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[CommanderDJ]

I know this is a n00b question, but I've been playing Mass Effect for ages and not once did I come across anything suggesting that Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander. However, the wiki page for him/her claims that he/she is. an someone confirm/deny this and provide evidence? Thanks.

CommanderDJ

[TuringPoint]

I think Shepard needs a promotion...

[vallix]

Pretty sure it says he is in the Codex of ME1.

[Nivenus]

I always figured they got a promotion when they made Spectre though. Not sure if there's any canonical basis to that though.

[Goodwood]

vallix wrote...

Pretty sure it says he is in the Codex of ME1.

The codex entry entitled "Timeline" clearly states that Shepard is a lieutenant commander.

[askanec]

Shepard's rank in the Alliance is Lieutenant Commander. However, since he become a Spectre, I would guess he's no longer in the Alliance. That'll explain why Kaidan/Ashley got promoted, but Shepard did not.

[Darthnemesis2]

askanec wrote...

Shepard's rank in the Alliance is Lieutenant Commander. However, since he become a Spectre, I would guess he's no longer in the Alliance. That'll explain why Kaidan/Ashley got promoted, but Shepard did not.

Not to mention the fact Shep died and stuff .

But I thought Hackett said in ME1 that Shep was still part of the Alliance, even after becoming a Spectre.

[Nivenus]

askanec wrote...

Shepard's rank in the Alliance is Lieutenant Commander. However, since he become a Spectre, I would guess he's no longer in the Alliance. That'll explain why Kaidan/Ashley got promoted, but Shepard did not.

Shepard's still an Alliance soldier. I don't think Spectres work like that. Hackett clearly still thinks of you as an Alliance soldier, as does pretty much everyone on your team who you talk to in both ME1 and ME2 (by which I mean, during ME1 rather than during ME2).

[askanec]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

askanec wrote...

Shepard's rank in the Alliance is Lieutenant Commander. However, since he become a Spectre, I would guess he's no longer in the Alliance. That'll explain why Kaidan/Ashley got promoted, but Shepard did not.

Not to mention the fact Shep died and stuff .

But I thought Hackett said in ME1 that Shep was still part of the Alliance, even after becoming a Spectre.

If Shepard is part of the Alliance and got killed in action, they would definitely promote him. Whichever Alliance member (Ashley or Kaidan) died in Virmire got posthumously promoted and awarded the Salarian and Turian medals.

Modifié par askanec, 01 mai 2010 - 04:55 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I saved the citadel and all I got was this lousy t-shirt.



Seriously where was my promotion for that?

[KalosCast]

If Shep actually got all the promotions they deserved, they'd be pushing pencils with Udina, filling out requisition forms for "save the universe" defense cannon orders. As for ME2, you're not Alliance military anymore, so you're called commander because you're... in command.

[Goodwood]

Master and Commander indeed.

[fongiel24]

I'm pretty sure Shepherd got promoted in ME1 after Captain Anderson hands the ship over to him. If not, the reason he's called "Commander" and not "Lieutenant Commander" is the same reason why in the military "Lieutenant Colonels" are still called "Colonel", flag officer ranks in the navy are often referred to as "Admiral", and all senior army officers are often called "General": calling someone "Lieutenant Commander" (or Brigadier General or Rear Admiral) over and over again becomes a real mouthful. It's perfectly reasonable that people would refer to Shepherd as "Commander", even if his real rank is only Lieutenant Commander.

[Inquisitor Recon]

KalosCast wrote...
If Shep actually got all the promotions they deserved, they'd be pushing pencils with Udina, filling out requisition forms for "save the universe" defense cannon orders. As for ME2, you're not Alliance military anymore, so you're called commander because you're... in command.

Well in that case I want to insist that everybody call me Admiral Shepard. And I want one of those hats (not the berets) that generic officer on the Normandy SR1 had.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 01 mai 2010 - 06:07 .

[Lord Coake]

Truth be told, I really don't think anyone in the upper echelons of the Alliance military would want Shepard promoted much higher. Sheps an awe-inspiring Field Officer. She's a combat commander, a frontline war leader, not a flag officer commanding whole fleets and divisions from a secure position or the bridge of a dreadnought.



Thats by no means saying anything against Shepard, either. She's very mission oriented, and keeps her mind on the task at hand. Flag officers...can't really do that. As much as they wish they could grab an assault rifle and lead the assault themselves, they have far greater responsibilities to handle. That said, militaries live and breathe on crack field officers like Shep. She's in the best position she could be to do the most good, nobody sane would want to take her out of it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

But my Commander Shepard has ambition. He wants to be a general or admiral commanding divisions or fleets. He wants to stage a coup someday and rule with an iron fist.

Udina. It must be his fault...

Modifié par ReconTeam, 01 mai 2010 - 07:14 .

[TuringPoint]

She could be promoted to Captain, at least.  Or perhaps just promoted to "Commander".

Modifié par Alocormin, 01 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Dreykov]

The only reason why Bioware doesn't have Shep as Admiral by the time of ME2 is to prevent the creation of an army of Ackbar Shepards

[fongiel24]

Lord Coake wrote...

Truth be told, I really don't think anyone in the upper echelons of the Alliance military would want Shepard promoted much higher. Sheps an awe-inspiring Field Officer. She's a combat commander, a frontline war leader, not a flag officer commanding whole fleets and divisions from a secure position or the bridge of a dreadnought.

Thats by no means saying anything against Shepard, either. She's very mission oriented, and keeps her mind on the task at hand. Flag officers...can't really do that. As much as they wish they could grab an assault rifle and lead the assault themselves, they have far greater responsibilities to handle. That said, militaries live and breathe on crack field officers like Shep. She's in the best position she could be to do the most good, nobody sane would want to take her out of it.

If Lieutenant Commander in the ME world correlates to the same rank in the real world, Shepherd would not be on the frontlines either. The job of actually leading men into battle generally falls to junior officers like lieutenants or captains (army/marine corps rank captain, not navy captain which is a much more senior rank in the navy) at most. If the Systems Alliance marines are structured like a NATO-style military, it's actually the NCOs that militaries live and breathe on.

Modifié par fongiel24, 01 mai 2010 - 07:38 .

[KalosCast]

Dreykov wrote...

The only reason why Bioware doesn't have Shep as Admiral by the time of ME2 is to prevent the creation of an army of Ackbar Shepards

That's probably a good thing, given all the traps you walk into.

[Orion1836]

I was always wondering what the official source for Shep's rank was. I've never seen any dialogue refer to his full rank in the game itself. Shepard's age is about right for him to be a Lieutenant Commander (O-4), anyway.



It kind of bothered me that they jumped Kaiden all the way up to Staff Commander (O-5). Even if he was a Staff Lieutenant in ME1, that's still two ranks in two years. Sure, he was part of the team that defeated Saren, but that's a *massive* jump.

[fongiel24]

Orion1836 wrote...

It kind of bothered me that they jumped Kaiden all the way up to Staff Commander (O-5). Even if he was a Staff Lieutenant in ME1, that's still two ranks in two years. Sure, he was part of the team that defeated Saren, but that's a *massive* jump.

That always seemed weird to me too. Ashley only gets bumped up by one rank. I have a feeling somebody screwed up and wrote Staff Commander when it should have been Staff Lieutenant. Going by the Alliance's rank system, that makes infinitely more sense.

[Jonesey2k]

Heh, if you don't reprise your Spectre status, Kaidan outranks you.

[Lord Coake]

fongiel24 wrote...

Orion1836 wrote...

It kind of bothered me that they jumped Kaiden all the way up to Staff Commander (O-5). Even if he was a Staff Lieutenant in ME1, that's still two ranks in two years. Sure, he was part of the team that defeated Saren, but that's a *massive* jump.

That always seemed weird to me too. Ashley only gets bumped up by one rank. I have a feeling somebody screwed up and wrote Staff Commander when it should have been Staff Lieutenant. Going by the Alliance's rank system, that makes infinitely more sense.

Or, around the start of ME1, Kaiden has a promotion in the pipe already, and saving the Citadel lands him alother one.  By the time we meet him in ME2, his O-5 could still be pretty new.  It means he was promoted quickly, but having the attention of top officers (Hackett) tends to lead to meteoric promotions and a very exciting -if short- life for combat officers.

Also, as a ultra-rare human biotic (according to the wiki, anyway) Kaiden is pretty much fast-tracked anyway.  That he's a very competant soldier and leader in his own right is just gravy.

[Jonesey2k]

Ashley is on the Navy's **** list because of her Grandfather don't forget.
Her Father never even made it to NCO despite putting loads of effort.

Modifié par Jonesey2k, 01 mai 2010 - 05:21 .