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[TJSolo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

The confrontation with wrex on virmire beats everything Mass Effect 2 have anyway.This also was a thing someone would expect with an unloyal Miranda of course...
Nothing of this happens.Suicide mission where no one dies.What a joke.All things loyality affected was to increase chance that a partymember survive the final fight.No backstabbing, no betraying,no confrontations, not leaving nothing of this.
That i would expect from a real character driven game.Bioware even fail at this.

Confrontation with the violence bent and most unstable party member over the touchy issue regarding his species? Yeah.....real big surprise there.....not. Hell it was hard to even care about what the krogan did to themselves by trying to attack species far more advanced and intelligent than they were. In ME2 there is no reason to be backstabbed if you do your job well and only an idior would betray you in the middle of the territory of an enemy that wants you all dead without exception......what would a betrayer's logic be? To die there at the hands of the collectors since the SR2 would be highly unlikely to pick him/her up? The whole notion of betrayal during the suicide mission is retarded.

Well maybe you should read more about the Krogan instead of making it sound so simple and partially incorrect.
The Krogans and Genophage is one of the more interesting morale side-plots in the MEverse.
Consider about the sensitivity of the subject matter at hand and also consider stories Wrex told you in ME1(if you played it) In order to support his own ideals for the Krogan, what did he do to his own father? Why would you think Shepard is any better in Wrex eyes?

[SkullandBonesmember]

tonnactus wrote...

The confrontation with wrex on virmire beats everything Mass Effect 2 have anyway.This also was a thing someone would expect with an unloyal Miranda of course...
Nothing of this happens.Suicide mission where no one dies.What a joke.All things loyality affected was to increase chance that a partymember survive the final fight.No backstabbing, no betraying,no confrontations, not leaving nothing of this.
That i would expect from a real character driven game.Bioware even fail at this.

Yeah, I agree somewhat.

[Darth_Trethon]

TJSolo wrote...

Well maybe you should read more about the Krogan instead of making it sound so simple and partially incorrect.
The Krogans and Genophage is one of the more interesting morale side-plots in the MEverse.
Consider about the sensitivity of the subject matter at hand and also consider stories Wrex told you in ME1(if you played it) In order to support his own ideals for the Krogan, what did he do to his own father? Why would you think Shepard is any better in Wrex eyes?

One of the least interesting species. There isn't much to the krogan.....low intelligence, very violent and with reproduction difficulty due to an engineered disease that was created when they got out of hand and behave like....well....like not very intelligent brutes....big surprise. There is nothing interesting about them.....their planet is a wreck... no advancement. there is little to no culture and barely now does a little common sense begin to sink in their thick skulls like the fact that maybe killing each other off and attacking enemies they can't defeat isn't the brightest idea.

There is nothing there......no science of their own, no advancement or anything worth mentioning.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 30 avril 2010 - 07:37 .

[TJSolo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

One of the least interesting species. There isn't much to the krogan.....low intelligence, very violent and with reproduction difficulty due to an engineered disease that was created when they got out of hand and behave like....well....like not very intelligent brutes....big surprise. There is nothing interesting about them.....their planet is a wreck... no advancement. there is little to no culture and barely now does a little common sense begin to sink in their thick skulls like the fact that maybe killing each other off and attacking enemies they can't defeat isn't the brightest idea.

There is nothing there......no science of their own, no advancement or anything worth mentioning.

Very interesting supposition. Sounds like some of the issues Wrex has with his own species, although that is motive for him to want the Krogan to improve, because he knows they can.
Even with all that said it does not change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage are a large morale side-plot in the MEverse.
If one were to think about it the dilemma of the Krogan; being given tech , used, and then to have their numbers artificially maintained mirrors what the Reapers are doing.
Of course the ability to see beyond the aesthetics is needed for morality dilemmas.

[tonnactus]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

 In ME2 there is no reason to be backstabbed if you do your job well and only an idior

And?Are all partymembers are so intelligent,or what?So crewmembers arent dumb,shortsided,selffish, care about humans,could not leave simply the ship if they dont agree with some things shepardt did.Even jack could simply do that after she got her data and did her mission,but sheaprdt side with miranda then.
This game and all characters acting there,including their "loyality" missions were completly pointless.
Nothing that matters.
Character driving game, i laugh about that.

Modifié par tonnactus, 30 avril 2010 - 08:06 .

[Darth_Trethon]

tonnactus wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

 In ME2 there is no reason to be backstabbed if you do your job well and only an idior

And?Are all partymembers are so intelligent,or what?So crewmembers arent dumb,shortsided,selffish, care about humans,could not leave simply the ship if they dont agree with some things shepardt did.Even jack could simply do that after she got her data and did her mission,but sheaprdt side with miranda then.
This game and all characters acting there,including their "loyality" missions were completly pointless.
Nothing that matters.
Character driving game, i laugh about that.

It's not even whether they are all intelligent but whether about whether any of them are retarded enough and lack the necessary self preservation instinct to do something that retarded.....the obvious answer is NO, Cerberus would not have recomended anyone that lacked survival instinct and the basc understanding of choices that WILL get them killed. In ME2 EVERYTHING matters.....without loyalty or upgrades you lose party members and potentially your life and all the in betweens and even aside from all that ME2 has by far the best and most outreaching plot twists and decisions.

[Darth_Trethon]

TJSolo wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

One of the least interesting species. There isn't much to the krogan.....low intelligence, very violent and with reproduction difficulty due to an engineered disease that was created when they got out of hand and behave like....well....like not very intelligent brutes....big surprise. There is nothing interesting about them.....their planet is a wreck... no advancement. there is little to no culture and barely now does a little common sense begin to sink in their thick skulls like the fact that maybe killing each other off and attacking enemies they can't defeat isn't the brightest idea.

There is nothing there......no science of their own, no advancement or anything worth mentioning.

Very interesting supposition. Sounds like some of the issues Wrex has with his own species, although that is motive for him to want the Krogan to improve, because he knows they can.
Even with all that said it does not change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage are a large morale side-plot in the MEverse.
If one were to think about it the dilemma of the Krogan; being given tech , used, and then to have their numbers artificially maintained mirrors what the Reapers are doing.
Of course the ability to see beyond the aesthetics is needed for morality dilemmas.

The genophage is more of an interesting subject regarding right/wrong, morality and when is it justifiable to use it not about the krogan......the genophage was made by the intelligent species that did advance and do have culture as a punishmet to brutes.....in ME2 all you see is the Salarian perspective and their conflicts about creating it. The genophage does not make the Krogan interesting or a better species to pay attention to. There is nothing interesting that the krogan have or that is worth looking at regarding the krogan.....beyond serving as lab rats that is.

[TJSolo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The genophage is more of an interesting subject regarding right/wrong, morality and when is it justifiable to use it not about the krogan......the genophage was made by the intelligent species that did advance and do have culture as a punishmet to brutes.....in ME2 all you see is the Salarian perspective and their conflicts about creating it. The genophage does not make the Krogan interesting or a better species to pay attention to. There is nothing interesting that the krogan have or that is worth looking at regarding the krogan.....beyond serving as lab rats that is.

Ignorance is astounding.
Maybe it is because I read the codex or because I know why there is a Krogan statue on the Citadel.
Reading is fundamental.

Lab rats, aren't the Krogan sentient?
Are you RPing as Renegade Shep?

Your statements still don't change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage is a large side-plot in ME with a long history and with a lot of considerations.  Specific considerations unique to Krogans and Salarians. The basics of it still reflect some of the action of the Reapers.

Modifié par TJSolo, 30 avril 2010 - 09:21 .

[KitsuneRommel]

Darth_Trethon wrote...
The genophage is more of an interesting subject regarding right/wrong, morality and when is it justifiable to use it not about the krogan......the genophage was made by the intelligent species that did advance and do have culture as a punishmet to brutes.....in ME2 all you see is the Salarian perspective and their conflicts about creating it. The genophage does not make the Krogan interesting or a better species to pay attention to. There is nothing interesting that the krogan have or that is worth looking at regarding the krogan.....beyond serving as lab rats that is.

If it wasn't for Wrex (who sort of grew on me) I wouldn't care about the Krogans at all. They are too much the token stupid brutish race that has to be in every fantasy/sci-fi setting. That made following the paragon conversation options with Modrin hard to justify.

[grant37]

hey i got my hands on a extra termius gear code on me all i ask for is a colector armor code

[SkullandBonesmember]

TJSolo wrote...

Very interesting supposition. Sounds like some of the issues Wrex has with his own species, although that is motive for him to want the Krogan to improve, because he knows they can.
Even with all that said it does not change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage are a large morale side-plot in the MEverse.
If one were to think about it the dilemma of the Krogan; being given tech , used, and then to have their numbers artificially maintained mirrors what the Reapers are doing.
Of course the ability to see beyond the aesthetics is needed for morality dilemmas.

Ahh yes, "RPing". 

Seriously, it's clear as day most here are content with tactical shooting and being encircled by enemies. They have no time for pointless RPing.

[Darth_Trethon]

TJSolo wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The genophage is more of an interesting subject regarding right/wrong, morality and when is it justifiable to use it not about the krogan......the genophage was made by the intelligent species that did advance and do have culture as a punishmet to brutes.....in ME2 all you see is the Salarian perspective and their conflicts about creating it. The genophage does not make the Krogan interesting or a better species to pay attention to. There is nothing interesting that the krogan have or that is worth looking at regarding the krogan.....beyond serving as lab rats that is.

Ignorance is astounding.
Maybe it is because I read the codex or because I know why there is a Krogan statue on the Citadel.
Reading is fundamental.

Lab rats, aren't the Krogan sentient?
Are you RPing as Renegade Shep?

Your statements still don't change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage is a large side-plot in ME with a long history and with a lot of considerations.  Specific considerations unique to Krogans and Salarians. The basics of it still reflect some of the action of the Reapers.

The only reason the statue is there is because of political BS.....a "sorry" for the genophage as are the parades by the asari in onor of the Krogan efforts against the rachni. Nobody gives a damn about the Krogan but they have to also look good in front of the species that matter so they have to be kind about they did to the mindless brutes.

I read all the codex entries a dozen times over and played ME1 over 30 times and when you get to the essence of the issue the krogan are nothing but the equivalent of mindless cavemen with guns. Just about every krogan in ME2 supports this. You can make up anything where there is nothing ans choose to see culture where there is none but it doesn't change the facts......if the krogan could be civilized they wouldn't have been subjected to the genophage.....that's in the codex too.

And while the Genophage is a large theme in ME, the krogan aren't......everything that's been shown about them proves that a) they aren't intelligent enough to create any beneficial technology against the reapers and the most they can do agains the reapers is be cannon fodder in the front line.....preferably on crappy ships so that all the half decent ships can fire on the reapers.

[SuperMedbh]

Krogan are cute. They look like muppets. Homicidal muppets, admittedly, but with the all necessary "beepable" noses. This inarguable fact cements their place in the Mass Effect narrative, so no dissing on Wrex and Grunt (mostly Wrex-- Grunt is a bit too much like an adolescent male for my tastes. Oh, wait...)

[TJSolo]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Darth_Trethon wrote...

The genophage is more of an interesting subject regarding right/wrong, morality and when is it justifiable to use it not about the krogan......the genophage was made by the intelligent species that did advance and do have culture as a punishmet to brutes.....in ME2 all you see is the Salarian perspective and their conflicts about creating it. The genophage does not make the Krogan interesting or a better species to pay attention to. There is nothing interesting that the krogan have or that is worth looking at regarding the krogan.....beyond serving as lab rats that is.

Ignorance is astounding.
Maybe it is because I read the codex or because I know why there is a Krogan statue on the Citadel.
Reading is fundamental.

Lab rats, aren't the Krogan sentient?
Are you RPing as Renegade Shep?

Your statements still don't change the fact that the Krogan and Genophage is a large side-plot in ME with a long history and with a lot of considerations.  Specific considerations unique to Krogans and Salarians. The basics of it still reflect some of the action of the Reapers.

The only reason the statue is there is because of political BS.....a "sorry" for the genophage as are the parades by the asari in onor of the Krogan efforts against the rachni. Nobody gives a damn about the Krogan but they have to also look good in front of the species that matter so they have to be kind about they did to the mindless brutes.

I read all the codex entries a dozen times over and played ME1 over 30 times and when you get to the essence of the issue the krogan are nothing but the equivalent of mindless cavemen with guns. Just about every krogan in ME2 supports this. You can make up anything where there is nothing ans choose to see culture where there is none but it doesn't change the facts......if the krogan could be civilized they wouldn't have been subjected to the genophage.....that's in the codex too.

And while the Genophage is a large theme in ME, the krogan aren't......everything that's been shown about them proves that a) they aren't intelligent enough to create any beneficial technology against the reapers and the most they can do agains the reapers is be cannon fodder in the front line.....preferably on crappy ships so that all the half decent ships can fire on the reapers.

Renegade RPing, must be it. There is a complete absence of the flipside and complexity that the writers were trying to relay about Krogan.
Renegade RPing is the only answer.
IF you want to discuss the game objectivly let us know when you are doing RPing and playing a role.

[tonnactus]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

It's not even whether they are all intelligent but whether about whether any of them are retarded enough and lack the necessary self preservation instinct to do something that retarded...

Subject zero could leave the ship after shepardt blow up the former cerberus facility.What this has to do with self preservation instinct?Self preservation instinct would keep most people to be an member of a suicide mission.So think better next time.
Nothing changes.The game story is pure and utter crap.Uwe Boll quality.

Modifié par tonnactus, 02 mai 2010 - 05:31 .

[bjdbwea]

tonnactus wrote...

Nothing changes.The game story is pure and utter crap.Uwe Boll quality.

Bit harsh, but true. Right to the final boss. That's the stuff I'd expect if someone had the "glorious" idea to make a movie out of the ME series.

[tonnactus]

bjdbwea wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

Nothing changes.The game story is pure and utter crap.Uwe Boll quality.

Bit harsh, but true. Right to the final boss. That's the stuff I'd expect if someone had the "glorious" idea to make a movie out of the ME series.

Then in this way: Mass Effect even fails as a character driven game.Because there isnt any dynamic in the group,all is static.There are not even group discussion/meetings after each main mission like in Mass Effect where all members have to say something.Like only miranda and jacob have some importance.(mordin was only part of this after the collector ship)

[Omicrone]

My brother couldn't get into ME1 but loves ME2 to death. He's 18 and I think it's the upgrade in cinematic experience that made him like it so much. But yeah, back to the OP, there's a chance you'll like ME2 even if you haven't played/didn't like ME1.

[bjdbwea]

tonnactus wrote...

Then in this way: Mass Effect even fails as a character driven game.Because there isnt any dynamic in the group,all is static.There are not even group discussion/meetings after each main mission like in Mass Effect where all members have to say something.Like only miranda and jacob have some importance.(mordin was only part of this after the collector ship)

I totally agree with you, if that wasn't clear from my previous post.

[Masticetobbacco]

if you havent played ME1, ME2 will just be a tasteless shooter



if you have played ME1, ME2 will be the next chapter in your epic adventure

[Elvis_Mazur]

slimgrin wrote...

praetor_alpha wrote...

short answer: probably not, especially if you don't play for gameplay. I thought that ME1 had more of what you listed you liked.

This. ME2 has improved gameplay above all else. If excellent gameplay isn't your thing, you should stick with ME1.

If he doesn't like a balanced and well done gameplay, se should be very far away of a bad one.