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[Arawn-Loki]

Didn’t perform well in the war against Sovereign and the Geth, but that was because it got taken by surprise and was surrounded. It still has the heaviest firepower of any ship in the Council fleet. Much like upgrading the Normandy in ME2, I think the survival of the Destiny Ascension will make for a more favorable final battle against the Reapers.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 01 mai 2010 - 08:43 .

[Daralii]

[Arawn-Loki]

Daralii wrote...

Ha.

This is the storyline forum.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 01 mai 2010 - 09:18 .

[KalReegarVasNeema]

Eh, this is what always bugs me. If the destiny's ascension was so great, why couldn't it destroy Sovereign? I mean the Normandy swooped in and shot it like twice, and they explained how powerful the former was in great detail.

[Arawn-Loki]

KalReegarVasNeema wrote...

Eh, this is what always bugs me. If the destiny's ascension was so great, why couldn't it destroy Sovereign? I mean the Normandy swooped in and shot it like twice, and they explained how powerful the former was in great detail.

Well, absorbing the collective fire of the Fifth Fleet wore down Sovereign's shields and armor. After that, Joker probably calculated the trajectory that would do the most damage to a ship of Sovereign's mass and then executed it. Reaper shields may be stronger than those of the Council species, but eventually, under prolonged pressure, their deflective capabilities will reach a critical limit.

Similarly, if a giant trips on Earth, then their mass under the force of gravity would kill them. That's one reason why insects can fall huge distances and still survive, when proportional falls would kill humans. Without its shields, Sovereign's mass makes it a giant tomb.  

The Ascension works under the same principle. Without a properly deployed guard, eventually the concentrated fire of more agile fleets will wear it down. What the Alliance Fifth Fleet did to Sovereign, the Geth did to the Ascension.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 01 mai 2010 - 09:41 .

[mosor]

The destiny ascension is just overrated. A big lumbering ship just makes you a bigger target. Kinda like soldiers in WW1. When they charged from the trenches, the enemy usually concentrated fire on the taller people and they got shot first. That's why armies today like to keep people of similar height in the same units.

[Arawn-Loki]

mosor wrote...

The destiny ascension is just overrated. A big lumbering ship just makes you a bigger target. Kinda like soldiers in WW1. When they charged from the trenches, the enemy usually concentrated fire on the taller people and they got shot first. That's why armies today like to keep people of similar height in the same units.

If we're comparing to WWI, it is more like the Bismarck than anything.

The Ascension probably can probably support multiple thanix Cannons, a stronger thanix canon, or re-charge their Thanix canon more quickly. That's not useless.

[Kerilus]

You are not wrong OP. But just let me put it this way: Were there any opportunity to kill off the council without destorying the Destiny Ascension, I would have saved it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

The Ascension was pathetic. Considering the fact that Sovereign never targeted the DA directly, it should have been able to decimate much of the geth fleet!



And the turian cruisers? Yeah Sovereign destroyed several, but they still should have performed better against the geth.

[Arawn-Loki]

ReconTeam wrote...

The Ascension was pathetic. Considering the fact that Sovereign never targeted the DA directly, it should have been able to decimate much of the geth fleet!

And the turian cruisers? Yeah Sovereign destroyed several, but they still should have performed better against the geth.

Again, mass is not your friend when it comes to coping with large numbers of hostile agile beings. People can be killed by bee hives that way.

The Destiny Ascension is like Arsenal Gear in MGS2. Great when it is deployed correctly and has its rear and flanks protected, a death trap when it is surrounded.

Don't forget one of the first things Saren did when he infriltrated the Citadel was shut off its defenses, an outcome Council defense thought impossible because infrilitrating the Citadel was supposed to be impossible. The deployment of the Turian-Asari-Salarian fleet was based on the assumption they would have the support of the Citadel's turrets.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 01 mai 2010 - 10:44 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Incompetence all around then. Everybody should be glad I put a new council in place.

[Arawn-Loki]

ReconTeam wrote...

Incompetence all around then. Everybody should be glad I put a new council in place.

Eh.

If its an all-human council, I think it will make ME3 pretty awkward.

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 01 mai 2010 - 10:47 .

[Dean_the_Young]

The Destiny Ascension's main advantage was it's firepower, but Mass Accelerators are already outclassed in ME2 by Thannix Cannons and whatever the name of the Normandy's new torpedoes are. Plenty of smaller fighters and cruisers with Thannix Cannons and disrupter torpedoes would be a much better, and effective, investment than the Destiny Ascension.

[Jonesey2k]

The attacking force would aim to take out the biggest ship fist.

In a fight I always punch the biggest lad first, it doesn't work but at lest it looks cool



I was also under the impression that after we had killed Sovereign's avatar, the ship's shields and systems had also been disabled as seen by it falling away from the tower and the lightning, hence being an easy target for Normandy.

[wizardryforever]

I would also like to point out that the DA is/was a dreadnought, meaning its main gun is long range only. By the time it knew what was happening, the geth were swarming it and Sovereign was inside the arms. So it couldn't do much other than soak up damage during the battle (close range). It could have engaged Sovereign after you save it and open the arms, though.

[jojon2se]

Arawn-Loki's thoughts are mine. I'd wager Saren was even able to take quite some of the out-of-its-water support fleet's systems offline, from the citadel - no network security in the future.



Besides, this must have been a fiddly battle, assuming nobody wanted to risk shooting up the densly populated citadel itself.



I'm sure there will be subtle differences to the bombastic end battle of ME3, depending on our decisions. It is too simple to think of it as each race basing their fleet compositions mostly around one specific strategic class of vessel, like heavy artillery, cruisers, frigates and carrier support, for Asari, Turian, Salarian and Human, respectively, but I wouldn't be surprised if things turn out to have been deliberately simplified, much in that way, for gameplay purposes. The loss of one "ally faction" will be compensated by another substituting it, either with same class or equivalent capability. It is going to be interesting to see what Rachni ships are like... Heh, maybe even the Batarians break out of isolation and roll in after the fleets of Citadel races are weakened (waiting for this on purpose, of course), to save the day at the last minute and afterwords begin to demand rescuer's due.

[Archereon]

The ascension will be absolutely useless against the Reapers. The codex says their guns (pretty much Thanix cannons on steroids) can one shot other dreadnoughts. The only reason the ascension wasn't blown up in the first 3 seconds of the battle was that Sovereign just went straight for the citadel.