are inaccessible to anyone, and only barely glimpsed by 'duct rats'. If I were one of the 12 remaining Protheans, I would send a few cryo chambers through the conduit, knowing that the Citadel will never run out of power, and once my business was done, reprogramming the keepers not to respond to the Reapers signal, seeding the universe with life, maybe even making modifications (Ekindlers), and setting a trap, I would go back to sleep and wait.



If you worked with Chorbin, scanning the Keepers (ME1) he sends you an email, stating that he compared some of the wreckage of Sovereign to the scans of the keepers and determined that they are related. Chorbin also tells you there is a signal telling the keepers 'NOW', something is supposed to happen. I think the Keepers are programmed to awaken the 12 sleeping Protheans.



Why have Harbinger and the other reapers not launched an attack?

50,000 years ago the reapers poured from every mass relay, shutting them down, isolating entire star clusters, and seizing control of the Citadel. Thanks to the '12' having reprogrammed the keepers, the reapers have not taken the Citiadel, but why have they not used the other mass relays, as they did before? I do not believe they have full control of the system. The Citadel is the master relay, and without that, the reapers are reduced to gate users, not gate masters.



I think the Protheans set a trap, at the appropriate time, they will open the Citadel relay, and allow the Reapers to begin the invasion, but before they can exit the wormhole, they will convert the gate, from wormhole to Mass Effect singularity, crushing all the reapers within.



Now I don't know exactly why, but my 'gut' tells me that they will need someone to activate the master relay. Maybe the last of the Protheans has reached the limit of what can be done, even with a sleep chamber, to prolong his/their existence, and they need someone other than a keeper to open the relay. I believe it was said that the keepers have evolved, in some way, beyond their basic programming, so while they may still wake the last prothean(s), they might not do it's bidding beyond that. The prothean will need to reach out, using their relays to touch the one mind left in the galaxy capable of responding to their call for assistance, Shepard.



And in order to save the galaxy, Shepard, is going to have to take the Citadel, by force, since no one will believe her when she tells them they need to open the Citadel relay to stop the Reapers, and with her Geth, Rachni, and Krogan allies in tow, the council and the Alliance will think Shepard has turned into Saren and gone rogue (particularly if TIM makes another Shepard to stop her).



Just my extrapolation, on what has gone before, and certainly BIOWARE will probably go another way, but somehow, it would be a fiting end to the story.

[Zanramon]

Epic^