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[13Dannyboy13]

That's the plan, no need to give them any more of my money, just one more game to collect dust on my shelf next to the games that actually get supported, this is definitely the last EA game I will pre-order. Until they get their sh*t together I'm going to avoid their games period, not to mention they need to get their heads out of their backsides when dealing with the people that buy their games.

Patches are a priviledge? Are you f**king kidding me?!  Perhaps patches for small minor bugs, but when a game has major gamebreaking bugs, patches are a f**king responsibility of the company making it not a priviledge, that is just such an ignorant comment. Make a game that works properly and patches being slow won't be an issue becuase it will still be very playable while people wait. Making a game and having a main stat not function properly since day one, and then doing nothing to fix it is complete bullsh*t, especially since it's a minor tweak that was fixed by pc players in a few days.

Hiding behind the EULA and using it as an excuse for horrible support is just a very low, and  plain sh*tty thing to do, it's just a big FU to the people who spent their hard earned money buying this game only to hit some major bugs, and are then told that if they're priviledged enough the company that made the game might fix it.

It's obvious that rushing out countless dlc and the sequels are more important than keeping loyal fans, by supporting their games. It makes me wonder, do they really think that we're gonna waste our money on sequels when their sh*tty, non-existant support of the original made us stop playing it?

Modifié par 13Dannyboy13, 15 mai 2010 - 01:00 .

[Miller Time 73]

Sadly yes they probably do think we're going to waste our money on sequels. You've seen the next DLCs announcement thread. Reading that comment about patches being a privilege unleashed an anger and vitriol not seen in awhile.  Unfortunately the people that see what is going on and wont purchase another game from them are in the minority.

I was looking forward to The Old Republic but now why bother wasting the money on it.  MMOs requires massive support with sometimes weekly patching, communicating with the message boards, and the fanbase playing the game.  I don't think BW or EA are willing to do that.

So I think the chances of us seeing a patch for consoles are a snow cones chance in hell.  The only way I could see it happening would be if they noticed a sever drop in the people purchasing the dlc.  But they would probably just decide to stop making dlc for this game and move on.
On a positive note 4 days till Red Dead Redemption and Allan Wake.

Modifié par Miller Time 73, 15 mai 2010 - 03:11 .

[13Dannyboy13]

Miller Time 73 wrote...

Sadly yes they probably do think we're going to waste our money on sequels. You've seen the next DLCs announcement thread. To see this game go from what they wanted to do, to this is just sad to see. And reading that comment about patches being a privilege unleashed an anger and vitriol not seen in awhile.

I was looking so forward to The Old Republic now I'm not wasting money on it because I don't think they will support it like Blizzard supports WoW.
On a positive note 4 days till Red Dead Redemption and Allan Wake.

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Red Dead Redemption, Allan Wake looks very interesting too, kinda like the silent hill games were, plus UFC 2010 a week later and Alpha Protocol at the end of the month.  As interesting as ToR looks I'm definitely waiting at least 6 months to see if they can actually support the game before even considering it.

[Lyna357]

Hi guys. 360 console user here, a little late.
Reading this thread made me sad. What ever happened to people taking pride in their work? I am sure that they work hard to make the games, but that Stanley Woo comment about doing us a favor to patch the game? What is that supposed to make us think? You would think they would want to make their customers happy even if it is a small part of the total customer base. It saddens me to think how video games have become just another business to be traded on Wall Street with the 'suits' in control, treating them strictly as such.

Dragon Age: Origins was my first BioWare game. I enjoyed it very much and played it several times. The only way this was possible though was going on the forums and spoiling my game so that I would know what to do to get around the problems I was having.  It was kind of disappointing but the story was so compelling that I wanted to keep going. I wish I could say the same for Awakenings. I almost didn't buy it, then decided to give them another chance. For me, everything I held dear in Origins was lacking ~ the dialogues, the romance, the impact of my decisions carring over were slim or non-exsistant. The ending to Awakenings seemed rushed and was particularly disappointing and anti-climactic. I am just so tired of begging for a patch and will not support the latest DLC or any further offerings until they show us some respect.

As many of you stated above that BioWare made awesome games until the EA takeover. Although I did not play any of those, I can offer that The Sims was a good franchise when Maxis made the first one. After EA takeover it went down-hill and was one of the buggiest games to hit the pc. Though I bought into (some of) the Sims 2, I flat out refused to buy Sims 3. I am probably not going to ruin the franchise but at least I am taking a stand on principal. 

I'm sorry but the mental frustration of this game is just not worth it any more. I have been "hardened" like Alistair ~ "all she wants is your money". So it is time to look out for myself and move on to another game such as Borderlands or Red Dead Redemption. Fall Out: New Vegas sounds really good in the near future.

[edgarcabrerauk]

With regards of Mr. Woo's comment, another disturbing thing is that none of the management has made an statement such as: " Mr. Woo was speaking out of reason because that day he was taking these green pills..." or the usual "EA/BW do not subscribe nor support the comments of their employees, we are etc"... absolutely fuk all!. This only shows, again, the level or professionalism EA/BW is having.



As we have declare no more money for EA/BW and I hope they keep creating buggy games. having zero support and zero respect for their clients.

[13Dannyboy13]

Yeah, that comment was quite disturbing. Sadly they are blind to the fact that good support for their games is what good businesses do. If there a major bug, it needs to be addressed in a decent amount of time, if they do that people will be happy and keep playing. Saying that patches for a game with major flaws are a privilidge is just pure ignorance, I have to agree with Lyna that the suits are running things and they couldn't give two sh*ts about games, only the profits they can make from them.

I'm having doubts thatI'll get the sequel when it comes out as well, sounds like they are going to go the ME2 route and "dumb it down" to try and appeal to a bigger audience. ME2 isn't bad, but I really miss the planning you had to do to make your character, and the amount of abilities you got, ME2 really feels much more like a shooter with some minor rpg elements. It's still fun to play, but the replayability of it is much less than the first one IMO. As for their MMO, if they don't sop saying sh*t like patches are a privilidge, it will fail horribly and completely, if you don't patch a MMO quickly you will lose players very fast, and there are plenty of MMO out there.

It's just sad to see this downward spiral of what once was my favorite game company, I'm sure that Bioware has little say in the matter since they answer to EA, they just get to sit there and watch their company being eaten up and spit out by EA. I wonder if there will be anything left of the old Bioware when EA is through using them as a cash cow.

[edgarcabrerauk]

I like ME2, it has its flaws as you mentioned. I really like the graphics. quite clean and clear, but that's my personal taste. Indeed, it doesn't have the replayability, but adding a new companion adds some more fun, because of my playing style, Miss Goto is a good addition.



Perhaps if the original team of BW creates a new company and start doing things as in the old times, I would support them with no problems.

[13Dannyboy13]

I have a hard time replaying ME2 for some reason, it just seems like 90% of the game is finding your team, then a few missions dealing collectors and it's over. Plus I hate the new system for getting minerals, it makes me want to fall asleep, glad I have a lv60 character from ME1 to use as a starting point. (50k each mineral to start, yay!) Kasumi was cool, but she was 540 points when Zaeed was free, they both have a short mission and a new weapon and power, yet one was free one wasn't. I worry that the sequel for DA will get the same treatment that ME2 got, which is dumbing down the rpg aspect in a way. If they do that it will turn into just another hack n slash, but if it appeals to a larger audience EA will do it. Too bad these companies aren't run by gamers instead of suits, it would be nice to see what a company that was purely about the games could do.

[edgarcabrerauk]

I agree that ME2 is sort of short, and yes the rpg elements are less. I had hard time in the bloody combats because as you mentioned, it is more like a shooter, but since you can pause to use powers so I learnt to use it. Yes, I've fallen asleep looking for minerals, lol, it is just horrible.



On regards DAO, I read a post here from a pure RPG player, omg, most of the people flamed him despite the fact he made various valid points, from RPG point of view. One thing he mentioned was the battles, he used the god mode for fighting bosses and many people never forgave that, so it seems that hack and lash route is what EA/BW is aiming to, adding more gory deads and similar.



I'm looking forward for Alpha Protocol because according to the previews, it is more RPG oriented, you are free to add abilities that suit your playing style, you could be more hacker oriented, or gun man oriented or stealth oriented, also it has this multiple system for dialogues.. focusing more in the right construction of your character and the outcome of your choices... I think most shooter gamers would find this disappointing and could not attract as many people as ME2. I'll see how this AP turns out.

[13Dannyboy13]

I was going to buy Alpha Protocol last year when it was supposed to come out in september. The long delay makes me think, that unlike some other companies, they saw that there was some major bugs and delayed it instead of releasing and patching later. Even if it did annoy me, I have to applaud the way they dealt with the situation, much more professional than some other companies I can think of....

[edgarcabrerauk]

Agreed, that is a very good practice, just wait and see if our assumptions are right... all those previews about DAO were good, but no one talked about the issues in Xbox... I remember this member of the forum that to be claimed "The Game of the Year" is sufficient proof that DAO can be played with no problems by most people.... interesting sort of thinking, no wonder how marketing can influence on people...

[MuLepton]

Eh, I'd wait a bit with AP - it does sound good, but Obsidian's history with bugs isn't a great one, and KotOR II's entire storyline was horrbily mangled because they couldn't make the release date. Wait at least one ro two months after it's been released to see how smooth it runs.



Personally, I started a second ME2 playthrough, then discovered Bayonetta, which is a fun button-masher even though I totally suck at it. Then I got the SC2 beta, and now Steam (and with it Torchlight and Portal) is out for Macs. By the time I'm done with those, Cataclysm will be out, which might mean I actually might play WoW again, and then SC2 retail. So, my gaming "needs" are certainly covered for the rest of the year and beyond.



One thing I'm pretty sure about is that I won't get DA2. ME3 depends greatly on where they go with the gameplay - ME2 already was borderline on the FPS part.

[edgarcabrerauk]

That is sensible, I'm still deciding on get AP, but perhaps I follow the safe route: wait around 6-8 months after the release and get the GOTY edition with all the dlc's included as Fallout 3 and Batman Arkham, as I did... cheaper and fully tested it.

Indeed, I won't get neither DA2, ME3 nor another game from BW since this horrible customer experience... and it clearly seems this is a corporate directive...

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 16 mai 2010 - 05:05 .

[ljwaves]

Will we ever see a real patch for consoles?



Simple answer - no.

[13Dannyboy13]

I already have Red Dead Redemption preordered, I do agree with waiting on AP though, Obsidian is kinda hit-and-miss with games, definitely one to rent first. This game is just gonna go on a shelf to collect dust because it's not even worth trading in, could barely get $20 for it.

[Grimgor79]

13Dannyboy13 wrote...

I already have Red Dead Redemption preordered, I do agree with waiting on AP though, Obsidian is kinda hit-and-miss with games, definitely one to rent first. This game is just gonna go on a shelf to collect dust because it's not even worth trading in, could barely get $20 for it.

 This is the correct plan of action. Red Dead should be awesome right out of the gates, I would have this pre-ordered myself but with a June Birthday someone will most likely get it for me, an excellent B-Day gift IMO .

 Like most have said, Alpha Protocal looks really good but Obsidian has a somewhat checkered past so a bit of patience is in order here. After a month or 2 of reviews you will know whether it's worth buying or not (and what bugs it may have).

Let's hope Obsidian is on their game as they are working on Fallout: New Vegas as well, could easily be Game of the Year if they do it right. Lots of great games coming out this year.

[13Dannyboy13]

I can't wait for fallout: new vegas, I still play fallout 3, I got hooked on the huge open world games from morrowind and oblivion. It may be a bit slow at times, but it's great to have such a huge area to explore. I will buy fallout over DA2 or ME3 any day, I have no faith left in EA/Bioware from their performance with this game. Saying fixes are being worked on for seven months while rushing out an expansion and multiple dlc leave little question as to where the resources are going. Is a patch being worked on? Maybe, but how many people are actually working on it, my guess it's some guy with his office in the basement working alone.

[edgarcabrerauk]

Yes Fallout 3 is really massive, I've read some post talking about how "massive" DAO is, of course they do not know what "massive" means. Yes Fallout: New Vegas is a much awaited title, and lets hope it is up to the task. As for BW, they release a ME2 patch, which is welcome but as someone else said, the game really has no bugs, much of the fixes were things I wasn't aware of... except for the mineral scan thingy, which was fixed; it is no the general rule along BW, thought.  I say, that is a nice sweet but not enough to get rid of the bitterness cause by DAO and DAA... and as many of us, my support to EA/BW is over, of all the companies, as customer and as consultant, that I've had business with, EA/BW it's been the worst by all means...

Modifié par edgarcabrerauk, 17 mai 2010 - 11:45 .

[13Dannyboy13]

It will be nice having a properly working game to play tomorrow, the store already called and I can go grab RDR tomorrow. I don't really consider DA to be massive at all, the areas have no replayability to them, you go in kill everything then the area is a ghost town, nothing respawns and there's really no open areas to explore, plus you are limited to choosing an area on the map instead of having the world to explore. I didn't even know there was a patch for ME2, shows how much I play it since I finished it twice then basicly lost interest. I doubt they fixed the text issue which is my only real concern for that game.

Sadly tomorrow many people will mindlessly grab the new dlc, without a thought to what it says to the company, it basicly tells them that they can sit on their asses and do nothing to fix the game and they can still make a ton of cash. It's been the same with all the dlc and the expansion, too many people refuse to stop supporting them until we actually see some support ourselves, so they continue to do the same thing, which is say they're looking into fixes while telling us about the new dlc. Sad how easily people can be pleased by another hour of content that has little to do with the game when nothing is being done to fix the problems that have been there almost seven months.

[edgarcabrerauk]

Well, just read some fresh comments with regards the Drakspawn DLC and most claim it is buggy, really buggy!!! .... I must thank EA/BW for not let me down on doing buggy and crappy games... the coming tempest will be great!

[MEMANIAsama]

I'm surprised people even purchase DLC when it's released, lol. Every time something new is out all I hear is "OMG! THIS GAME IS BUGGY!" It's like... wow, Dragon Age has to be one of the worst coded games ever made.

[edgarcabrerauk]

Indeed, if they are having so much trouble to patch it, in terms of software engineering this must be an absolute mess and this only shows one thing: the product is defective... but you don't have to be an Einstein to figure that out..



I think I won't be present when everything just explodes, on Friday a copy of RDR is arriving and this EA/BW chapter will be closed.

[13Dannyboy13]

People will keep buying the dlc as soon as it's released no matter what, I don't understand it, but it's what happens every time. From what I read it's supposed to be really laggy in some parts. Not only that it seems inpossible to actually lose, it's a mindless hack-n-slash for a quick cash grab. The ME patch looks like it actually fixes a few things, but the text issue isn't getting anything, as for the DA patch it's only ps3 to help with the constant crashes.

Oh well, didn't expect any bugs for this game to actually get fixed, would've been a nice surprise though...

[MonkeyChief117]

Read Dead Redemption on Friday - DA will be out of the disk tray for a very long time if the RDR reviews i've read are true.



Lets face it, BW/EA don't care about DA - look at ME2 which had some minor bugs but nothing anyone could really moan about, compared to the 'bugfest' which is DA. ME is more profitable than DA because its mainstream. So I never really expected much support for DA . . .



. . . but this is beyond a joke.

[13Dannyboy13]

MonkeyChief117 wrote...

Read Dead Redemption on Friday - DA will be out of the disk tray for a very long time if the RDR reviews i've read are true.

Lets face it, BW/EA don't care about DA - look at ME2 which had some minor bugs but nothing anyone could really moan about, compared to the 'bugfest' which is DA. ME is more profitable than DA because its mainstream. So I never really expected much support for DA . . .

. . . but this is beyond a joke.

I just got RDR yesterday and I have to say so far it's living up to the hype. I like what they did with the outfits as well, instead of just unlocking them, once they are unlocked you have to complete certain tasks or/and buy some pieces. There are a lot of little mini-games as well, poker, blackjack, liar dice, 5 finger fillet, it's nice to be able to take a break and play some poker.
As for DA, it's already got some dust on it, and I'm guessing it will get a lot more before they actually fix it, if, they actually fix it I should say. It's just sad that so many people continue to blindly support then when it's glaring obvious they don't give a f*ck about fixing this game, only about how much money they can squeeze out of people before they say "f*ck it" and move on to another game. Shouldn't be long now before they realize that there are a lot of good games coming out this year and if they don't do something substantial, they will continue to lose fans. As it is now they have lost a lot of the people that have supported them for years in favor of gaining new fans that for the most part just play the newest games and won't give the same kind of support that the diehard fans that they've lost would have.
Oh well back to RDR, need to catch another horse since they shot mine.