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[demonitechef]

I think they have 2 years or something like planned for downloadable content for DA:O. Hopefully, they'll make something of a mini-xpac and send us beyond Ferelden. I would kill hundreds to be able to see Orlais and Antiva, or even the Qunari lands.

[fro7k]

Landozelig wrote...

Does anyone know if the games run under Windows 7? Possibly using XP mode? I may have to dig out all my old CD's, DVD's and manuals.

It might depend on your gfx card/drivers, but for me, BG1 had some graphical problems (showing black for colour 0 instead of transparent on sprites), but BG2 runs for me just fine.  Not sure about XP mode.

[fro7k]

You know what would be good? If they re-released Baldur's Gate in yet another bundle, but this time re-render all the graphics in high-def resolution, and updated the executable for modern machines and OSs, and implement an official seamless transition between BG1 and 2. Everything else would be kept the same, except for all the bugs that have been unearthed over the years.



I'd buy it, and I've replayed BG2 more than any other game in my life (5 or 6 times).

[Xiphias]

Baldurs Gate 2 was good for me because it was one of the only Bioware games with a decent amount of storytelling in it, a lot of their recent games have just had you completing a lump of tasks with a few scenes afterwards for the ending. Plus of course they concentrated on the small bits much more. I dare say if we had a quiz most people would be able to remember more BG2 items than even ones from mass effect or dragon age because of their excellent descriptions and varied icons.



I think DA was largely a grand experiment on how worthwhile it is to make your choices matter. It's produced a very good game, but personally I'd rather have a grand story instead.

[Noin_dwarf]

Does anyone know if the games run under Windows 7? Possibly using XP mode? I may have to dig out all my old CD's, DVD's and manuals.

Second one and trilogy runs fine, and without any problem. Not sure about first one though.

You know what would be good? If they re-released Baldur's Gate in yet another bundle, but this time re-render all the graphics in high-def resolution, and updated the executable for modern machines and OSs, and implement an official seamless transition between BG1 and 2. Everything else would be kept the same, except for all the bugs that have been unearthed over the years.

I can recommend you Baldurs Gate Trilogy fan project - only one issue that this project combine both games in one on engine of second BG, so first one is a bit changed in it. And download Baldurs Gate wide-screen mod - works excellent for my 1280 x 800,i afraid though that in resolution higher than that all things will be just too small

[adam_nox]

Seifz wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

really ff8 was better in many ways than ff7.  But it was easily too sophisticated for the age group that usually plays those games.

[OgrynFlesh]

Oh I didn't install it. Baldur's Gate has *always* been on my computer. So long that it doesn't even show up in the registry, the comp doesn't recognise it as installed. And packed with so many mods that the full trilogy takes up more than 10gb.



There've been a few attempts before at recreating the game in both Neverwinter Nights engines, but the game is so damn... epic it was never quite managed. I think.

[fro7k]

I can recommend you Baldurs Gate Trilogy fan project - only one issue that this project combine both games in one on engine of second BG, so first one is a bit changed in it. And download Baldurs Gate wide-screen mod - works excellent for my 1280 x 800,i afraid though that in resolution higher than that all things will be just too small

No, that's merely displaying the same graphics in a higher resolution.  I was suggesting re-rendering the graphics at that resolution.

[Seifz]

Dr3xx wrote...

Seifz wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

I mostly agree with you, but I'm not sure what drugs you're on to think that FF10 was better than FF7 in any single way. FF10 is an abomination.

See?  Everyone has such fond memories of FFVII that they're willing to overlook its poor graphics, terrible magic system, overly cliche storyline, bland party members, and ridiculously annoying side quests (golden chocobo, anyone?).  It didn't have voice acting, it had very few CG scenes, the combat was incredibly trivial, the characters all played exactly the same +/- whatever materia you loaded them up with...

I mean, I played FFVII back when it was new.  It was my first FF and I absolutely loved it.  But then 8 was better, 9 sucked, and 10 just blew the others away.  Sadly, 10 is still tops because 11 was a MMO and 12 got boring about halfway through when I realized that I wasn't even playing most of the combat sequences because the gambits did it for me.

[Shannara13]

Seifz wrote...

Dr3xx wrote...

Seifz wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

I mostly agree with you, but I'm not sure what drugs you're on to think that FF10 was better than FF7 in any single way. FF10 is an abomination.

See?  Everyone has such fond memories of FFVII that they're willing to overlook its poor graphics, terrible magic system, overly cliche storyline, bland party members, and ridiculously annoying side quests (golden chocobo, anyone?).  It didn't have voice acting, it had very few CG scenes, the combat was incredibly trivial, the characters all played exactly the same +/- whatever materia you loaded them up with...

I mean, I played FFVII back when it was new.  It was my first FF and I absolutely loved it.  But then 8 was better, 9 sucked, and 10 just blew the others away.  Sadly, 10 is still tops because 11 was a MMO and 12 got boring about halfway through when I realized that I wasn't even playing most of the combat sequences because the gambits did it for me.

Or maybe you should realize that other people like different things from you. Graphics make almost no difference in my opinion on games. I love D&D Rules. For FFVII I liked the magic system, I prefered the storyline to any of the other FF games, I liked the party members, voice acting can be a slight plus if you have good voice actors but if you have annoying ones it can be a huge negative, Combat was no more trivial than any other FF game.

Modifié par Shannara13, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:03 .

[bzombo]

MassFrost wrote...

Is it still possible to get BGII by download somewhere? I've never played it, but after DA:O and hearing all the hype about the Baldur's Gate series I feel inclined to try it out.

if you think you can get past 2d graphics, then i most definitely suggest it. i love the games and still play them. graphics are not my priority, so i don't need super flashy graphics to enjoy a game. that said, some people now have trouble looking at 10 year old graphics. i suggest you play bg1 and then play bg2. get the whole story and experience everything. a quick google search should point you to places that sell the games. i think there's now a bg compilation of all games and expansions.

Modifié par bzombo, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:08 .

[Seifz]

Shannara13 wrote...

Seifz wrote...

Dr3xx wrote...

Seifz wrote...

MR-9 wrote...

BioWare screwed themselves with BGII. They made a game so outstanding that from now on, they can only make games that are worse. 3D is highly overrated.

To be honest, BGII is highly overrated.  I certainly enjoyed it the first time, but I just can't go back and play it now.  The terrible interface, the terrble AD&D rules, the terrible graphics... Too painful for a story and characters that I already know.

In my experience, BGII fans have the same mentality as FFVII fans.  Both games were outstanding on release, and for a few years after that.  Since then, they've both been eclipsed by better games (FFX in the case of FFVII, and I'd say DA:O in the case of BGII).  But everyone remembers just how awesome those other games were, and nothing can shake that idea!  Unless they go and play them again...

I mostly agree with you, but I'm not sure what drugs you're on to think that FF10 was better than FF7 in any single way. FF10 is an abomination.

See?  Everyone has such fond memories of FFVII that they're willing to overlook its poor graphics, terrible magic system, overly cliche storyline, bland party members, and ridiculously annoying side quests (golden chocobo, anyone?).  It didn't have voice acting, it had very few CG scenes, the combat was incredibly trivial, the characters all played exactly the same +/- whatever materia you loaded them up with...

I mean, I played FFVII back when it was new.  It was my first FF and I absolutely loved it.  But then 8 was better, 9 sucked, and 10 just blew the others away.  Sadly, 10 is still tops because 11 was a MMO and 12 got boring about halfway through when I realized that I wasn't even playing most of the combat sequences because the gambits did it for me.

Or maybe you should realize that other people like different things from you. Graphics make almost no difference in my opinion on games. I love D&D Rules. For FFVII I liked the magic system, I prefered the storyline to any of the other FF games, I liked the party members, voice acting can be a slight plus if you have good voice actors but if you have annoying ones it can be a huge negative, Combat was no more trivial than any other FF game.

That's not the point, though.  There's not actually anything special about FFVII anymore.  It's all been done by others, and it's all been done better.  I mean, come on!

Materia?  Anyone can use any spell just because they have an orb?  And your orbs have to gain XP?  Could it get any more simplistic and boring?  And the characters... they're all the same in combat!  There aren't any characters that are clearly healers or clearly melee, or whatever.  The stats are so simplistic that you can make anyone do anything and be totally successful.  The combat was "attack until it's over" for anything that wasn't a boss, and bosses were "attack until you need to heal, then heal."  If you had Knights of the Round, every battle (even bosses) became "KotR, end."  Gah!

Graphics aren't a big deal, for sure, but that doesn't mean that they aren't something to consider.  It's much easier to get lost in a world with pretty graphics, great voice acting, and realistic animations.  FFVII had none of those.  Added with the overly cliche story (come on... bad guy with long hair and a big sword that wants to destroy the world, but really he's just emo 'cuz his momma didn't love him and he finds out he's a clone?), the lack of any real party interaction, and the too simple combat system, it's just... blah.

Like I said, I was a huge FFVII fan back in the day.  It was a great game!  It's just been surpassed by others.  FFVIII was better in terms of combat, characters, story, and graphics.  FFX added to that with a less cliche story, more complex characters, a more advanced combat system, much prettier graphics, and voices (most of which were good!).

BGII is the same, for me.  Yeah, D&D is great, but AD&D 2ed. sucks for CRPGs.  Looking back, I can't understand why I didn't hate it before.  D&D 3.5ed was much, much better.  BGII's graphics weren't all that great, even for their time.  The party members were really good, but DA:O's are better because they have deeper personalities and much, much, much more dialogue.  The story in BGII was great, but now I already know how it goes so I just can't force myself to suffer through the bad combat system and graphics to play it again.  Besides all of that, BGII has so many bugs that I need to patch just to make it playable!  Gah!

I'm not sure how many times I'll play through DA:O.  Probably once for each origin, and then never again until we get an expansion.  But that's more times than I could get through BGII.

[Shannara13]

Seifz wrote...

That's not the point, though.  There's not actually anything special about FFVII anymore.  It's all been done by others, and it's all been done better.  I mean, come on!

Materia?  Anyone can use any spell just because they have an orb?  And your orbs have to gain XP?  Could it get any more simplistic and boring?  And the characters... they're all the same in combat!  There aren't any characters that are clearly healers or clearly melee, or whatever.  The stats are so simplistic that you can make anyone do anything and be totally successful.  The combat was "attack until it's over" for anything that wasn't a boss, and bosses were "attack until you need to heal, then heal."  If you had Knights of the Round, every battle (even bosses) became "KotR, end."  Gah!

Graphics aren't a big deal, for sure, but that doesn't mean that they aren't something to consider.  It's much easier to get lost in a world with pretty graphics, great voice acting, and realistic animations.  FFVII had none of those.  Added with the overly cliche story (come on... bad guy with long hair and a big sword that wants to destroy the world, but really he's just emo 'cuz his momma didn't love him and he finds out he's a clone?), the lack of any real party interaction, and the too simple combat system, it's just... blah.

Like I said, I was a huge FFVII fan back in the day.  It was a great game!  It's just been surpassed by others.  FFVIII was better in terms of combat, characters, story, and graphics.  FFX added to that with a less cliche story, more complex characters, a more advanced combat system, much prettier graphics, and voices (most of which were good!).

BGII is the same, for me.  Yeah, D&D is great, but AD&D 2ed. sucks for CRPGs.  Looking back, I can't understand why I didn't hate it before.  D&D 3.5ed was much, much better.  BGII's graphics weren't all that great, even for their time.  The party members were really good, but DA:O's are better because they have deeper personalities and much, much, much more dialogue.  The story in BGII was great, but now I already know how it goes so I just can't force myself to suffer through the bad combat system and graphics to play it again.  Besides all of that, BGII has so many bugs that I need to patch just to make it playable!  Gah!

I'm not sure how many times I'll play through DA:O.  Probably once for each origin, and then never again until we get an expansion.  But that's more times than I could get through BGII.

The problem is that everything in your post is an opinion but you don't seem to recognize it as such.

[ThomasRipley]

I just have to plus the bashing of FF X, I never played a game so boring.
And the english voices were terrible(I shiver just thinking about the voice of the main character)....
As for FF12 I liked the gambit system personally(anyway the combats in jrpgs have never been complex enough that they require actual thinking...) but the plot was pretty terrible, felt like I was following a randomly generated plot...Personally I think the whole FF franchise is overrated.

As for Baldur's gate 2(since it's the subject of the thread), I have to say it's still an awesome game even nowadays. Of course it lacks the lustre of Dragon Age with it's cinematics and complete voice acting but it had such an epic plot(there are few games where you start as a lowly grunt and end up a god), it had 2 very different factions you could join(the thieves and the vampires), it had a wide variety of environement(sewers, city, castle, dragon dungeon, vampire dungeon, forest, the sphere, and many others I can't think of atm). You could also get your own stronghold depending on your class, it had many interesting sidequests and many secrets.

Of course with the full voice acting and animations requirements of today a game like this can't be done anymore, and I think Dragon Age is the best we will get nowadays(and it's still a great game even if not as huge as BG2 was).

Modifié par ThomasRipley, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:23 .

[Noin_dwarf]

For me one of the main issues in DAO - battles and event's there isn't various. I mean, in only one Finkraag's quest we met:

Orcs, half-ogres, whole bunch of undeads, party of cruel treasure hunters, golems, few djinnes with their strange phrases, which though has meaning, one beholder-guard and etc..

Every encounter was different from each over.

I think game with such graphic and animation like in DAO would be better on D&D or even Warhammer setting. They could create interesting setting by themselves too, but i suppose current Bio scenarist has less fantasy than one who wrote BG plot

[MartinJHolm]

OP, I'm not sure if it's still available but if you have iwd2 as well there is a mod that lets you use the IWD2 engine for BG, so you get much better graphics but it also uses the D&D 3.5 rules (which I personally prefer over D&D 2 but some dislike the newer ones).



I think the project was call Icewind Gate or something.

[Nightfish103]

Personally I found Planescape: Torment a lot better than BG2, especially the first time around. The characters are generally better developed and I found the setting very refreshing. Plus the main story wasn't "save the world", but rather something very personal, which pretty much never happens in CRPGs. I liked that a lot.



Anyway, I like a lot of games, I don't see why I can't enjoy DA:O, PS:T and BG, and a whole lot of other abbreviations as well.

[Smkswazi]

for me bg 2 makes me install bg 2 not da:o

[Zenthar Aseth]

BG2 is ageless. I mean, it just hits the sweet spot. The Interface is not clunky. The graphics will always be good because they're 2D.



Whereas BG1 is way too clunky for me to play nowdays.. PS:T, too. BG2 gives me no problems whatsoever, though.

[astrallite]

MartinJHolm wrote...

OP, I'm not sure if it's still available but if you have iwd2 as well there is a mod that lets you use the IWD2 engine for BG, so you get much better graphics but it also uses the D&D 3.5 rules (which I personally prefer over D&D 2 but some dislike the newer ones).

I think the project was call Icewind Gate or something.

IWD2 engine never implemented dual wielding so while the interface was cleaner, I couldn't go back to it...

[Spaceweed10]

This is just nostalgia talking - DA:O blows BG completely away.

[Legion-001]

astrallite wrote...

MartinJHolm wrote...

OP, I'm not sure if it's still available but if you have iwd2 as well there is a mod that lets you use the IWD2 engine for BG, so you get much better graphics but it also uses the D&D 3.5 rules (which I personally prefer over D&D 2 but some dislike the newer ones).

I think the project was call Icewind Gate or something.

IWD2 engine never implemented dual wielding so while the interface was cleaner, I couldn't go back to it...

Wha?... What do you mean the IWD2 engine 'never implemented dual wielding'?

Spaceweed10 wrote...

This is just nostalgia talking - DA:O blows BG completely away.

No it ISN'T nostalgia, I wish DA:O 'fanboys' would STOP saying that the only reason that people think BG or BG2 is better then DA:O is because of nostalgia... Nostalgia only works if the people in question has never played BG or BG2 in a long time and thus remembers it more fondly then they would otherwise, most people praising BG and BG2 over DA:O have RECENTLY played BG or BG2 thus eliminating any nostalgia.

It doesn't take nostalgia to make the Baldur's Gate series brilliant games... They already ARE brilliant games.

Modifié par Legion-001, 29 novembre 2009 - 12:36 .

[bjdbwea]

I would add that the romances in BG 2 were better too. Most lines weren't voiced, sure, but the romances felt better intertwined with the rest of the story, the side quests were much better, not to speak of the detailed and beautiful epilogues. Oh, and the music! Amazing and perfectly fitting for every companion.



If anyone reads this thread and intends to play BG, I can only recommend it. Beats all that "bang! bang! boom!" stuff that the industry forces on us today (Mass Effect of course has that too, but it also has so much more). But what I wanted to say is this: Don't be put off by BG 1 - while you should play that first, BG 2 is much, much better in every regard.

[Mystic dream]

I think it's pretty arrogant to say it's "just nostalgia", considering there are still many people actually playing the game, asking help/tips and whatnot in the forums (myself included). The game still manages to bring a fun experience. With that said I'm not going to say Dragon age is worse than BG2,

and it is one of the few single player games i have bothered to put inside my disk drive beside BG2. They are both wonderful games.

[Noin_dwarf]

This is just nostalgia talking - DA:O blows BG completely away.

Few examples why you wrong (I wish you would be right though):

1. BG world was much bigger and had much more locations, more qwests and freedom of actions.

2. BG had far better ruleset (Some can say: warriors had only autoattack omgomg11, but process of character's creation + magic was much more complicated, in result = battles in BG more interesting) .

3. World of BG was more various. It's of course plus not for everybody - some prefers more "realistic" settings. I'm not. I loved PS:T so greatly, partly be course of such eccentric and complicated world...

Short summary.

Encounters in BG were more interesting, ruleset and magic system too, world was much bigger and more various, plot was more original, so obviously DAO, unfortunately didn't beat BG at all. Far didn't.

DAO is still great and very good for nowadays games (which for my taste total bull**** usually), like ME. But they so far from, already classical, monumental and epic games - BG 1&2, PS:T...

And i'm only 17 years old yet, played in BG for two or three years now, and on my computer this game always was and seems always will be. It's not nostalgia, this game just that good.