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[Mescalito]

I couldn't care less on a single player game if one does it or not.
I read this a couple of times now but still wouldn't do it, as well as reloading before a conversation. 99% of the time, I just stick to the same sequence of answers, no matter how it ended.

Regarding conversations, I don't like the feeling of redoing history - but that's just me.

Modifié par Mescalito, 04 décembre 2009 - 12:16 .

[Blue_dodo]

I did it for all the specialiazations except blood mage,shapeshifter and assasin oh and arcane warrior.



to me it's sort of a "whatever" scenarioh wether or not I cheated its opened is it not ?, besides once I have them all open I don't have to worry about getting them first place, this is especially true with berserker which would have been a pain to get had there not been a book

[MerinTB]

Also I kind of look at it like using a strategy guide or a walkthrough or such on your first playthrough.



It FEELS LIKE cheating to me, and I won't do it.



But I won't tell other people who do it that they are wrong for doing it - just that it would feel wrong to me to do it.



Have fun however with your game!



I really wanted Morrigan to have Blood Magic but, alas, I never unlocked it. I didn't know ahead of time (and am glad I didn't) where you got it and that it was the only way to get it.



I did get Arcane Warrior just via exploring and choices, but I could not picture Morrigan in armor so I never bothered with it.



I barely took bard for my rogue, and only because I was RPing that Leliana and my girl were such good friends in camp that she picked up a few things from the girl naturally.

[AnnDeFerm]

I have so many chars anyway so about everything is unlocked 'for free' for about half my chars without this 'cheat'.

[Hakasami]

I think if you follow what a "guide" tells you to do, you're not really playing the game.

If I wanted to be told what to do and how to do it, I'd move to a communist nation; become a robot; or find a way to go back in time and keep my parents and me from aging.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

I did not cheat for specialisations, I've earned all mine( msotly from talking to companions and whatnot). The only thing I've cheated for is health refills(in desperation). There was one section in Redcliffe where I just got tired and frustrated of constanly dying while fighting the undead so I cheated just to pass that bit. I'm trying not to do it again unless I really need to as a last resort.

[buzerunn]

I cheated.



Yes I play for fun, and had fun cheating!!!

[Iggynous]

why do you care?

[Skye Kross]

i cheated on my second play through because that was the time i noticed it. and tempted to kick myself in the ars but i guess its too late for that

[Jonfon_ire]

Haven't bothered doing that with the reload before purchase trick, but I may with the specs I'm not too bothered with this time around anyway. I have saved at certain points in the game so that I can go back and try to unlock some non-purchasable later though.

[TileToad]

Erruk wrote...
Honestly, why cheat in a video game? What is the point?

Well, a common human trait is, if you can't beat something or someone fairly... *fill in the blank*

Sucking at the game might be the reason I suppose.

[LGWu]

lawsie100 wrote...

what would reloading to get the money back do?

Well
no, noone is that dumb its a joke post yeh?

[Jonfon_ire]

TileToad wrote...

Erruk wrote...
Honestly, why cheat in a video game? What is the point?

Well, a common human trait is, if you can't beat something or someone fairly... *fill in the blank*

Sucking at the game might be the reason I suppose.

Yes, because all cheats are equal of course. Someone deciding to save themselves 15 gold so they can buy something else from the shop which they might never get to visit again is exactly the same as running around with iddqd and idspispopd set (that's one for the old-timers). 

[TileToad]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

TileToad wrote...

Erruk wrote...
Honestly, why cheat in a video game? What is the point?

Well, a common human trait is, if you can't beat something or someone fairly... *fill in the blank*

Sucking at the game might be the reason I suppose.

Yes, because all cheats are equal of course. Someone deciding to save themselves 15 gold so they can buy something else from the shop which they might never get to visit again is exactly the same as running around with iddqd and idspispopd set (that's one for the old-timers). 

Cheats are cheats. Everything else is excuses.

[LGWu]

Tiletoad



Yes sucking indeed..

I played from a save on easy to see how easy it was..

My PC /allistair/lil/morrigan quad blew them into the weeds.

If they were not shattered they died by rougue daggers in a flurry of death,

I dont thin any of my peeps even went below 50% health..

Ogres went down before they took a ist swing.

Mages died during 1st cast..



What indeed is the point of cheating in Dragonage when there is a 'easy' button?



Wat do the teach kids in school these days?

How to not have any brains?



Im 50 and fear nothing.. Games are for fun

not competing with some other person

other people suck [but a few are ok a gallant band of brothers. a small rock in a ****storm]

[Jonfon_ire]

TileToad wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

TileToad wrote...

Erruk wrote...
Honestly, why cheat in a video game? What is the point?

Well, a common human trait is, if you can't beat something or someone fairly... *fill in the blank*

Sucking at the game might be the reason I suppose.

Yes, because all cheats are equal of course. Someone deciding to save themselves 15 gold so they can buy something else from the shop which they might never get to visit again is exactly the same as running around with iddqd and idspispopd set (that's one for the old-timers). 

Cheats are cheats. Everything else is excuses.

Meh. 

Personally I've far more issue with some of the gimpy game design & spells. For example the Taunt & FF combo which basically exploits crappy AI design is far cheatier than someone rolling back in order to save themselves 15 gold.

[LGWu]

And btw

If you use the brain you have you can afford the 90 talent drakeskin arm

The ring of ages.. [or whatever.. big con boost]

Manage your money

Lazy people cheat to get gold..



Why not simply start as god and say.. I WIN

[Ieldra]

I see no reason not to use the reload trick, unlike most other "cheats".

The reason is this: IMO, a specialization should be either gained by an in-world mechanic like a quest, or be available as a character advancement choice. So what is it supposed to be in DAO? The first in the first game(s), the second thereafter? I hate this kind of mixup between game mechanics and game world. Either the specializations should be available only by quest for *all* characters, then I would do one or the other quest and be content with the others not being available. Or they should be available as character advancement choices at certain levels for *all* characters. But this mechanic of "unlock it once, gain it for every character" I find more reason to cheat than to comply with. Just as a matter of principle.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 décembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[Errel]

NocturnalX wrote...

0_0 this is news to me...I really wanted to learn Blood Mage but didn't want to do what I had to to do it.

Same here, I'll do it with my next character though. My current char just.. doesn't do... that.

(woohoo, completely spoiler free!)

[Jonfon_ire]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I see no reason not to use the reload trick, unlike most other "cheats".

The reason is this: IMO, a specialization should be either gained by an in-world mechanic like a quest, or be available as a character advancement choice. So what is it supposed to be in DAO? The first in the first game(s), the second thereafter? I hate this kind of mixup between game mechanics and game world. Either the specializations should be available only by quest for *all* characters, then I would do one or the other quest and be content with the others not being available. Or they should be available as character advancement choices at certain levels for *all* characters. But this mechanic of "unlock it once, gain it for every character" I find more reason to cheat than to comply with. Just as a matter of principle.

Yep, I agree with this. Keep it consistant, either specializations are earned ingame by your characters actions or they are open to players when they hit the right levels for it. Personally I think any book specializations should be open by default when you hit the correct levels. The concept of suddenly learning how to summon wolves because a previous character read "Rangers for Dummies" is just weird.

It was even worse in Mass Effect though in the way achievements opened up skill trees for character classes which were never meant to get them. 

[LGWu]

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Personally I've far more issue with some of the gimpy game design & spells. For example the Taunt & FF combo which basically exploits crappy AI design is far cheatier than someone rolling back in order to save themselves 15 gold.

Jon

Well i could say same for somethin as obvious as double spelling blizzard and lightning around a corner
then standin back to wait and then looting.

Ai is always going to suck untill we have processors that asign ai to individual cores.
Game companies want to wow with graphics and get good rep for framerates.Ai is secondary.. just spwn more
bad guys is the current ethic.
The philosophy is that general population is too dumb to care.. And that may be accurate sad to say..
But for example i played Call of Duty 5  and stopped playing when i was in a trench an watched endless streams of rabid japs spawning from nowhere through a crack in a tree some twit grapic artist forgot to cover .
Good AI is right here  but it uses many CPU cycles the designers want to spend on graphics and phys,
eye candy
And why not.. few are educated enough to know or care that the enemies depicted in games are actually beings with a will to keep living.
Does the average player think enemies are really so stupid.
God help them if they run into a REAL person who hates their guts.
No cheat codes in RL .

Lous

[MartinJHolm]

I didn't cheat in any way, I might unlock Blood Mage with a mod though.

[LGWu]

get to visit again is exactly the same as running around with iddqd and idspispopd set (that's one for the old-timers). 

LOL

What was that i know that ... idspispopd rings a bell...
doom>?

Louis

[Jonfon_ire]

LGWu wrote...

Jonfon_ire wrote...

Personally I've far more issue with some of the gimpy game design & spells. For example the Taunt & FF combo which basically exploits crappy AI design is far cheatier than someone rolling back in order to save themselves 15 gold.

Jon

Well i could say same for somethin as obvious as double spelling blizzard and lightning around a corner
then standin back to wait and then looting.

Ai is always going to suck untill we have processors that asign ai to individual cores.
Game companies want to wow with graphics and get good rep for framerates.Ai is secondary.. just spwn more
bad guys is the current ethic.
The philosophy is that general population is too dumb to care.. And that may be accurate sad to say..
But for example i played Call of Duty 5  and stopped playing when i was in a trench an watched endless streams of rabid japs spawning from nowhere through a crack in a tree some twit grapic artist forgot to cover .
Good AI is right here  but it uses many CPU cycles the designers want to spend on graphics and phys,
eye candy
And why not.. few are educated enough to know or care that the enemies depicted in games are actually beings with a will to keep living.
Does the average player think enemies are really so stupid.
God help them if they run into a REAL person who hates their guts.
No cheat codes in RL .

Lous

True. But at least the poor buggers will generally attempt to escape the general area when they get Infernoed etc. The AI at least TRIES to escape the carnage. With FF though they just sit there watching the "Unaffected" message scroll over again and again. 

And has no-one given you the RL infinite ammo cheat? It'll be dead handy when the zombie apocolypse comes (well it would if someone had also given me the "All Weapons" cheat. As it stands I'll be desperately throwing bullets at shambling corpses while shouting lines from The Evil Dead).

[menasure]

since i did every step necessary to gain the title of blood mage but mere technicalities prevent me to get it. mm no spoilers ... let us say i acted favorably towards several blood magic users throughout both of my runs so i do not consider it to be a cheat if someone unlocks blood mage with a mod.
in fact i feel like the game makes you cheat to unlock it really because on my first play through as evil mage the choices were bugged like hell but i ended up chosing a far more evil option in my opinion. other than that i made deals with (hidden) blood mages in game but for some reason bioware never seemed to include an option to gain their knowledge that way. needlessly complicated for just another specialization because the npcs would not even recognize a vampire in daylight, however trivial matters ... they all seem to know about that .
(why the heck is this in a no spoilers section?)

Modifié par menasure, 04 décembre 2009 - 11:15 .