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[Zamic45]

 Hey everybody quick question. If you don't have someone's loyalty does that automatically mean they are screwed on the suicide mission? Will they always die? Because this is my second paragon playthrough and was annoyedto find out  that I didn't have enough paragon to get his loyality. 

[Darth_Ravor]

No. it is possible to have everyone survive with only 4 loyal party members! i dont now how exactly, but i assume, miranda/garrus(to be leader of squads) loyal, tali/leigon (to be tech expert) loyal, and 1 or 2 more to have loyal ppl in your squad at all times. (not sure about morinth/samara, or jack since one of them needs to be your biotic. i think that if at least your real squad is loyal none of them will die there

[Darth_Ravor]

hope that helped, sorry 4 double post!

[Darth_Ravor]

also get all ship upgrades! sorry again 4 tripple post!

[Zamic45]

Wow thanks man that sure lifts a weight off my back. Zaeed is a jerk but not to the point I want him to get killed.

[Darth_Ravor]

no prob.

[t3HPrO]

Basically put,the more loyal squaddies you have,the higher your chances of getting the 'No One Left Behind' achievement.It seems that if your crew holding the line when you pick 2 members of your crew to go with you to blow up the base are all/mostly loyal(max 2 unloyal),everyone'll survive,even the non-loyal people.And the people you pick to go fight the Human Reaper have to be loyal,or they'll wind up dead.

Here's a systematic breakdown:

Fireteam leader(for initial infil/biotic spec segment):Loyal Miranda/Garrus/Jacob.Using anyone else(even when loyal),will cause your tech expert to die,and they will die from gunshot later on.

Tech Specialist:Loyal Legion/Tali.Apparently,a loyal Kasumi could get the job done perfectly,but since I never DL'd her,I can't say for sure.

Biotic Specialist:Loyal Samara/Jack.Usually I support Miranda,so Jack ends up being unloyal,so DON'T pick her if you did what I did.Using anyone else(even though they are loyal)gets one of your party members lifted by the seeker swarms,and thus killed.

Crew Escort:Anyone loyal will do,although Mordin/Tali/Jack are highly recommended,because it's been reported that if they are in the squad holding the line at the door,they incur a negative defensive bonus,which increases the chances of someone(usually unloyal teammates)dying.And only loyal squad members can do this,as an unloyal escort will end up dying.

Your Two 'Disciples':Must be loyal,or they'll die from getting crushed by debris at the end.

[Lumikki]

I usually try to get as many squad members to loyal as possible, before going to last mission.

How ever, I haven't found way to make all squad members loyal. I have no DLC content, so I have 10 squad member and I can get 9 of them loyal. How ever, Miranda and Jack, those is allways one or other for me. Don't know how to get them both loyal?

My choises are usually (all loyal):
Fireteam leader: Miranda
Tech Specialist: Tali
Bio Specialist: Samara
Crew Escort: Mordin

Modifié par Lumikki, 03 mai 2010 - 11:32 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Sounds like you're playing paragon.

Do both of miranda's and jack's loyalty missions before the collector ship .. breaking up the catfight is easier when done earlier.

[Lumikki]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

Sounds like you're playing paragon.
Do both of miranda's and jack's loyalty missions before the collector ship .. breaking up the catfight is easier when done earlier.

Yes, I seem to get more paragon than renegade.
I have done both Jacks and Mirandas missions as early as possible and both ways, I mean which one first. It allways give me just two choise, not the "paragon" or "renegade" choises. I assume the gray choises are those.

[Tlazolteotl]

Hmm. If it helps, the intimidate check is the easier one ...

I have a video of getting both of those choices at the same time ('cos I play 50/50 paragon/renegade), but you may have to look at the start of jack's loyalty mission to see how much I have of each.

Oh ... did you import from mass effect 1? 'cos you get a lot of paragon/renegade points transferred across that way.

[Lumikki]

Nope, I have just played ME2.

I ques I have to try to be more regerate at the beging, maybe it helps.

[Tlazolteotl]

If you go more renegade, you might fail to break up the tali/legion fight ('cos in that instance, the charm option is the easier one).

If I have to make a recommendation, side with jack during the catfight, then go talk to miranda and try to charm her loyalty back.

[t3HPrO]

Tlazolteotl wrote...

If you go more renegade, you might fail to break up the tali/legion fight ('cos in that instance, the charm option is the easier one).
If I have to make a recommendation, side with jack during the catfight, then go talk to miranda and try to charm her loyalty back.

Actually,that's highly risky as I used Gibbed save editor and found out(to my horror)that you need AT LEAST 1200(OMFG!!!)Para/Renegade points to win back either Miranda's/Jack's loyalty.Apparently,the catfight is easier to break up with Renegade(about 60-65% can get the job done)while you'll need at least 90% Paragon to break it up.However,Tali's confrontation with Legion is easier to break up using Paragon.70% Paragon is the prerequisite...I think...and approx. 85% Renegade is needed.Hope this and my earlier post helped.

[t3HPrO]

Lumikki wrote...

I usually try to get as many squad members to loyal as possible, before going to last mission.

How ever, I haven't found way to make all squad members loyal. I have no DLC content, so I have 10 squad member and I can get 9 of them loyal. How ever, Miranda and Jack, those is allways one or other for me. Don't know how to get them both loyal?

My choises are usually (all loyal):
Fireteam leader: Miranda
Tech Specialist: Tali
Bio Specialist: Samara
Crew Escort: Mordin

You could go down the cheat route like I did and use Gibbed's save editor...

[smecky-kitteh]

Zamic45 wrote...

 Hey everybody quick question. If you don't have someone's loyalty does that automatically mean they are screwed on the suicide mission? Will they always die? Because this is my second paragon playthrough and was annoyedto find out  that I didn't have enough paragon to get his loyality. 

no. just dont choose them to do any tasks or take them with you to fight the reaper larva and they should be fine. who is this "he" you speak of?

[swk3000]

For the Crew Escort, send Mordin unless you're using him on your squad. For some reason, he's almost always the first person in line to get killed when someone dies, even if he's loyal. Send him to escort the crew, and he'll survive no problem as long as he's loyal.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Tech Expert: Legion

Escort: Mordin or Thane

Biotics: Jack

Fire Team Leader: Garrus



I usually go paragon but tend to pick up a bunch of renegade points on Tuchanka.



Renegade = the end justifies the means

Paragon = principles and greater good > the end

My view = the end may justify the means as long as there is something to justify the end.

[swk3000]

Here's who I pick for everything. I've gotten the Achievement twice (though I obviously only got awarded for it once):



Tech Expert: Legion (Loyal)

Second Fire Team: Miranda or Garrus (depends on whether Miranda is in my squad)(both Loyal)

Biotic Specialist: Jack (Loyal)

Second Fire Team: Miranda or Garrus

Escort: Mordin



That's what I did, and it worked for me. I also used Samara instead of Jack for the Biotic Specialist, but I prefer Jack, as the final push with the Barrier makes more sense coming from Jack than it does Samara.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Seeing as how I never really trust the Cerberus people I go:



Squad: Tali and Thane



Tech specialist: Legion



Fire Team Leader: Garrus



Escort: Mordin



Biotic specialist: Samarra



All loyal and all sidequests done beforehand also. I'm a compulsive completist 

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Zamic45 wrote...

 Hey everybody quick question. If you don't have someone's loyalty does that automatically mean they are screwed on the suicide mission? Will they always die? Because this is my second paragon playthrough and was annoyedto find out  that I didn't have enough paragon to get his loyality. 

As others have said, for some of the characters loyalty shouldn't make too much a difference. Zaeed is one of these people as long as you don't use him as diversion leader or Escort on the 2nd phase or take him with you to the final battle.

Not had a playthrough where I've only had him not loyal and on door defence, but as he is one of the main door defence members I imagine it would be hard to get him killed there.

As a case in point, below is a playthrough i did with no one loyal but the ship upgraded. I used the right people (if they had been loyal) for the various tasks and the only person who died on door defence was Miranda. Went to the final battle with Jacob and Kasumi, so Jacob might have survived had I swapped him with Miranda.



With Kasumi thrown into the mix now, I don't think the 'everyone survives with just 4 loyal' will be possible (unless you leave recruiting her till after the mission) because she is a squishy who can die easily if left on door defence just like Tali is.

I believe the original '4' was Tali (most squishy vent runner out of her and Legion), Miranda (most squishy team leader out of her, jacob and garrus), Mordin (most squishiest squadmate overall) and Jack (most squishy biotic between her and Samara/Morinth). Final battle take Tali and Jack leaving a loyal Miranda with the others. With Kasumi in the mix I'd advise making her loyal as well.

[squigian]

From what I understand, each member has a "Hold the Line" score. There are the squishies (Mordin, Tali, Jack, Kasumi, Miranda), the normals (Jacob, Samara, Legion, Thane) and the tanks (Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed). Who survives on the line is not based on the overall score but the average; if the score is too low, it kills disloyal squishies first, loyal tanks last. Zaeed, in this case, is a disloyal tank but that doesn't really put him even close to first to be killed off. Loyalty does not, I think, affect the HTL score but does affect the pecking order of who gets killed first. So you can have a wholly disloyal team hold the door just fine if the tank vs. squishy ratio is favourable.

[swk3000]

squigian wrote...

tank vs. squishy ratio

That's amusing. No idea why, but it is.[/sub]

[smecky-kitteh]

also tali and miranda are the hardest charecters to get carried off by seeker swarms. miranda has a permo-lock so she cant die and the only way tali can die is if you bring miranda. any loyal chareter can be sent back with the crew or go with you to fight the final boss. if they are not loyal they will die.