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[vallix]

Miranda said at the beginning they had reverted to bio sythetic fusion. Doesn't that basically make us, the character, a cyborg?

If so, how does that effect our life span? We may live double the average human life now. Or can we even die from natural aging?  I wish they'd have elebarated more on the Ceberus operation other than "we brought you back to life."

[Gavinthelocust]

Shepard: I must defeat the reapers

Anderson: No Shepard, you are the reapers

and then Shepard was a husk

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

partly cyborg yes, but your still human.

[Landline]

He is indeed a cyborg, but that doesn't make him not human. All of his organic components are still human and from what I gather there are more organics then cybernetics.



After all, Cerberus "wanted to keep you as intact as possible"

[Nightwriter]

I wish they'd address this. I wanted to ask Miranda questions about my recreation and the effects it will have on my biology and lifespan and such.

[Vegielamb]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Shepard: I must defeat the reapers
Anderson: No Shepard, you are the reapers
and then Shepard was a husk

I guess Shepard will be uploading him/herself to the Reapers in order to stop them.

[janeym27]

This REALLY annoys me. They go on and on (and on) in Project Lazerus about having to bring Shepard back exactly as s/he was, no different, but then we get all these cybernetics and othe mojo going on. So what's the craic there?



I always assumed that they had 'suceeded' and Shep was brought back as if they'd never died, but the more I read/see the more I think Shep is now some kind of super-human hybrid thing, and this is totally at odds with what Cerberus was apparently trying to achieve.



Unless, of course, the logs were designed to throw Shep off the scent and make her think she was 'normal' when in fact she is not, but that seems a tad elaborate/lazy/silly for BW.

[Tlazolteotl]

I think it's a timeframe thing.

They had intended to rebuild Shep as accurately as possible, but as it turned out it wasn't feasible to do so.

I.e. a bunch of the logs are from prior to the decision to shift to bio-synthetic fusion.

[epoch_]

Are we human?















Or are we dancer?

[Xiarmethes]

Hopefully they'll address this issue in a future DLC or in Mass Effect 3. So far, Shepard has been holding it together, but the revelation of how he/she was brought back by Cerberus has to be eating away at the back of Shepard's mind. Never mind what was done to the body, what of Shepard's mind? Shepard's soul? Is that real or just a construct recreated from news vids, mission reports and psych profiles? We know that Shepard's soul may be the geniune article, but Shepard may harbour some doubts. This could brew up into a major existential crisis for our hero!



Could also be a hidden reason for why Liara couldn't join up with Shepard. Maybe she fears that the person standing before her is basically a ghost of the Shepard she knew/fell in love with

[kraidy1117]

janeym27 wrote...

This REALLY annoys me. They go on and on (and on) in Project Lazerus about having to bring Shepard back exactly as s/he was, no different, but then we get all these cybernetics and othe mojo going on. So what's the craic there?

I always assumed that they had 'suceeded' and Shep was brought back as if they'd never died, but the more I read/see the more I think Shep is now some kind of super-human hybrid thing, and this is totally at odds with what Cerberus was apparently trying to achieve.

Unless, of course, the logs were designed to throw Shep off the scent and make her think she was 'normal' when in fact she is not, but that seems a tad elaborate/lazy/silly for BW.

The whoe point was to bring him back like he was, that means the same personality and moral. Shepard is a cyborg (which still means hes a human, but has alot of cybornetic implants) this makes his bones stronger, he heals faster, he will livel onger, he can upgrade his strength, brain power, endurnce ect and he can even use equipment that normal human could not use.

[RyrineaNara]

This is a good question to make me think about, if my Shepard is truly the same Shepard as before, The way she acts is different that how she normally had acted in me1. Plus, the whole thing feels fishy to me that somehow they brought her back with no improvements...... . I really have to wonder, if somehow they didn't finish everything, and still had awhile to go before she was ready to be woken up.

[janeym27]

kraidy1117 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

This REALLY annoys me. They go on and on (and on) in Project Lazerus about having to bring Shepard back exactly as s/he was, no different, but then we get all these cybernetics and othe mojo going on. So what's the craic there?

I always assumed that they had 'suceeded' and Shep was brought back as if they'd never died, but the more I read/see the more I think Shep is now some kind of super-human hybrid thing, and this is totally at odds with what Cerberus was apparently trying to achieve.

Unless, of course, the logs were designed to throw Shep off the scent and make her think she was 'normal' when in fact she is not, but that seems a tad elaborate/lazy/silly for BW.

The whoe point was to bring him back like he was, that means the same personality and moral. Shepard is a cyborg (which still means hes a human, but has alot of cybornetic implants) this makes his bones stronger, he heals faster, he will livel onger, he can upgrade his strength, brain power, endurnce ect and he can even use equipment that normal human could not use.

But body and mind are linked. Inextricably.

Also, the logs never make this distinction. And when Jacob asks if s/he got any upgrades s/he says "I'm lucky enough they restored me to stock."

Sigh. Hopefully, either future DLC or ME3 will explain this discrepancy. At the moment, it's really annoying me. lol

[DOYOURLABS]

I felt like the entire first mission was out of character for my shep. He fought cerberus and found out about akuze, but it isn't at all mentioned. It is like bioware shoved cerberus down your throat.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Shepard's a cyborg zombie.

[kraidy1117]

janeym27 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

This REALLY annoys me. They go on and on (and on) in Project Lazerus about having to bring Shepard back exactly as s/he was, no different, but then we get all these cybernetics and othe mojo going on. So what's the craic there?

I always assumed that they had 'suceeded' and Shep was brought back as if they'd never died, but the more I read/see the more I think Shep is now some kind of super-human hybrid thing, and this is totally at odds with what Cerberus was apparently trying to achieve.

Unless, of course, the logs were designed to throw Shep off the scent and make her think she was 'normal' when in fact she is not, but that seems a tad elaborate/lazy/silly for BW.

The whoe point was to bring him back like he was, that means the same personality and moral. Shepard is a cyborg (which still means hes a human, but has alot of cybornetic implants) this makes his bones stronger, he heals faster, he will livel onger, he can upgrade his strength, brain power, endurnce ect and he can even use equipment that normal human could not use.

But body and mind are linked. Inextricably.

Also, the logs never make this distinction. And when Jacob asks if s/he got any upgrades s/he says "I'm lucky enough they restored me to stock."

Sigh. Hopefully, either future DLC or ME3 will explain this discrepancy. At the moment, it's really annoying me. lol

Yes they do, miri says in her log the same mind, the same personality, the same moral. That has nothing to do with his organs and such. Now as the player you can make the project fail if you where a Paragon and all of a sudden you become a renagde, that yat he project just failed but the point was to bring him back just like he was before he died, not his body and looks, but his mind.

[kraidy1117]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I felt like the entire first mission was out of character for my shep. He fought cerberus and found out about akuze, but it isn't at all mentioned. It is like bioware shoved cerberus down your throat.

Some Shepards did not care about that because they where not there. Would you realy want to work with the Council and Alli9ance, the same people who said you wherel ying, ripped apart everything you said when you died and are not doing anything or work with a group that is extream and has done osme things you don't like but they are gtting things done.

[janeym27]

kraidy1117 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

janeym27 wrote...

This REALLY annoys me. They go on and on (and on) in Project Lazerus about having to bring Shepard back exactly as s/he was, no different, but then we get all these cybernetics and othe mojo going on. So what's the craic there?

I always assumed that they had 'suceeded' and Shep was brought back as if they'd never died, but the more I read/see the more I think Shep is now some kind of super-human hybrid thing, and this is totally at odds with what Cerberus was apparently trying to achieve.

Unless, of course, the logs were designed to throw Shep off the scent and make her think she was 'normal' when in fact she is not, but that seems a tad elaborate/lazy/silly for BW.

The whoe point was to bring him back like he was, that means the same personality and moral. Shepard is a cyborg (which still means hes a human, but has alot of cybornetic implants) this makes his bones stronger, he heals faster, he will livel onger, he can upgrade his strength, brain power, endurnce ect and he can even use equipment that normal human could not use.

But body and mind are linked. Inextricably.

Also, the logs never make this distinction. And when Jacob asks if s/he got any upgrades s/he says "I'm lucky enough they restored me to stock."

Sigh. Hopefully, either future DLC or ME3 will explain this discrepancy. At the moment, it's really annoying me. lol

Yes they do, miri says in her log the same mind, the same personality, the same moral. That has nothing to do with his organs and such. Now as the player you can make the project fail if you where a Paragon and all of a sudden you become a renagde, that yat he project just failed but the point was to bring him back just like he was before he died, not his body and looks, but his mind.

I don't get how you can seperate mind and body though. If your body is stronger, it changes your outlook, for example (that whole Peggy Phelan "I" and "eye" theory). Fair enough though. But if they were goin to do that, might as well load her into an AI and have backup copies. (if they have done this, I'm gonna call silly on ME3)

[vallix]

So who else wants to draw the "we were cloned" card?

Modifié par vallix, 01 mai 2010 - 03:41 .

[StefanBW]

He/she is still Shepard.



He/she might just have a few extra parts and pieces.

[kraidy1117]

Shepard was not cloned, it's made clear your not cloned, you are just a cyborg, your still Shepard but you have been upgraded.

[Hadark]

Miranda says that the procedure was going poorly so they switched to Bio cynthetic fusion to

speed up the process. There was a ton of stuff Cerberus failed to mention to Shepard, and maybe

just as much of Shepard not prying the truth from a severly beaten Jacob, Miranda, or any other

Cerberus lackey that won't answer Shepards questions.

But from other little things in game, as well as Sheps lab upgrades, I'll go with Cyborg Shep

[Festi]

You are a futuristic robot zombie.

Also, being exactly as you were seems more like a convenient plot device to assure players of ME 1 that you are indeed still your own Shepard while allowing room for new players to jump into the game.

[gethspy]

if you listen carefully to parts of the game, it sounds like cybernetics aren't too big of a deal. (note TIM's eyes)

[vallix]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Shepard was not cloned, it's made clear your not cloned, you are just a cyborg, your still Shepard but you have been upgraded.

I know it's made clear, by Cerberus. It's also made clear that the Illusive Man would do anything for humanity, even lie to Shepard. The only thing that keeps me from really taking the cloning thing seriously is I'd imagine Miranda would have revealed that information to you, especially if you romanced her.

Even so, I think people are way too trusting on what the Illusive Man told us.

gethspy wrote...

if you listen carefully to parts of the
game, it sounds like cybernetics aren't too big of a deal. (note TIM's
eyes)

As far as the "Are we still human" argument goes, but I still want my other questions answered in ME3. Shepard's cybernetics were definitely a big deal though, it costs billions of dollars in resources and took elite scientists in multiple fields to bring him back.

Modifié par vallix, 01 mai 2010 - 04:07 .