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[GodBeastX]

After beating dragon age, I had to install Baldur's Gate II since my friends and I wanted to play together. Bioware has made phenomenal games throughout the years. 

[lorderon99999]

Baldur's Gate is my most memorable video game experience...I hope DA:O will live up to that title (I do not have the game yet)



What do you think of the story of DA:O? Can we compare it to the BG series quality?

[texn]

i guess ill make a visit in Athkatla soon.

[Shannara13]

lorderon99999 wrote...

Baldur's Gate is my most memorable video game experience...I hope DA:O will live up to that title (I do not have the game yet)

What do you think of the story of DA:O? Can we compare it to the BG series quality?

Dragon age is very good but not up to the level of the Baldur's Gate series IMO.

[lorderon99999]

I think we will never see a game like baldur's gate again....

[hexaligned]

BG it is not, but it's worth a run through.

[eyesofastorm]

Yeah, I'm not at all disappointed in DA, but I'm afraid the BG's are still my favorites of all time as well. Perhaps, 10 years from now when DA has had enough time to build up some nostalgia factor it will rank of there with BG, but not yet.

[MR-9]

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

[Seifz]

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

[lorderon99999]

I played BGII recently and it still blow away all of these modern games...The story is just increadible...

[hexaligned]

Seifz wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

I still go back and play BG even today, when I'm out of good books to read, I doubt I will even have DAO installed a month from now (mods depending)...so I have to disagree.

[Skellimancer]

Bah! Baldur's Gate 1 is better.

[lorderon99999]

I think what made the BG story soooooo good is that we were no superhero trying to save the world...we were a 'someone' trying to figure out who we were and we were thrown in a an increadible world

[MR-9]

The best part about Baldur's Gate II was the amount of time and work put into it. I've never played a game of D&D in my entire life and you couldn't force me to, but BG is built on D&D and Dragon Age is built on BG. It's funny when a major selling point for a new game is that it is similar to an old one.

[Dezhem]

I agree that nostalgia does tint things in a nice rosy red colour quite often, but in the case of the BG series I must disagree. They're just that good.



Now, I heavily mod my game to remove some of the annoying things (bugs, arrows not stacking) and add absolute shedloads of extra content which helps to keep it fresh. Afterall, there is only so many times one can experience a story before it loses its charm.



The fact that I (and many others) am STILL playing BG1, 2 & TOB after more than a decade since they were released is a testament to the sheer excellence of the game. I fear we won't see another like it until the current trend in development and marketing changes. I do love DA:O, however.

[fro7k]

I prefered BG1 to BG2 until I went back and played BG1 again. I still prefer the game in some ways (much more exploration-centric--I'd even say BG2 is to BG1 what DA:O is to BG2 in this respect) but the dated and buggy engine spoils it. And tutu is no good since it affects balance (class descriptions and weapon slot behaviour are hard-coded).

I also HATED Throne of Bhaal. The game deserved a proper finale and sequel, not an expansion pack that quickly polished off the story (and wasn't concordant with what they were originally planning). The dialog options in TOB sucked--the characters said EXACTLY the same thing no matter what you said to them about 80% of the time, and it got really transparent (I'm wondering if this was a financial tradeoff for having got voice actors to do a lot more). And all the equipment was BS. Watcher's Keep was great though.

I don't agree that Baldur's Gate presents a problem for Bioware because of the precedent to live up to, I think it just means they have less of an excuse to not surpass it. Even BG had flaws and they should have learned from them and made DA:O better, not gone in the other direction.

I'm not sure how far I am into DA:O yet (where's the % completion shown?) but my impressions are that it's a somewhat linear game with fewer landscapes and non-storyline-oriented content than BG, although it gives the illusion of freedom and lets you choose which parts you conquer first. The environments I've been through are very detailed (but the graphics poor for 2009) but with little to interact with, they mainly exist just for you to pass through them. Hidden caches, encounters that flesh out the world (think of how many things you saw on the way to Firkraag for example) are sorely missing. Both BG's had an extremely rich and fleshed out world and this game mostly fleshes out its world by writing about it. The inability to attack whoever you want or talk to whoever you want is also missing from DA.

I read that DA:O has fewer and/or smaller environments because it's a 3D game. Do 3D environments take longer to do than 2D? You're still constructing 3D models in any case, what does it matter if you're pre-rendering them or not? I think the reason this game doesn't have as interesting environments as BG is that it simply wasn't considered a priority to Bioware, not that they consciously had to decide against it due to constrained resources. I could be wrong...

Another issue is the bugs. It's a buggy game for a final release, and some of them are glaringly obvious which makes it baffling that they didn't see them. They should have a whole subforum here just for reporting bugs. Does anyone know of an official channel for reporting bugs? I have a handful in my lap that I want to report, but simply dropping a mention of them in the forum and hoping a dev sees them doesn't seem very reliable.

For an analogy, I'd say this game is to BG what Final Fantasy XII was to the rest of the Final Fantasy series. Very good when viewed in isolation but diminished when compared to its predecessors.

EDIT: Bear in mind though that I'm not sure how much of the game I've completed, and could do an about-face on my opinion.  I get the impression I'll have it finished in a couple of days though.

Modifié par fro7k, 28 novembre 2009 - 11:11 .

[MassFrost]

Is it still possible to get BGII by download somewhere? I've never played it, but after DA:O and hearing all the hype about the Baldur's Gate series I feel inclined to try it out.

[MR-9]

Dezhem wrote...

I fear we won't see another like it until the current trend in development and marketing changes. I do love DA:O, however.

This. Publishers recently have started trying to get the most money out of the least amount of work possible. Creative outlets be damned.

[Aussenseiter]

I played BG2 for the first time a little over 2 years ago, a recommendation from a friend after playing Bioware's more recent games.



It drew me in like none of their other games have ever come close to doing. I think that without a doubt it deserves all the praise it has gotten.

[fro7k]

You won't regret trying it out unless you kick up a fuss about the graphics. I can sort-of understand that since I've gone back to games I played 20 years ago and had my memory of them spoiled, but on the other hand I find BG's graphics to be eternally beautiful; they're very good, they're merely not 3D, and a bit low-res so they're a bit more "representational" of reality rather than recreating it. Also viewing it on a large modern monitor makes it look worse (the irony of monitors is that a better monitor makes a modern game look better but an old game look worse).

[Puzzlewell]

Funny enough I'm rounding out my first playthrough of DA and it has me also pondering going through BG2 again. I think BioWare has done a splendid job of actually doing what a spiritual successor should.

[MR-9]

MassFrost wrote...

Is it still possible to get BGII by download somewhere? I've never played it, but after DA:O and hearing all the hype about the Baldur's Gate series I feel inclined to try it out.

Check your inbox.

[Pennoyer]

I think Dragon Age was held back a little due to it being on consoles as well.

[fro7k]

MR-9 wrote...

Dezhem wrote...

I fear we won't see another like it until the current trend in development and marketing changes. I do love DA:O, however.

This. Publishers recently have started trying to get the most money out of the least amount of work possible. Creative outlets be damned.

I mentioned Final Fantasy in this thread previously--they take as long as they please to finish a game.  But then they're not at the mercy of a publisher, they ARE the publisher.

I think there may be a diminishing return on the amount of effort put in versus the amount of money a game makes.  Plenty of games got critical acclaim or were praised by word of mouth but didn't sell in proportion to the extra degree of praise they received.  I'm not entirely sure why this is the case, though.  How many copies did BG2 sell?

[Treylinn]

BG > DA

BG Combat > DA

D&D Rules > DA Rules



And I won't compare stories. The point is BG felt more mature in its combat and ruleset while DA feels a little juvenile in that respect. I am not madly in love with D&D rules and prefer other rulesets in my tabletop RPGs but DA needs to add a bit more depth to the classes, skills, etc. to give its combat as rich a feel as BG had. I will say that Rogues feel much better in combat then they did in BG. So in that case I guess



DA Rogue > BG Rogue