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[Darthnemesis2]

Shep is definately still human. TIM wouldn't take someone who was the pinnacle of humanity and f*** with him/her. Having said that, its debateable as to whether s/he truly is exactly the same as s/he was before dying.

[Peppard]

The real question is : Was Shep's revival just an overly elaborate story frame for picking new class/face /starting over + working with Cerberus (and we shouldn't think too much about it) OR is there something significant about the technology used on Shepard that will be significant in the resolution of the plot of ME3? I kind of hope it is the latter, because then that whole nonsensical plot at least would go somewhere other than an excuse to distance Shepard from former allies.

[kglaser]

I hope it's the latter, too...but then again, they blew up the Normandy just to replace it with one big enough to accommodate everyone, so I'm not sure about the Shepard thing.

[vallix]

kglaser wrote...

I hope it's the latter, too...but then again, they blew up the Normandy just to replace it with one big enough to accommodate everyone, so I'm not sure about the Shepard thing.

Lmao.

[WarlordFil]

I think Shep is still human, but if I woke up tomorrow with cybernetically enhanced joints, instant biotics (if you weren't a biotic before), a sudden no longer needing my glasses, and full functionality back in my left hand (I had nerve damage years ago)...it would kind of freak me out a little bit. Double if someone told me I'd just spent two years being dead.



The mind and "Soul" of Shep are the same, but the body's been tweaked, and without Shep's prior knowledge or consent...or full understanding of what exactly Cerberus has modded.

[askanec]

C'mon now, I would have thought people can see the trend already.



Rachni: Previously thought as a threat to everyone, then the players get surprised they aren't so bad.



Geth: Previously thought as evil AI race, then the players get surprised they aren't so bad.



Cerebus: Previously thought as Evil Inc., then Jacob said "Things change" and hey, they aren't so bad now!



I wouldn't be surprised the Reapers are actually a peace-loving alien race, but they have a mean boss making them do bad things (ala the movie "How to train your dragon").



Anyway, Shepard is a cybernetically enhanced human. Cerebus may have put in cybernetics to bring Shepard back, but Shepard willingly turned himself into superman with all that heavy skin weave and what not research aboard the Normandy.

[vallix]

askanec wrote...

C'mon now, I would have thought people can see the trend already.

Rachni: Previously thought as a threat to everyone, then the players get surprised they aren't so bad.

Geth: Previously thought as evil AI race, then the players get surprised they aren't so bad.

Cerebus: Previously thought as Evil Inc., then Jacob said "Things change" and hey, they aren't so bad now!

I wouldn't be surprised the Reapers are actually a peace-loving alien race, but they have a mean boss making them do bad things (ala the movie "How to train your dragon").

Anyway, Shepard is a cybernetically enhanced human. Cerebus may have put in cybernetics to bring Shepard back, but Shepard willingly turned himself into superman with all that heavy skin weave and what not research aboard the Normandy.

That's really all subjective, but I see your point and I completely agree with you about the Reapers and would be surprised if someone didn't.

[kraidy1117]

I still think Shepard has reaper tech in him. We know that at the end of ME2, Reaper tech can make life, so maybe Wilson and Miri ran into problems and used reaper etch, and that could be vone reason why Wilson betrayed Cerberus and Miri had to kill him.

[Lucky Thirteen]

askanec wrote...


Cerebus: Previously thought as Evil Inc., then Jacob said "Things change" and hey, they aren't so bad now!.

I beg to differ. Cerberus, especially TIM, just can't be trusted in my book. To me, Bioware tried a little too hard to make Cerberus seem like they weren't that bad. It's an attempt to win the players trust to throw in a surprise in the next game for those who fall for it. I still find it ridiculous that it's not TIM's fault that his own people decided to do there own messed up experiements. Does he have any real control over Cerberus at all?

What damns the whole thing is skipping the Akuze issue.

[kraidy1117]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

askanec wrote...


Cerebus: Previously thought as Evil Inc., then Jacob said "Things change" and hey, they aren't so bad now!.

I beg to differ. Cerberus, especially TIM, just can't be trusted in my book. To me, Bioware tried a little too hard to make Cerberus seem like they weren't that bad. It's an attempt to win the players trust to throw in a surprise in the next game for those who fall for it. I still find it ridiculous that it's not TIM's fault that his own people decided to do there own messed up experiements. Does he have any real control over Cerberus at all?

What damns the whole thing is skipping the Akuze issue.

Akuse happened when Cerberus was still with the Alliance. I smeel something fishy there.

[Goodwood]

Technically, a Shepard with biotics was a cyborg before she died. That said, it shouldn't really matter how many implants Shep has, she's still human.

[Dean_the_Young]

Lucky Thirteen wrote... I still find it ridiculous that it's not TIM's fault that his own people decided to do there own messed up experiements. Does he have any real control over Cerberus at all?

When you're in a hands-off management system, feel free to share how omniscent you are of everyone else's thoughts and actions.

[Dreykov]

The Cybernetics were a disappointment. No eye lasers, no forearm rockets and no guns hidden in our thighs D:

[kraidy1117]

Goodwood wrote...

Technically, a Shepard with biotics was a cyborg before she died. That said, it shouldn't really matter how many implants Shep has, she's still human.

Some people think cyborg means non-human. Shepard just has alot more implants now.

[noobzor99]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Shepard: I must defeat the reapers
Anderson: No Shepard, you are the reapers
and then Shepard was a husk

It is kinda sad that I know what this is from^_^

[vallix]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Technically, a Shepard with biotics was a cyborg before she died. That said, it shouldn't really matter how many implants Shep has, she's still human.

Some people think cyborg means non-human. Shepard just has alot more implants now.

I'm just curious at what point are you not considered human anymore? As far as we know not much of Shepards parts(organs, bones, etc) are human anymore, so why are we still considered human?

Also a cyborg is a cyborg, not a human. Calling something a human cyborg is just silly.

[vallix]

I'm just curious at what point are you not considered human anymore? As far as we know not much of Shepards parts(organs, bones, etc) are human anymore, so why are we still considered human?

Modifié par vallix, 01 mai 2010 - 08:19 .

[kraidy1117]

vallix wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Technically, a Shepard with biotics was a cyborg before she died. That said, it shouldn't really matter how many implants Shep has, she's still human.

Some people think cyborg means non-human. Shepard just has alot more implants now.

I'm just curious at what point are you not considered human anymore? As far as we know not much of Shepards parts(organs, bones, etc) are human anymore, so why are we still considered human?

Also a cyborg is a cyborg, not a human. Calling something a human cyborg is just silly.

He has organic organs, they just have implants in them, his brain is normal, he has real blood, he still has his sex drive, he still has his bones, just stronger. All Shepard is is a human with alot of implants, thus he is a cyborg but still human.

[Icinix]

All of you 'Shhh' you'll spoil the ending of the trilogy......

[adamm24680]

Shepard is a cyborg only if anyone with a prosthesis can be considered a cyborg. Cerberus just replaced unrecoverable organs with artficial ones, making him stronger than before in the process.

[AntiChri5]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote... I still find it ridiculous that it's not TIM's fault that his own people decided to do there own messed up experiements. Does he have any real control over Cerberus at all?

When you're in a hands-off management system, feel free to share how omniscent you are of everyone else's thoughts and actions.

Except for that part where EDI tells you that TIM keeps Cerberus cells small so he can keep track of each of them personally.

[fongiel24]

vallix wrote...

I'm just curious at what point are you not considered human anymore? As far as we know not much of Shepards parts(organs, bones, etc) are human anymore, so why are we still considered human?

This thread is turning into a discussion of existentialism. Whether or not Shepherd is human depends on what you think makes us human. If it's just the physical parts, then anybody with prosthetics, a pacemaker, an artificial hip, etc. is no longer human. At what point do we draw a line and say, "You are no longer human because you crossed the X% threshold of nonhuman parts?"
If "humanness" is defined by our perception of ourselves as well as how others perceive us, then Shepherd is undeniably human. He self-identifies as a human, others identify him as a human, and he has recognizable human personality traits.

[AntiChri5]

Shepard is more human than Busomjack.

[Tlazolteotl]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Shepard is more human than Busomjack.

LMAO .. you win the internet.

[Vicious]

He was chilling [lol] in outer space for a LONG TIME, pretty close to absolute zero and asphyxiated to death when his suit ruptured.

He'd probably be like the protagonist [not Conner] in Terminator Salvation.
 
Remember that they basically had to remake his entire face] If you go Paragon it heals. If you go Renegade then the facial reconstruction job gets pretty obvious, and i'm going to go ahead and guess that his eyes were completely useless and he'd be blind if they didn't replace them
.

So did you consider the Terminator:Salvation guy human? Shepard has a human heart and a human brain. Hopefully that's enough roflol.