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[fongiel24]

sumof all fear wrote...

Why wouldn't it work? Shepard was in the marines, and Brigadier General is a valid rank in the marines.  It is about 3 steps below General, and can be held by servicemen in combat service,  plus it sounds cool as hell.  By the way, Garrus is cool as all hell, so no i wouldn't shoot him.

Garrus getting shot in the stomach with a .44 and promoting Shepherd to General is a Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 reference. Without giving too much away, I was referencing the comparisons between Garrus and a certain masked character in Call of Duty.

In any case, Brigadier General is not a valid rank in the Systems Alliance Marines. It is a valid rank in the United States Marine Corps but in the ME universe, Alliance Marines fall directly under the Navy's command structure. They are not even a semi-independent branch and thus at the higher ranks, their officers are Admirals and not Generals.

[Jonesey2k]

Lol just noticed, Irish accent? How can you confuse a Scottish accent with Irish?


I suppose I've lost track at how many times I've been mistaked for an Australian while on holiday....

[Orion1836]

khevan wrote...

Orion1836 wrote...

How about they bring back the Commodore rank just for him? It would sound mostly the same, and still be a promotion?

Commodore is a flag rank, just under Rear Admiral.  Having Shepard as a flag rank when he needs to be a field officer (captain or below) doesn't make sense to me.

A Captain in the MEverse is equivalent to the modern US Army's Colonel, ME Commander is Lieutenant Colonel,
Lieutenant Commander is Major...etc.

So in modern US Army parlance, Shepard would be a Major, which is still a fairly senior rank for leading a team of soldiers on what are essentially special operations missions.  I actually don't want Shep to get promoted, as the added responsibility would preclude him from being a ground forces leader.  And if Bioware promotes Shep and keeps him in the same role he's in now, it's very bad writing, in my opinion.

O-4 is indeed a perfect rank for Shep, given his age and his position. That being said, it is kind of bollocks that they promoted Alenko to O-5 when it appears all he is doing is running a small task force.

If, at the end of ME2, you renounce Cerberus, I could see the Alliance reinstating him and promoting him to captain. It would be fitting given his achievements.

I bring up the 'commodore' rank because "Captain Shepard" just doesn't quite sound right after we've become so used to "Commander Shepard." Commodore would sound similar and technically it could apply. Commodore is a flag rank, but just barely. It isn't a rank you're promoted to, rather it's bestowed upon the senior captain of a fleet when no admirals are present. However, it was used as a temporary rank, and would be discontinued after the fleet was disbanded.

I'm sure when it comes time to fight the reapers, Shepard will have a bunch of ships behind him (Krogan, Geth, Quarian, and Alliance, at least). I could easily see him being given the rank of commodore, especially if there are any naval buffs within Bioware.


That, and "Commodore Shepard" just sounds badass.



I also fully support "Agent Shepard" or "Operative Shepard" if you both reject SPECTRE membership AND ally yourself with TIM after ME2.

Modifié par Orion1836, 03 mai 2010 - 04:36 .

[fongiel24]

Jonesey2k wrote...

Lol just noticed, Irish accent? How can you confuse a Scottish accent with Irish?


I suppose I've lost track at how many times I've been mistaked for an Australian while on holiday....

You have no idea how many times I've been thisclose to receiving a beating for calling a Scotsman an Irishman and vice versa. But isn't Soap from COD an Irishman? I thought "Mac-s" were Irish?

[Jonesey2k]

Heh, well the voice actor is Scot, its Private Cooper from Dog Soldiers!

[TuringPoint]

Shepard could safely be promoted to Captain. We'd get used to the new rank soon enough, I think. Some people would complain, certainly, but there will always be someone who complains.



Also, all this arguing that Shepard shouldn't be promoted because she's a good field officer doesn't make sense. I mean, Alliance ranks are a little bit different from traditional navy or marine ranks in that they combine the two, more or less.



We don't have much clear information about what ranks could be acting as field officers, or what the responsibilities of a rank are. Also, consider that the Alliance fifth fleet took orders from Shepard in the final decision of ME1, though that could benefit either argument. Shepard might not need the rank to be influential.



But something, at least a ceremony, maybe at the end of ME3, would be nice. Just to reward the player. Maybe give ranks to the Shepard according to accomplishments in the last two games?

[nhsk]

Shepard giving "orders" to the entire Arcturus Fleet in the end of ME1 can be summarized down to one thing. He was present and had operational knowledge of what was going on, if he deemed it necessary to either ignore Ascension to take down Sovereign or figured it would be necessary to save them, a senior officer would do well to listen to what he said.

But could actually ignore his recommendation (if the mass relays were open to do ignore it).

[LPPrince]

nhsk wrote...

Shepard giving "orders" to the entire Arcturus Fleet in the end of ME1 can be summarized down to one thing. He was present and had operational knowledge of what was going on, if he deemed it necessary to either ignore Ascension to take down Sovereign or figured it would be necessary to save them, a senior officer would do well to listen to what he said.
But could actually ignore his recommendation (if the mass relays were open to do ignore it).

Well, if it wasn't Shepard that contacted the Arcturus Fleet, and say, it was Jenkins or Ashley, do you really think they'd listen to them?

[nhsk]

There is an operational difference on Shepard and Willams, Officer rank vs. sergeant rank. There is a huge difference in operational knowledge required.

Jenkins? You mean "It makes no difference whether you allocate my two squad points or not" Jenkins?

Even if it was Kaidan Alenko, he is still a junior officer at the time.

Shepard is commander, equivalent of major. Anyway over company command status and that alters how officers interact with eachother in most militaries.

[Jonesey2k]

He is also a Spectre, who's only superiors are the Council itself.

[Zaisha_temp]

Alocormin wrote...

Shepard could safely be promoted to Captain. We'd get used to the new rank soon enough, I think. Some people would complain, certainly, but there will always be someone who complains.

 

Heck, we already got a taster in being called "Captain Sheppard vas Normandy".

I also like the previously mentioned option of the temporary rank of Commadore with regard to being the nominal (i.e. for political expediency only, all the real management and command stuff is taken care of by the respective officers in each fleet) leader of a mixed species anti-Reaper fleet. You'd still be "Commander Sheppard" everywhere else, but for fleet business you're the Commadore.

[lovgreno]

Spectres are above military ranks so I guess it doesn't matter much what rank Shepard have. On the other hand "Captain Shepard of the starship Normandy" sounds rather cool.

[crimzontearz]

it will make little difference since cerberus is most probably still part of the alliance so one way or another shepard will be given a black ops rank on top lf spectre status if he decided to keep it

Modifié par crimzontearz, 08 mai 2010 - 03:46 .

[Zaisha_temp]

Belial10 wrote...

Shepard is already an O-4 that basically does an E-6's job, any more promotions would go from being used in a pinch as a brilliant small squad tactician and leader, into why the hell is a guy of this rank doing this job?

Don't different branches of sevice have different standards for this? For example: as far as I know the "basic grunt" of combat pilots will still have an officer rank of some sort. (I could be wrong though, my military knowledge is strictly movie/entertaiment-based)

Perhaps black ops organisations (i.e. the "N" in "N7" as explained in the codex) also have frontliners with higer rank than one would expect? Both in recognition of their skill and to make sure that a normal marine lieutenant or similar listens when some unknown guy in a camo suit walks out of the bushes and tells him to set up a roadblock 2 miles to the west and look for escaping targets.

[khevan]

In a special ops organization like the Special Forces or Navy Seals, Shepard's job would be done by an officer of no greater rank than 0-3 (Captain in the Army, Lieutenant in the Navy), and frequently by a non-commissioned officer of E-7 or E-8 rank (Sergeant First class or Master Sergeant in the Army, not sure in the Navy). Shepard being an 0-4, like I said in an earlier post, makes him a bit senior to be doing the job he's doing, so I do not, repeat, do not want to see him promoted, unless it's at the end of ME3. Otherwise, he's entirely too senior of an officer to be "boots on the ground" with the troops.

edit: Accidentally typed Rangers instead of SF.  Whoops.

Modifié par khevan, 08 mai 2010 - 05:26 .

[fongiel24]

Zaisha_temp wrote...

Belial10 wrote...

Shepard is already an O-4 that basically does an E-6's job, any more promotions would go from being used in a pinch as a brilliant small squad tactician and leader, into why the hell is a guy of this rank doing this job?

Don't different branches of sevice have different standards for this? For example: as far as I know the "basic grunt" of combat pilots will still have an officer rank of some sort. (I could be wrong though, my military knowledge is strictly movie/entertaiment-based)

Perhaps black ops organisations (i.e. the "N" in "N7" as explained in the codex) also have frontliners with higer rank than one would expect? Both in recognition of their skill and to make sure that a normal marine lieutenant or similar listens when some unknown guy in a camo suit walks out of the bushes and tells him to set up a roadblock 2 miles to the west and look for escaping targets.

"Basic grunt" combat pilots are being handed a multimillion dollar piece of machinery capable of reaping massive amounts of destruction. That kind of responsibility requires an individual with maturity and extensive training that can usually only be found at the junior officer rank or above (or a senior NCO in the RAF I believe).

In black ops and special forces units, you occasionally see a higher ranking officer than expected commanding a certain unit, but this isn't usually bumped up more than one or more ranks. This is more a function of special forces units having greater freedom of action than normal units, thus requiring an officer with greater experience. You still will not generally see a colonel (army/marines) or commander ranks (navy) taking the field at the frontlines as a squad commander though.

[TheBlackBaron]

Sialater wrote...

KalosCast wrote...

If Shep actually got all the promotions they deserved, they'd be pushing pencils with Udina, filling out requisition forms for "save the universe" defense cannon orders. As for ME2, you're not Alliance military anymore, so you're called commander because you're... in command.

Actually, she should be called "Captain," no matter what her actual rank, since she's in charge of her own ship.  At the very least she should be called that while ON THE SHIP.

This is true. Navy Captains (equivalent to full-bird Colonels in the Army/USMC, as already pointed out), when they're in charge of a single ship and not a squadron, typically command the big important ships like carriers and boomers. Command of a destroyer or frigate usually falls to a Commander, but they're still referred to as "Captain" to honor their position.

Anyhow, I like to think that Shep probably got promoted to Staff Commander after becoming a Spectre or winning the Battle of the Citadel. I mean, he is the commanding officer of the Normandy, that alone justifies it even if somebody of his rank would be very unlikely to be out leading marines on the ground.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 08 mai 2010 - 07:22 .

[Kenshen]

Well if ME3 ends the way I want it, I will have a new title of Overlord Shepard, ruler of the galaxy or something close to that.

[Jonesey2k]

I'd be happy to stick with my current rank. Shep may "only" be a Lt Cdr but Admiral Mikhailovich has NEVER set foot aboard Normandy and Admiral Hackett can't reprimand me

[primero holodon]

I'd have to say shepard was a lieutenant commander in the first game. nobody refers to him as such since Lietenant commander isn't exactly the most convinient title in a conversation. what I want to know is why nobody calls him captain even though he is in command of the normandy and why everybody in ME2 still refers to him as a commander even though he is no longer in the alliance.

[Your Salvation Through Destruction]

OK, look he(or she) IS "Commander Shepard" not only is it a rank, but the name associated with the character. If Shepard got a promotion he wouldn't be "the commander" it would be like giving Master Chief a promotion, he wouldn't be called Master Chief any more. it would be a stupid thing to do, not to mention the only thing above commander is soldiers who are admirals of some kind. If Shepard was an admiral he wouldn't be sent on runs and errands like he is. He would have a bigger responsibility to the alliance, handling probably more than one ship, meaning he would send other people to do the stuff he doesn't have time to do anymore. Commander rank is high enough to have trust to do what you have to do without being babysat by the upper officials, but low enough to have to be stuck with the tedious work the character is forced to do, but hell if you need him to have a promotion just pretend he went from lieutenant commander to staff commander. that way Shepard would keep his name the same.

[Your Salvation Through Destruction]

Your  Welcome.

Modifié par Your Salvation Through Destruction, 05 décembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[jedielfsorcerer]

If you choose Spacer as Shepard's background, then there is "already" a Captain Shepard, she Captain Shepard is Commander Shepard's mother.

ANd you "don't" promote a person's child above their parent in rank.

That is how I think about it.

Also, by the time Shepard comes back to earth, in ME3, with all of the ships, from all of the races that he\\she is able to recruit, (by this point Shepard's mother is rear admiral), Then Shepard should be ranked a rank or two below his\\her mother's. General would be good.