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Illusivestofmen

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 So I'm a history major and I can't help but make parallels between some

of the races in the game with some of the nations in world history. Many
have very distinct attributes and personalities that I really think
were taken from real life. Obviously this isn't exact but I think some
of the structure of Mass Effect is taken from real events. This is just
my opinion but here are some parallels I see to world history and
foreign policy in the game.


Humans
/U.S.-
I can't stress enough how much humans in ME are symbolic of the United

States in so many ways. They are the newest entries to the citadel and
yet have already become one of the most powerful. They are disliked for this
rapid success. This is much like the rapid expansion of the U.S, over
traditional powers in Europe, in the 20th century. They also listed
constantly as "the most independent race". In real life Americans always
rank highly in being individualistic in world wide sociology. On the
negative side humans are also very often portrayed as somewhat crass and
money motivated which is a common perception of Americans. The human's are always described as "genetically diverse" as well and the United States is one of the most racially diverse nations on earth.

Turians/Prussia- Turians have a prominent military aristocracy in the game much like the Prussians. Their government is a hierachy, not one leader, which is very similar to the Germanic states of Prussia, who cooperated despite having a several kings. They also have a strict sense of military honor and are the best military race in the game. They also are renowned for their military training which has always been the hallmark of Prussia, which has really established the standard for military training in real life.

Salarians/Ancient China- Although Ancient China encompasses a few thousand years, the chinese during this time had some of the most advaced tech innovations. They discovered gun powder, invented writing ( tied with Mesopotamians), created the first ideas of professional beuracracy and education. The salarians are the most technologically advanced race in the game and mirror this innovation. Chinese confucian thought really fits the Salarians, who value intelligence and seem to care deeply about family and filial piety.The Chinese military was never the most powerful, but it was always the most intelligent due to espionage and study of the Art of War. The salarians fight the same way using intelligence over brute strength and the Art of War is even mentioned in their codex file. There are second to reach the citadel and China is often recognized as the second oldest national identity next to Egypt.

Asari/Ancient Egypt- Egypt is often cited as the first civilization and the Egyptian national identity is one of the oldest on earth much like the Asari are shown as the first race to reach the citadel and have a very long life span. The Egyptians are an extremely racially blended society, much like the Asari who are the only race that can reproduce with all other races. Egypt also has a history of strong female leaders who use seduction to get what they want like Cleopatra and Queen Nefertiti. The asari are an all female race and are the games "seductresses".


Batarians/North
Korea-
Batarians are the defintiion of a rogue race. They pull

themselves out of the citadel and wage war against humanity through
propaganda and criminal gangs. North Korea's propaganda does the same
with the U.S. and there have been reports of North Korea working with
criminal gangs to smuggle drugs into South Korea to harm the economy.
Batarians do not let their citizens legally leave the homeworld, much
like North Korea. Batarians are hell bent on obtaining weapons to
destroy humanity, much like North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons to destory it's enemies. Although the North Koreans do not use Slavers per se, their citizens are essentially serfs which is little better. T



Krogan/Imperial
Japan-
The Krogan were a militaristic race that nearly
conquered the galaxy through suicidal rush tactics no one could defend
against. The only way they were defeated was the genophage super weapon
which is a major ethical debate in the game. Japan also attempted to
conquer the world and had warriors who fought to the death to the very
end. They were only brought to their knees by the nuclear bomb at
hiroshima and nagasaki. which is now a major ethical debate. An argument could also be made that Japan industrialized too fast like the Krogan received technology too fast. Japan went from using swords to defeating Russia in a matter of fifty years which set off the Imperial era.



Volus/Switzerland-
The volus are legendary bankers who completely remove
themselves from military matters. Switzerland also is known for it's
banking and although has a military, always remains neutral. You could also use the phoencians here, who were used a middle men in the meditereanean trade network in the Ancient world.



Quarians/Gypsies-
Many of the Quarians have a Roma accent that many gypsies have. They
are accepted by no one and are forced to wander the galaxy looking for a
home world. Gypsies are accepted nowhere and have no real nation of
their own.



Protheans/Mayans- The protheans are a
long lost great civilization that seemingly vanished out of nowhere.
What is left of them is interpreted as apocalyptic prophesies. The
Mayans also seemingly just vanished and had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire. The Mayan's 2012 prophecy is the new favorite
apocalypse prediction.




It's too insulting to compare anyone to
the Vorcha lolz. Anyhow this is probably reading way to into it but just
something new to talk about. I can't come up with a feasible one for Salarians or Turians. I kinda was thinking Salarians/Britain because of their spy abilities but that is where the connection ends. Turians are like the Prussians I suppose.


Modifié par Illusivestofmen, 11 mai 2010 - 10:17 .


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what about turians and romans? but im also seeing these. on a side yet very irrelevent side note im the top student in my history class heck ive even joked with a few of my friends that I could out smart my class when it comes to history(yet im mostly humble about it)

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Wow... very interesting! That's very awesome of you. I enjoyed reading that. Turians seem like they should be... IDK actually. DaVavnguard, Romans are too brutal to be Turians.... Salarians... Nothing compares.



The only problem with the Protheans being Mayans is that the Mayans were such a bloody people and the Protheans seemed to be normal, rather nice guys. They didn't sacrafice thousands of people to their gods either.... So far as I know.

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we dont know how the protheans started off we only know the end, the turians ethic are similer to the romans but like the protheans they could have have changed.

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Very interesting to read. Thank you for that.

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I think the races are more likely inspired by medieval fantasy races:

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I've always thought the Quarians would be Israelis and the Quarian /Geth conflict is Israel/Palestine. Though technically the Geth control the land like Israel does now, I think the Quarian exodus relates to the Israelite Exodus out of Egypt.  So it takes a bit of timeline bouncing around to fit =p

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I've always thought of the Turians as somewhat reminiscent of the Prussians in the 18th and 19th century. While Bismarck and the unification might overshadow that period, don't forget the way Fredrick the Great essentially single-handedly created the modern army (with all due respect to the Parliamentarian New Model a century earlier). Discipline and respect for rank were the order of the day, inside and outside the military-- hardly surprising in a state in which 3/4s the economy was militarily based.



That sort of thing might have made their neighbors nervous (with good cause!), but there is no denying that the Napoleonic wars would have been difficult to win without Prussian aid.



BTW, I'm not German, so if any Germans wish to comment, feel free to correct this foreigner's perceptions :)

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There are certainly themes of the age of exploration and colonization within Mass Effect. The Reapers seem to act as European explorers did by wiping out whole civilizations at their whim, and enslave the protheans to do dirty work, who in turn capture humans themselves. The colonialization theme is obvious, with Cerberus worried about Prothean attacks on distant worlds by unknown threats. There are even themes of revolution in relation to the Geth's relationship to the Quarians. The Geth concept of a single minded AI seems very similar to the Jean Jacques Rousseau's concept of the general will for Revolutionary France, coupled with the fact that the Geth questioned their position in the galaxy, and questioned themselves.

I may be trying too hard to connect Mass Effect to history, but these seemed closely related.

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I see how prussians fit turians better and I agree

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The Krogan aren't really like Imperial Japan because they value survival over honor, maybe the Vorcha can be like Somalia which is just criminal gangs like the Vorcha.

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Canned Bullets wrote...

The Krogan aren't really like Imperial Japan because they value survival over honor, maybe the Vorcha can be like Somalia which is just criminal gangs like the Vorcha.


While that is true (the Krogan, I mean), they have more in common than different.  In addition to what has already been said, they were also uplifted artificially by an outside force.  The US forced Japan to open its ports in the 19th century, exposing them to the outside world (they had been stagnating before).  The main difference would be why they were uplifted, as Japan was opened to trade, the Krogan were needed as soldiers.  However, they both also grew far more rapidly than anyone could have forseen once uplifted, and threatened their whole region with ruthless expainsionism.

Also note that the Turians could also be the US (or maybe the old Soviet Union) in that they provide the defense for most of the galaxy, whether the galaxy really wants it or not.  They rely overmuch on military might to get things done, and use overwhelming force in war.  Of course, that's about where the similarities end.  And I still can't think of a good analogy for the salarians.

Being a history major myself, I approve of this thread. :wizard:

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Dude, fix you double post man. I hare wasting my time double posting because people can't be bothered to clean up their own messes. Got delete your other topics content and replace it with "double post, and link this one.

Hmm.
The USA/human analogy is a good one, but there are several other instances of similar circumstances, such as early 1900s Germany. But USA is probably the most fitting.

I don't get the Asari/France(modern or recent) thing. That really makes no sense. But since you seem to be plucking countries out of time, as opposed to their present state, I suppose you could say they are similar to France during the Renaissance.

Ancient Greece is a far better choice than Mayans for protheans. Much of great philosphers/thinksers was lost prior to the dark ages, and slowly trickled back in later, it was somewhat of a "lost" civilization who was "reborn" . But really, I don't think we know enough about the protheans at all to draw any conclusions/comparisons.

I'd say the Krogans are more similar to the Mongol empire. And I find your claim about "japan almost taking over the world" completely laughable. The A-bomb was just used to reduce the overall loss of life that would result in a direct conflict, but japan was pretty much done by the time the bombs were falling.

N. Koreans/Batarians, is another one that makes me scratch my head at your choices. The 17th century Ottoman empire is much, much better match. Also the British empire in some eras, but not nearly as good of a match as above.

I agree with what somebody else said, Prussia is a pretty good match for the Turians, as could the early-mid Roman empire(long before the Marian reforms). Prussia is probably the best match, however.

Volus = Switerzland seems pretty cheesy.I can't really think of a good match for them, so I guess I can't too much argue with it. Maybe the Hanseatic League though not truly country.

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wizardryforever wrote...

Canned Bullets wrote...

The Krogan aren't really like Imperial Japan because they value survival over honor, maybe the Vorcha can be like Somalia which is just criminal gangs like the Vorcha.


While that is true (the Krogan, I mean), they have more in common than different.  In addition to what has already been said, they were also uplifted artificially by an outside force.  The US forced Japan to open its ports in the 19th century, exposing them to the outside world (they had been stagnating before).  The main difference would be why they were uplifted, as Japan was opened to trade, the Krogan were needed as soldiers.  However, they both also grew far more rapidly than anyone could have forseen once uplifted, and threatened their whole region with ruthless expainsionism.

Also note that the Turians could also be the US (or maybe the old Soviet Union) in that they provide the defense for most of the galaxy, whether the galaxy really wants it or not.  They rely overmuch on military might to get things done, and use overwhelming force in war.  Of course, that's about where the similarities end.  And I still can't think of a good analogy for the salarians.

Being a history major myself, I approve of this thread. :wizard:



That's a really good point. Japan industrialized in a matter of decades moving from swords to one of the best militaries in the world. I really didn't have time to polish this too much, I just kind of wrote it. Lol I have enough research papers as it is. I feel pretty good about my selections except Asari/France, which I deleted. Volus/Switzerland is a bit weak too but thats a small one.

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vhatever wrote...

I'd say the Krogans are more similar to the Mongol empire. And I find your claim about "japan almost taking over the world" completely laughable. The A-bomb was just used to reduce the overall loss of life that would result in a direct conflict, but japan was pretty much done by the time the bombs were falling.

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I said "attempted to take over the world" and despite editing a few things afterwards, that was not one of them. Even if I did say that the people of the Pacific and Asia would disagree, they did to Asia and the Pacific rim what the Germans did to Europe as far as conquest. The Mongol comparison is ok but not as good as Imperial Japan because they were never defeated and there is no comparison to the genophage with their situation. They were barbarians and had a clan structure though so I'll give you that. Have no clue how you think the Ottomans or British are like Batarians, eloborate because I see no connection. I guess you could call the British finaciers for pirates due to actions in the Carribean and I guess slave traders, but that applies to the entire western world at some point. The Ottoman empire was in steep decline during this time but they had no "rogue" status. If I was going to pick one other than North Korea, it would be Iran due to the more tangible instances of backing terrorism. Ancient Greece is also not a better choice simply because there is nothing unknown about Ancient Greece. Herodotus and Thucydides can tell you all about it.

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Judging from certain game elements the turians are roughly based on the Romans (the name turian itself coming from centurion, worlds with names such as invictus, a strong military code, genral spetimus etc.) while the asari are modeled after the ancient Greeks (a loose confederacy of city states, a highly developed culture, names that often sound like greek deities or places...)



I don't think Salarians are based on actual nations, although Japan would be a likely inspiration due to their focus on technology. 3 is a balanced number often used in game design : usually major characters or in this case major alien civs usually come in threes to ensure diversity -> one civ usually has to be aggressive, one friendly and one neutral or somewhat between the two. salarians are a plot device : linking them to existing civs is probably flawed, but hey who knows what the developers thought?



Quarians are like you said oviously based on the Roma people, right down to the accent. As for batarians, well any isolated country with a radically different culture from the rest of the world would fit. Vorcha and Krogans are too different from other species to accurately depict existing civs. Volus, switzerland, yeah works well! or maybe etruscans since they were dominated by romans.



I totally agree with Protheans/Mayan thing... event their architecture is somewhat similar. As for humans/US well I would never have thought of it but it makes perfect sense! Besides the alliance seems primarily composed of American personnel in what is probably an effort to cater to what Bioware thinks is the real "community" :P



All in all the hints are fairly obvious but actual resemblances between real civilizations and mass effect ones are rather vague and are more like general guidelines. Like I said, most species are engineered to provide artificial diversity : in RPGs you always need a merchant people like the volus, a feminine elfic civ like the asari, a bunch of strong warrior types etc. The aliens are mostly stereotypes.




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And thats why I like Turians so much. I love Roman history

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Hellebore5000 wrote...

I've always thought the Quarians would be Israelis and the Quarian /Geth conflict is Israel/Palestine. Though technically the Geth control the land like Israel does now, I think the Quarian exodus relates to the Israelite Exodus out of Egypt.  So it takes a bit of timeline bouncing around to fit =p


If this were the case then the palestinian islamic terrorists lobbying rockets filled with ball bearings into Israel are the Vorcha. They need to be exterminated.

We found out who the VOrcha are at least.  Good one.

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Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

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if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?

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I'm also a huge history buff, and I would say that the Turians combined the best of both the German/Prussian military with the Romans. They have the military training of both, the technologic advantage of both, and the rigid military structures of both.

As for the Vorcha, if you compare the Krogan to Imperial Japan, unfortunately the Vorcha would be China, at least in the early 20th century, Japan dominated China for a brief period, so it would make sense. Also at that time China was far less advanced than many of the other large countries of the time.

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DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?


The Cub Scouts of  America?

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DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?


cerberus is the illuminati

KKK is too underfunded, and run by random white redneck trash

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Masticetobbacco wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?


cerberus is the illuminati

KKK is too underfunded, and run by random white redneck trash



True, the modern KKK is random kookiness now.  But when it was founded back in the day it had an amazing amount of support.  If I remember correctly the founders were a small group of influential business men, think they went to the same college, when they started it was intially purely a social fraternity.

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Masticetobbacco wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?


cerberus is the illuminati

KKK is too underfunded, and run by random white redneck trash


This is a comparison thread between ME 2 and world history. Not fantasy made up nonsense jibberish like the Illuminati.   Posted Image