Aller au contenu

Photo

Undertow- Fanfiction + Fanart (Updated 3/13)


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
556 réponses à ce sujet

#151
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Sarah1281 wrote...



Would the Chantry really risk forcibly taking the child of the Warden Commander/Hero of Ferelden/and a Cousland? I know Connor goes to the Circle but Isolde, Jowan, Teagan, AND Eamon all make it sound like Eamon is willingly SENDING him there, not that they have no choice in the matter and Templars are going to come marching in to seize him.



Edit: And it's not even like they don't have competent mages of their own who could train him.




Jowan and Teagan both indicated that it's a foregone conclusion that Connor go to the Tower and Eamon could have hired a competent mage to train him instead of sending him away.



But you're right, this situation is not as black and white as it would be if he were the child of commoners.

#152
LupusYondergirl

LupusYondergirl
  • Members
  • 2 616 messages
I think it depends on how you view the Chantry. They might see it as a political nightmare best avoided, but depending on how fanatical they are they could also see it as a great way to make an example of someone powerful trying to break the rules. A way to show everyone answers to them, no matter how important or famous or wealthy, that sort of thing,

#153
Addai

Addai
  • Members
  • 25 848 messages
*verklemmt!*

#154
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

LupusYondergirl wrote...

I think it depends on how you view the Chantry. They might see it as a political nightmare best avoided, but depending on how fanatical they are they could also see it as a great way to make an example of someone powerful trying to break the rules. A way to show everyone answers to them, no matter how important or famous or wealthy, that sort of thing,


Yeah, and it's probably a fairly unprecedented situation (between her station and resources, his age, and the severity of what happened). Who would she even go to first? She has to absolutely trust that she can state her case and not have him snatched from her on the spot because then it really could become ugly. 

Addai67 wrote...

*verklemmt!*


Told you.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:18 .


#155
Miri1984

Miri1984
  • Members
  • 4 532 messages
Oh, and I can't remember, did Brand kill Connor? Because there's all sorts of horrible in this situation that I hadn't even thought of if that's the case...

#156
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Miri1984 wrote...

Oh, and I can't remember, did Brand kill Connor? Because there's all sorts of horrible in this situation that I hadn't even thought of if that's the case...


She allowed Isolde to sacrifice herself (she didn't trust the situation to not go ****** up while she was gone and she couldn't justify potentially allowing more villagers, who were innocent, to die). 

#157
MelRedux

MelRedux
  • Members
  • 2 641 messages
So, I think I may have stopped breathing from the moment Alistair started yelling at Anders to the end of the chapter. Brain cells were killed from lack of oxygen, and I think I may have passed out.



At least that Bea b*tch wasn't the issue. I may have flown to Indiana jsut to smack you.

#158
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Mel_Redux wrote...

So, I think I may have stopped breathing from the moment Alistair started yelling at Anders to the end of the chapter. Brain cells were killed from lack of oxygen, and I think I may have passed out.

At least that Bea b*tch wasn't the issue. I may have flown to Indiana jsut to smack you.


I thought you might be relieved to have that settled. 

#159
MelRedux

MelRedux
  • Members
  • 2 641 messages
I'm really hoping I don't have an irrational desire to set you on fire by the time all this is done.

Image IPBImage IPB

#160
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Mel_Redux wrote...

I'm really hoping I don't have an irrational desire to set you on fire by the time all this is done.

Image IPBImage IPB


Me, too! Just remember: Batman checks. And Ron F. Mahariel.

#161
MelRedux

MelRedux
  • Members
  • 2 641 messages
...ok. I don't hate you. Yet.



MOAR FANART!!

Image IPB

#162
MelRedux

MelRedux
  • Members
  • 2 641 messages
....yes, I've been giggling uncontrollably for 10 staright minutes.

#163
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Mel_Redux wrote...

...ok. I don't hate you. Yet.

MOAR FANART!!
Image IPB


Oh, can't stop laughing. His XXX bottle of whiskeyshine is cracking me up (and so are Brand's angry brows). <3

#164
Addai

Addai
  • Members
  • 25 848 messages

Mel_Redux wrote...

...ok. I don't hate you. Yet.

MOAR FANART!!
Image IPB


I can't laugh at Alistair's misery, but I wish I could. 

#165
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Addai67 wrote...

I can't laugh at Alistair's misery, but I wish I could. 


Aw, if I didn't laugh at it I wouldn't be able to write about it.

One of these days I'm going to write something really sweet and Alistair-centric (maybe if I ever do a Ron story, since they're bros and he does everything right by him). 

#166
Sandtigress

Sandtigress
  • Members
  • 3 967 messages

Mel_Redux wrote...

So, I think I may have stopped breathing from the moment Alistair started yelling at Anders to the end of the chapter. Brain cells were killed from lack of oxygen, and I think I may have passed out.

At least that Bea b*tch wasn't the issue. I may have flown to Indiana jsut to smack you.


After the talk with Fiona and how Brand was wondering if Anders was going to be attracted to Alistair, I totally thought that's where Brand's mind was going with the whole "bed" thing.  XD  It took me a second to realize that she was thinking about Bea, I had totally forgotten about her!

And yeah, I giggled at the picture.  I admit it.

#167
MelRedux

MelRedux
  • Members
  • 2 641 messages

Sandtigress wrote...

Mel_Redux wrote...

So, I think I may have stopped breathing from the moment Alistair started yelling at Anders to the end of the chapter. Brain cells were killed from lack of oxygen, and I think I may have passed out.

At least that Bea b*tch wasn't the issue. I may have flown to Indiana jsut to smack you.


After the talk with Fiona and how Brand was wondering if Anders was going to be attracted to Alistair, I totally thought that's where Brand's mind was going with the whole "bed" thing.  XD  It took me a second to realize that she was thinking about Bea, I had totally forgotten about her!

And yeah, I giggled at the picture.  I admit it.


LOL Sandi...my mind was totally not THERE.  That would only work if I was in the middle.

#168
Sarah1281

Sarah1281
  • Members
  • 15 277 messages
His age? Is he older or younger than they normally are?

#169
Sandtigress

Sandtigress
  • Members
  • 3 967 messages

Sarah1281 wrote...

His age? Is he older or younger than they normally are?


I believe most children experience their magical powers around 10 or 11 or as they hit puberty.  He's very very young.

#170
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Sarah1281 wrote...

His age? Is he older or younger than they normally are?


He's only 4. 

#171
Miri1984

Miri1984
  • Members
  • 4 532 messages
Wynne went at 9. So yes, 4 is pretty young.

#172
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

Miri1984 wrote...

Wynne went at 9. So yes, 4 is pretty young.


I think the youngest that I've heard mentioned was Jowan, who was 6.

#173
Avilia

Avilia
  • Members
  • 3 056 messages
gah :crying:

#174
nos_astra

nos_astra
  • Members
  • 5 047 messages

Addai67 wrote...
I can't laugh at Alistair's misery, but I wish I could.

I can't laugh but I'm not sure I can pity anyone. I want to punch ALL OF THEM.

Alistair for obvious reasons (but I still love him, he's an extremely versatile character). Somehow I think a quick death in battle would be "good" for him because I don't see how this much damage could be healed. Also Brand and Fiona seem determined to add more damage instead of helping him, so why bother dragging him along at all?

Fiona for being a coward. While she was busy confiding in Brand and reassuring her (no, I don't hate you, I did worse things than you and my son is not really likeable anyway), her son was outside, stealing whiskey, drinking and considering suicide.

Brand for her incredibly bad timing and intuition. Seriously girl, how did you manage to lead anyone like this?

Anders for acting like this in front of Bryce, way to teach him how to use magic. Good plan not to tell Brand! *rolleyes*

Ok, I was wrong. I do pity Sigrun and Nathaniel somehow, for being stuck with a bunch of idiots. Also Bryce for having to live a life like this, being stuck with a weird mother and her immature boyfriend.

Who I really like is Nathaniel. I wonder what happened to Velanna to make him hate the Commander, but it's refreshing to see someone picking up on the flaws that brand is supposed to have.

Hmpf. Undertow is really draining. I wish, I could find anything to squee like all the Anders fangirls but somehow I've grown to dislike Anders, so the romance part doesn't do anything for me. Anders is in the same place Zevran is in most of the other stories. His main job is to hero-worship the main character and antagonize Alistair by being more likeable and awesome.*sigh*

Modifié par klarabella, 30 juillet 2010 - 08:50 .


#175
SurelyForth

SurelyForth
  • Members
  • 6 817 messages

klarabella wrote...
I can't laugh but I'm not sure I can pity anyone. I want to punch ALL OF THEM.
Alistair for obvious reasons (but I still love him, he's an extremely versatile character). Somehow I think a quick death in battle would be "good" for him because I don't see how this much damage could be healed. Also Brand and Fiona seem determined to add more damage instead of helping him, so why bother dragging him along at all?


Alistair is along because, as far as Brand knows, he's in as much danger as she is. She could have left him at the Vigil, but either he would have had to have been locked up (not happening) or he would have escaped and probably wandered into death.

So far, between being brought up tp her apartment and leaving the Vigil, Alistair has been far more dependable than not. Besides what what he said when Fiona was questioning him, his instability has been mostly internal. Brand has noticed the moodiness (withdrawal) and, of course, his tendency towards self-loathing (something that was present even before the Landsmeet) but she's focusing, especially subconciously, on the good she sees in him because that's what she wants to see; it's familiar and it lessens her guilt. So when she leaves a conversation with him, if there was any positive element at all, she takes that with her. If their interaction falls apart, she blames herself (such as when she takes him to see Botolf and after the discussion on the pier).



Fiona for being a coward. While she was busy confiding in Brand and reassuring her (no, I don't hate you, I did worse things than you and my son is not really likeable anyway), her son was outside, stealing whiskey, drinking and considering suicide.

Fiona would be the first to admit she's being a coward in this situation. She feels responsible for him leaving in the first place. If he hadn't had such a baseless existence, he would have had a fallback that was't "leave the country and get wasted". As for Fiona absolving Brand, when Brand apoligizes for turning him into a bitter man, Fiona doesn't dispute that at all.

And Fiona doesn't think that Alistair is unlikeable (nor does Brand), she just doesn't know him and her first impression of him was horrible. It has softened considerably since, as they had a friendly conversation in Amaranthine, but it's still hard for her to come to terms with.

And how could she have possibly known he'd be out drunk and suicidal? The last few times she spoke with/saw him, he was perfectly engaged. At the inn, he and Brand were having a civil conversation that resulted in him carrying Bryce up to bed. They were all more relaxed than they had been in ages (and sense of false comfort, really, which was intentional).


Brand for her incredibly bad timing and intuition. Seriously girl, how did you manage to lead anyone like this?

Her timing and intuition with Alistair is off, because she wants things to be back to normal so badly. It's absolutely intentional- she's better off than him because she's had people around her this whole time keeping her from falling apart, but she f*cked up her life because he left and she's admitted it but she's still blaming herself. Basically Alistair is like radar-jamming equipment for her. She thinks she is seeing everything, but she's only seeing what she wants to see and what she knows she can manage.



Anders for acting like this in front of Bryce, way to teach him how to use magic. Good plan not to tell Brand! *rolleyes*

This very thing will be addressed.

Ok, I was wrong. I do pity Sigrun and Nathaniel somehow, for being stuck with a bunch of idiots. Also Bryce for having to live a life like this, being stuck with a weird mother and her immature boyfriend.

Who I really like is Nathaniel. I wonder what happened to Velanna to make him hate the Commander, but it's refreshing to see someone picking up on the flaws that brand is supposed to have.


Nate's issues are because he and Teagan were best friends and he blames Brand for Teagan's death (and suspects that she and Anders were having an affair the entire time).


Hmpf. Undertow is really draining. I wish, I could find anything to squee like all the Anders fangirls but somehow I've grown to dislike Anders, so the romance part doesn't do anything for me. Anders is in the same place Zevran is in most of the other stories. His main job is to hero-worship the main character and antagonize Alistair by being more likeable and awesome.*sigh*

Seeing how Anders has just flat-out told her that he thinks she's not being responsible, I don't see how that's hero-worship. He's questioned her on several things and from the very first chapter. And I don't think anything he's done to Alistair has been painted as being particularly awesome. He was first angry at him for hurting Brand, and then he was angry at him for being an ass. Since Alistair helped him at the Vigil, he's treated him pretty much the same way he treats anyone he doesn't know that well (unless Alistair starts something, and that is usually handled with a look or exchange).

I acknowledge all of your criticisms and agree with you on some of them, but I think there are deeper explanations for several things, some of which have been merely hinted at and won't be completely explored until later. And, of course, there will be lots of people who aren't satisfied with what I come up with. I honestly hope that the would let me know, as you have, becuse responding to this has made me think very critically about my story, which is always a good thing.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 30 juillet 2010 - 04:21 .