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[Amnesiac Jack]

The wording of it kind of hurt my feelings to be honest, it says I commanded Alistair to die?

I let him take the final blow since it was the only choice in the entire game that he was actually willing to stand up and do on his own with out being pushed or coereced into it. I fully intended to take the death my self (so much so that I left Morrigan at the end of the castle so as not to give her a child and escape my doom) and let him go happily marry Anora but upon his urging and being so sincere I let him. It only felt right, how could I deny him what he thought was his lifes calling?

Now you wrack me with guilt and brand me by saying I commanded him to die? That kind of takes away from his sacrifice if you ask me.



*just joking about being hurt about it*


*mostly*

[Mordern]

Happily married to Anora? Seemed to me like the only reason he wanted to die so bad was so that he wouldn't have to try hard at being king.

[Amnesiac Jack]

Well I said happily because after I beat it and he died I still got the ending where he was alive and happy.



Such a tease.

[Mordern]

Same thing happened with me. That was weird.



Zombie King?

[koval]

Same here - guess it is a bug or something, kinda sucks to get a buggy ending after all those hours. Guess I'll just have to play again.

[Discursion]

The story follows your character, I would've thought avoiding death by letting Alistair do it was rather cowardly and shortsighted, considering Fereldan needed a King way more than they needed you after the Darkspawn were all dead.



You should consider all choices as either bad or good, in that situation, as a Grey Warden, you should have known that "In death- Sacrifice."

[Teshronesh]

Well and because Ferelden needed a king, Anora and I agreed on a strong king - me (no joke). But i got another bug - Lilianna wanted to guard the urn of sacred ashes (i told her it was still there although it had been destroyed) - but the ending says the urn is still there and attracts many pilgrims.

[Kemor]

You should consider all choices as either bad or good, in that situation, as a Grey Warden, you should have known that "In death- Sacrifice.

Sacrifice doesn't mean your own though. If you want your character to go "true" Grey Warden:



- Choosing to suicide while you are obviously THE most powerful and qualified Grey Warden in whole of Ferelden is not a true Grey Warden choice. Alistair is totally useless as a Grey Warden (too emotional) and is the obvious choice for the sacrifice.

- Likewise, choosing to become King is not a "good" Grey Warden choice. Ferelden in itself doesn't matter nor any of the people living in it. What matters are Darkspawns and Blights. Even if 90% of everyone living in Ferelden had to die, it's still be worth it to stop one Blight. Couple centuries later, things would be back to normal or close to it...humans breed fast



It's brutal but why do you think Grey Wardens "unite" the races against the Blight? Because they need bodies. The very final battle is living proof of that....cannon fodders, totally unknown and unremembered by history...None of them matters. That's what it takes to be a Grey Warden.

[xsgenefuzz]

Amnesiac Jack wrote...

The wording of it kind of hurt my feelings to be honest, it says I commanded Alistair to die?

.....

*just joking about being hurt about it*


*mostly*

Yeah, me too.  My first playthrough, my PC was female.  She and Alistair were in love.  She had refused Morrigan's help because, well, I didn't think my PC would have liked the idea of Alistair sleeping w/ Morrigan (she didn't "cheat" herself, and had succesfully resisted all of Zevran's advances while still keeping his approval at "adore" status).  I knew my PC wouldn't become queen because she was an elf, and a mage to boot, but fortunately I had "hardened" Alistair so he didn't break up with my PC even after becoming king.  After the final battle cut-scene, however, where the third Grey Warden dies so spectacularly, I knew my PC wasn't going to get a happily-ever-after; either she or Alistair were going to have to die.  BUT... my PC tried to talk Alistair out of sacrificing himself and he wouldn't let her!  He refused to let her make the killing blow!  His final words were something like "You say that as if I'm giving you a choice in the matter," then he rushed the archdemon and was dead.  And the achievement says I commanded him to do it?  Poor wording, Bioware.



But I'm curious now whether it is even possible to have your PC make the killing blow if Alistair is in love with her?

[Thiefy]

xsgenefuzz wrote...

Amnesiac Jack wrote...

The wording of it kind of hurt my feelings to be honest, it says I commanded Alistair to die?

.....

*just joking about being hurt about it*


*mostly*

Yeah, me too.  My first playthrough, my PC was female.  She and Alistair were in love.  She had refused Morrigan's help because, well, I didn't think my PC would have liked the idea of Alistair sleeping w/ Morrigan (she didn't "cheat" herself, and had succesfully resisted all of Zevran's advances while still keeping his approval at "adore" status).  I knew my PC wouldn't become queen because she was an elf, and a mage to boot, but fortunately I had "hardened" Alistair so he didn't break up with my PC even after becoming king.  After the final battle cut-scene, however, where the third Grey Warden dies so spectacularly, I knew my PC wasn't going to get a happily-ever-after; either she or Alistair were going to have to die.  BUT... my PC tried to talk Alistair out of sacrificing himself and he wouldn't let her!  He refused to let her make the killing blow!  His final words were something like "You say that as if I'm giving you a choice in the matter," then he rushed the archdemon and was dead.  And the achievement says I commanded him to do it?  Poor wording, Bioware.



But I'm curious now whether it is even possible to have your PC make the killing blow if Alistair is in love with her?

You have to leave Alistair at the gate. I was kind of pissed getting that achievement too. Commanded? He practically launches himself at the archdemon ignoring everything I just said to him.

[LTBK]

Kemor wrote...

You should consider all choices as either bad or good, in that situation, as a Grey Warden, you should have known that "In death- Sacrifice.

Sacrifice doesn't mean your own though. If you want your character to go "true" Grey Warden:

- Choosing to suicide while you are obviously THE most powerful and qualified Grey Warden in whole of Ferelden is not a true Grey Warden choice. Alistair is totally useless as a Grey Warden (too emotional) and is the obvious choice for the sacrifice.
- Likewise, choosing to become King is not a "good" Grey Warden choice. Ferelden in itself doesn't matter nor any of the people living in it. What matters are Darkspawns and Blights. Even if 90% of everyone living in Ferelden had to die, it's still be worth it to stop one Blight. Couple centuries later, things would be back to normal or close to it...humans breed fast

It's brutal but why do you think Grey Wardens "unite" the races against the Blight? Because they need bodies. The very final battle is living proof of that....cannon fodders, totally unknown and unremembered by history...None of them matters. That's what it takes to be a Grey Warden.

Nope. It's said many times in the game that Grey Wardens not only fight against the Blight and darkspawn, but they also protect humanity (that's what they do when in "peace", besides from watching for darkspawns).

It's clearly explained if you listen to the story Wynne tolds you, the one about the Grey Wardens coming in gryphons during a battle against an archdemon and acting as a shield for the non-Grey Warden's army. At the end of that battle, when the archdemon was defeated, they simply go out in their gryphons, and the kings watched that their armies didn't take any loses. As Wynne says it's just a story that talks about all the Grey Wardens fights against the Blight and none at the same time, but it explains very well what a Warden means to be.

[Adanu]

Your PC does not matter? Um... yes... an army of darkspawn staying on the surface after the Blight is gone, and your PC does not matter. Right.



So long as you self-righteous types don't start thinking that sacrificing yourself is a 'noble' thing to do and should be embraced, I won't point out the hypocrisy of the logic of the PC being insignificant.

[robertthebard]

Grey Wardens fight the darkspawn, it's what they do. In Peace Vigilance means that they are watching out for darkspawn. Humanity has rulers to baby sit them. Mostly.

[Zerbin]

What being a Grey Warden <means> is a little hazy. Like many things in this game (Templars, mages, the Chantry, etc.) there is a certain duality to it. On the one hand, there is the very ideal version in which the Wardens are the guardians of the earth against the darkspawn, making the great sacrifices necessary to defeat the Blight, taking the loss so that others may be spared. On the other hand, the Wardens are very much a by any means necessary group; if it takes a blood mage to stop the Blight, well we'd better get a blood mage. In the end, it comes down to how the player sees the role of the Wardens. Myself, I couldn't truly accept Morrigan's way out and took the blow myself, letting Alistair take the fall seemed... dirty, somehow. I'm currently trying to see if I can get Loghain to take the fall and keep everyone alive, but it seems a little difficult. Oh well. Gotta <earn> that happy ending if its that important to me.

[VeeJayNaSsassin]

The darkspawn are never all dead, the arch demon is, but the darkspawn still reak havoc.



atleast that tghe way it is in all my endings.

[Cybercat999]

Discursion wrote...

The story follows your character, I would've thought avoiding death by letting Alistair do it was rather cowardly and shortsighted, considering Fereldan needed a King way more than they needed you after the Darkspawn were all dead.

You should consider all choices as either bad or good, in that situation, as a Grey Warden, you should have known that "In death- Sacrifice."

I never put Alistair on throne yet he ran off babbling about being a king. And well, in death - sacrifice doesnt say whose death does it?
Anyway I did commend him to die, I wanted to get the achievement, so in my case the title is valid.

[Time4Tiddy]

Kemor wrote...

It's brutal but why do you think Grey Wardens "unite" the races against the Blight? Because they need bodies. The very final battle is living proof of that....cannon fodders, totally unknown and unremembered by history...None of them matters. That's what it takes to be a Grey Warden.

Those weren't people, those were clones.  Why else would they all be identical?

[JigPig]

Cybercat999 wrote...
I never put Alistair on throne yet he ran off babbling about being a king.

Oh ho ho, you're telling me, on one playthrough I MARRIED Anora and Alistair was still talking about being King.

[Time4Tiddy]

There seems to be a bug in the game that assumes if Alistair is still in your party, you supported him for king, regardless of how the Landsmeet went. My first playthrough I fully intended to kill the Archdemon myself, but he went on and on about "what a king would do" despite the fact that I'd gotten him off the hook and let Anora rule alone, so I had him kill himself. I was afraid of getting some ending with him on the throne irregardless of all my choices.

[th3warr1or]

JigPig wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...
I never put Alistair on throne yet he ran off babbling about being a king.

Oh ho ho, you're telling me, on one playthrough I MARRIED Anora and Alistair was still talking about being King.

Rofl same!!

I married Anora to rule, and at the end, Alistair was standing beside the Throne in his Golden Armor and giving his speech to me about being King.. Anora was invisible.

[th3warr1or]

JigPig wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...
I never put Alistair on throne yet he ran off babbling about being a king.

Oh ho ho, you're telling me, on one playthrough I MARRIED Anora and Alistair was still talking about being King.

Rofl same!!

I married Anora to rule, and at the end, Alistair was standing beside the Throne in his Golden Armor and giving his speech to me about being King.. Anora was invisible.

[Wompoo]

Good choice, let Alistair die he deserves the experience, the whining fool. Personally I detest the endings in this game (would of been much better with less origins and more emphasis on the main character), tacky pop ups that mean absolutely nothing. The story overall is very very well done, if not the best written since BG2, game wise. But closure it did not have, it was poorly handled, just like the art style.

[Cybercat999]

JigPig wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...
I never put Alistair on throne yet he ran off babbling about being a king.

Oh ho ho, you're telling me, on one playthrough I MARRIED Anora and Alistair was still talking about being King.

My personal favorite was when Anora had a speech about raising a monument to fallen Alistair who was standing right behind her back (in kings armor). Then he told me how scared he was of loosing me and cant wait until we can be alone...... while at the end of the hall my real love Zevran whispered how unlucky I was to catch him and be stuck with him. I didnt dare speak to Leliana in that one.

When I sacrificed myself both Alistair and Zevran were mourning loss of their true love in epilogue.

[Hairfish]

I felt emotionally cheated when Alistair rushed off to kill the archdemon without so much as a kiss good-bye, or even one word about our love, our plans for the future, anything even remotely resembling what two passionate adults might say to each other before one knowingly sacrifices his life for duty.



Very cold, immature ending for a game rated "M." Sexual innuendo and "bad words" do NOT a mature experience make.

[Maria Caliban]

Discursion wrote...

The story follows your character, I would've thought avoiding death by letting Alistair do it was rather cowardly and shortsighted, considering Fereldan needed a King way more than they needed you after the Darkspawn were all dead.

You should consider all choices as either bad or good, in that situation, as a Grey Warden, you should have known that "In death- Sacrifice."

As a Grey Warden, you should never make Alistair king anyways.