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[mosor]

I think only a few races have more earth nation like connections. I think other races generally represent the extremes of human tendencies while humans represent the middle of all of them.

Asari- Mostly talk, and consensus building, weak on martial or concrete action. That and various asari republics being united in one overall government, kinda reminds me of the modern EU.

Korgan- Reminds me of your old central Asian tribes. Brutal, martial, clannish but need a strong leader to be a threat or a factor in galactic politics.

Turians represent human characteristics of discipline and respect for civil service taken to the extreme. The closest example would be pre-WW2 germany.

Batarians- Represent the human trait in subjugating others for their own benefit. Kinda like old aristocratic southern planters who used slavery for their own economic gain. Geopolitically they're the soviet counterpart to the human americans with their rivalry and their gulags.

Salarians have the technocratic human traits taken to the extreme. It's hard to put an exact human nation representation on them. Probably the brits, who excelled at divide and conquor strategy and giving less technologically advanced societies modern weapons for their own benefit. The STG plays a lot like the british SAS.

Volus represent human materialism take to the extreme. They are more akin to commercial states like Hong Kong who are freewheeling and capitalistic but need a powerful protector like britian or china.

What makes the humans destined to dominance is that generally they have all these traits rolled into one. They are not just varied genetically, but socially as well.

Modifié par mosor, 09 mai 2010 - 04:39 .

[Relix28]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?

cerberus is the illuminati

KKK is too underfunded, and run by random white redneck trash

I see Cerberus as a covert inteligence agency for Systems Alliance, and also an "extremist" organization that can take the blame for everything that Systems Alliance can't. Example: if Systems Alliance needs to deny involvement in some shady operation gone bad, they can blame the whole thing on Cerberus. Kinda like the CIA and Al-Queda at the same time.

As for the System Alliance, I see them as a union of human governments, military's and corporations. Something like the European Union or NATO, but on a global scale.
Also I approve of this topic. Very interesting reads and discussions.

Modifié par Relix28, 09 mai 2010 - 06:18 .

[Illusivestofmen]

CherryColaLola wrote...

Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

Meh despite being xenophobes to the core cerberus is not a batch of idiot racists. They are kind of like a black ops intelligence network, I can't really even begin to guess who they are like. I think an organization like Cerberus exists but we simply do not know it exists. They have some elements of the military industrial complex and  the **** SS, but I don't feel confident enough about the selection to put that up there. I think their actions in ME3 will really bring to light what their intentions are. If they use the reapers to exterminate and enslave all the other races, they are very comparable to the **** SS.

[Illusivestofmen]

Ugh apparently you can't say N--azi which is really stupid.

[rplong]

Illusivestofmen wrote...

The Mayans ... had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire.

Really?.......hmmm......No wheel, limited trade, small land area...maybe they dominated the Yucatan....but who cares, you could have done that with a stick.

In any case, all races/civilizations/factions/teams, in every form of fiction, have some correlation with historical or modern groups.  Comparison to a specific group such as Batarians to North Koreans is a little ridiculous.  You could compare the Batarians to any terrorist/seperatist/"rogue" group.  Why must we always find parallels with fiction and reality.  Can't we just enjoy the Mass Effect universe that was created instead of trying to somehow compare it to our own?

If we must compare it to anything I'll have to agree with Mosor that it simply reflects the extremes of human emotion and ideology.

Modifié par rplong, 09 mai 2010 - 08:56 .

[Illusivestofmen]

rplong wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

The Mayans ... had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire.

Really?.......hmmm......No wheel, limited trade, small land area...maybe they dominated the Yucatan....but who cares, you could have done that with a stick.

In any case, all races/civilizations/factions/teams, in every form of fiction, have some correlation with historical or modern groups.  Comparison to a specific group such as Batarians to North Koreans is a little ridiculous.  You could compare the Batarians to any terrorist/seperatist/"rogue" group.  Why must we always find parallels with fiction and reality.  Can't we just enjoy the Mass Effect universe that was created instead of trying to somehow compare it to our own?

If we must compare it to anything I'll have to agree with Mosor that it simply reflects the extremes of human emotion and ideology.

They had the wheel, invented the concept of the zero in mathmatics and they dominated about half of MesoAmerica so you are understating their accomplishments. What they didn't have however, is a efficent writing system which makes them seem primitive. You can't simply compare the batarians to any terrorist group either because the batarians have a government and homeworld, unlike the Taliban or Al-Queda which currently is supported by no government and controls no nation. But yes there are many examples that could fit but the fact North Koreas allow no one to leave their homelanf and use mass amounts of propoganda trumps it for me, Iran would work too I think. Anyhow all of this is just for fun, if you don't want to compare fiction to reality then don't but any good writer is inspired by reality in his or her fiction, otherwise it comes off as non-sense.

Modifié par Illusivestofmen, 10 mai 2010 - 12:19 .

[rplong]

Okay...you win

[Masticetobbacco]

Illusivestofmen wrote...

rplong wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

The Mayans ... had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire.

Really?.......hmmm......No wheel, limited trade, small land area...maybe they dominated the Yucatan....but who cares, you could have done that with a stick.

In any case, all races/civilizations/factions/teams, in every form of fiction, have some correlation with historical or modern groups.  Comparison to a specific group such as Batarians to North Koreans is a little ridiculous.  You could compare the Batarians to any terrorist/seperatist/"rogue" group.  Why must we always find parallels with fiction and reality.  Can't we just enjoy the Mass Effect universe that was created instead of trying to somehow compare it to our own?

If we must compare it to anything I'll have to agree with Mosor that it simply reflects the extremes of human emotion and ideology.

They had the wheel, invented the concept of the zero in mathmatics and they dominated about half of MesoAmerica so you are understating their accomplishments. What they didn't have however, is a efficent writing system which makes them seem primitive. .

the mayans also had batteries, aircraft, helicopters, laser canons, and piloted walkers all made out of stone

[wizardryforever]

Masticetobbacco wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

rplong wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

The Mayans ... had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire.

Really?.......hmmm......No wheel, limited trade, small land area...maybe they dominated the Yucatan....but who cares, you could have done that with a stick.

In any case, all races/civilizations/factions/teams, in every form of fiction, have some correlation with historical or modern groups.  Comparison to a specific group such as Batarians to North Koreans is a little ridiculous.  You could compare the Batarians to any terrorist/seperatist/"rogue" group.  Why must we always find parallels with fiction and reality.  Can't we just enjoy the Mass Effect universe that was created instead of trying to somehow compare it to our own?

If we must compare it to anything I'll have to agree with Mosor that it simply reflects the extremes of human emotion and ideology.

They had the wheel, invented the concept of the zero in mathmatics and they dominated about half of MesoAmerica so you are understating their accomplishments. What they didn't have however, is a efficent writing system which makes them seem primitive. .

the mayans also had batteries, aircraft, helicopters, laser canons, and piloted walkers all made out of stone

What have you been smoking?

[Masticetobbacco]

wizardryforever wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

rplong wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

The Mayans ... had a society equal to that of
the Roman empire.

Really?.......hmmm......No wheel, limited trade, small land area...maybe they dominated the Yucatan....but who cares, you could have done that with a stick.

In any case, all races/civilizations/factions/teams, in every form of fiction, have some correlation with historical or modern groups.  Comparison to a specific group such as Batarians to North Koreans is a little ridiculous.  You could compare the Batarians to any terrorist/seperatist/"rogue" group.  Why must we always find parallels with fiction and reality.  Can't we just enjoy the Mass Effect universe that was created instead of trying to somehow compare it to our own?

If we must compare it to anything I'll have to agree with Mosor that it simply reflects the extremes of human emotion and ideology.

They had the wheel, invented the concept of the zero in mathmatics and they dominated about half of MesoAmerica so you are understating their accomplishments. What they didn't have however, is a efficent writing system which makes them seem primitive. .

the mayans also had batteries, aircraft, helicopters, laser canons, and piloted walkers all made out of stone

What have you been smoking?

srs fckin business. Mayan hieroglyphs have pictures of aircraft and helicopters.

[CherryColaLola]

Illusivestofmen wrote...

CherryColaLola wrote...

Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

Meh despite being xenophobes to the core cerberus is not a batch of idiot racists. They are kind of like a black ops intelligence network, I can't really even begin to guess who they are like. I think an organization like Cerberus exists but we simply do not know it exists. They have some elements of the military industrial complex and  the **** SS, but I don't feel confident enough about the selection to put that up there. I think their actions in ME3 will really bring to light what their intentions are. If they use the reapers to exterminate and enslave all the other races, they are very comparable to the **** SS.

Point taken no doubt.  Kinda funny how this is supposed to be a mature rated game and yet the forums for said mature game are censored out the arse. 

[wizardryforever]

CherryColaLola wrote...

Illusivestofmen wrote...

CherryColaLola wrote...

Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

Meh despite being xenophobes to the core cerberus is not a batch of idiot racists. They are kind of like a black ops intelligence network, I can't really even begin to guess who they are like. I think an organization like Cerberus exists but we simply do not know it exists. They have some elements of the military industrial complex and  the **** SS, but I don't feel confident enough about the selection to put that up there. I think their actions in ME3 will really bring to light what their intentions are. If they use the reapers to exterminate and enslave all the other races, they are very comparable to the **** SS.

Point taken no doubt.  Kinda funny how this is supposed to be a mature rated game and yet the forums for said mature game are censored out the arse. 

Probably because the game is more mature than many of the gamers.  Have you seen some of the actual (non-troll) topics on this board?

[Illusivestofmen]

I think the game needs to be more mature really. I thought it was really lame they had to water down the sex scenes just because Fox news had a tantrum over it in ME1. I mean has anybody ever played Heavy Rain? I have my complaints about the game but it has one of the most tasteful and realistic sex scenes in any media. Why can't Mass Effect do that? Video games should have the same poetic license as movies...oh well getting of topic.

[CherryColaLola]

^^^QFT

[abstractwhiz]

CherryColaLola wrote...

Hellebore5000 wrote...

I've always thought the Quarians would be Israelis and the Quarian /Geth conflict is Israel/Palestine. Though technically the Geth control the land like Israel does now, I think the Quarian exodus relates to the Israelite Exodus out of Egypt.  So it takes a bit of timeline bouncing around to fit =p

If this were the case then the palestinian islamic terrorists lobbying rockets filled with ball bearings into Israel are the Vorcha. They need to be exterminated.

We found out who the VOrcha are at least.  Good one.

I always thought the Vorcha were football hooligans. 

I'll vote for Turians = Prussians - that fits in very nicely. Some Roman influence was probably intended - their names are vaguely Latinate, and the name 'Turian' was inspired by the word 'centurion'. 

I think Krogans are closest to the Huns. Brutal, sadistic, powerful warriors, obsessed with strength, power and war. The Mongols come to mind too, but their highly maneuverable style of horseback archery is way too effete for Krogans. They're the kind of fighters who want to get up close and personal.

[CherryColaLola]

/Bump for thread awesomness.

[Xanthor]

Awesome thread. I honestly enjoyed reading that

[Illusivestofmen]

Pr0diigY wrote...

That was a very cool post OP. But wouldn't the Krogan be more like ancient Sparta?, because of their warrior-like culture and the Salarians as Japan, becuase of their advance tech?.

Sparta is a very good fit, but the thing that really always gets the Imperial Japan match for me is the genophage. I mean the genophage is so similar to the A-bomb in terms of the debate sparked over it's usage. As Mordin says not using the genophage would have led to massive deaths on both sides, much like not using the A-bomb would have led to many more U.S. and Japanese casualties. Sparta fits better in some ways in that they were amazing soldiers and cared about nothing else but military affairs. We could also use the Peloponnesian War  here with the Krogan wars. \\ Sparta was key to defeating the Persians, much like the Krogan were key to defeating the Rachni. Yet only a century later the Spartans were at war with their former allies, Athens, much like the Krogan were at war with their allies.

I really can't find a decent one for Salarians...I need advanced tech, logical intellectualism, and espionage. Souds like China at some point but there are so many dynasties I can't pin point it. I want to say Song Dynasty...will do research.

[Senenzon]

I could never imagine shepard being an american!

[DaVanguard]

this is a good thread

[xI extremist Ix]

I would say that the Protheans are more like the Olmec, the Mayan people are still here today. The only thing is they left their cities. Turians aren't like the Roman Empire. They didn't colonize their enemies and force them into the army. They don't really have a centralized government as they rule through hierarchys. The Volus could also be the Nation of Luxembourg as they too are a financial capital in the world.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Krogans are clearly relative to Middle Eastern extremists, or maybe frantic Asian extremists too.

I think the Volus are more like the EU (in a unified financial sense)

The Asari are like the alien form of ancient Greeks forming democracy and republics. They're more like Athenians, Arcadians, and Amazonian (for being all female).
The Turians are like the more aggressive yet still diplomatic version of the Asari, but as a gendering counter part (being male. males are naturally more aggressive than females). They're like Sparta (aggressor in Greece/more prone for aggressive militarism), and a space age Roman Empire (being diplomatic and democratic agreeing to a Senate/Council/Alliance).

The Salarians are like a fast pace Technocratic race filled with quick brilliant minds. They're like a entire race of hardcore nerds. They'd be more like the modern age technological societies who aren't hostile yet technologically inclined (like japan, s. korea, singapore, america, europe, etc).

The Bartarians are like crazed Middle Easterners who're bitter using their beliefs against other species as their motives as to being hostile.

The Hanar are like highly intellectual Buddhists, Hindu-ists, Jews and Christians or something who're overly polite, overly articulated, and overly calm.

The Elcor are like elegantly polite overweight people, who talk like Egor.

Humans represent the ideal of further progression into the future. Trying to improve onto the idea of humanity and xenopolitics working together flawlessly. Hence being funded by the Council to create the SR1, which is both human and turian technology combined. I think the turians are the ones who knew hot to use the FTL relays, and humans likely fashioned their SR ships to resemble a turian cruiser, yet faster and stealthier. Should have the Asari & salarians design the interior/systems of the next SR3.

The Protheans are like the idea of pioneers and forefathers or something. People inventing things or founding something where as in some future time is utilized by others as a important aspect of their era in civilization. Kind of like Edison creating the lightbulb (which is very important and basic in modern day age), yet before him benjamin franklin discovered electricity, or how enstein composed the theory of relativity; e=mc2, or washington establishing America as a governing democratic nation and as of how Lincoln stand for modern day freedom, liberty, and unity.  They're like a representation of every key element in history that plays a major role as to why the modern age exist.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 10 mai 2010 - 11:49 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

vhatever wrote...


Dude, fix you double post man. I hare wasting my time double posting because people can't be bothered to clean up their own messes. Got delete your other topics content and replace it with "double post, and link this one.

Hmm.
The USA/human analogy is a good one, but there are several other instances of similar circumstances, such as early 1900s Germany. But USA is probably the most fitting.

I don't get the Asari/France(modern or recent) thing. That really makes no sense. But since you seem to be plucking countries out of time, as opposed to their present state, I suppose you could say they are similar to France during the Renaissance.

Ancient Greece is a far better choice than Mayans for protheans. Much of great philosphers/thinksers was lost prior to the dark ages, and slowly trickled back in later, it was somewhat of a "lost" civilization who was "reborn" . But really, I don't think we know enough about the protheans at all to draw any conclusions/comparisons.

I'd say the Krogans are more similar to the Mongol empire. And I find your claim about "japan almost taking over the world" completely laughable. The A-bomb was just used to reduce the overall loss of life that would result in a direct conflict, but japan was pretty much done by the time the bombs were falling.

N. Koreans/Batarians, is another one that makes me scratch my head at your choices. The 17th century Ottoman empire is much, much better match. Also the British empire in some eras, but not nearly as good of a match as above.

I agree with what somebody else said, Prussia is a pretty good match for the Turians, as could the early-mid Roman empire(long before the Marian reforms). Prussia is probably the best match, however.

Volus = Switerzland seems pretty cheesy.I can't really think of a good match for them, so I guess I can't too much argue with it. Maybe the Hanseatic League though not truly country.

the game is international, in different languages for different countries. what if someone in their native language thought, "hey Sheppard's a german.", "sheppard's a greek", or "Sheppard's a Spaniard"? 

and how the hell does the idea of a overly aggressive war hungry krogan vs. a relaxed progressive technological japanese civilization somehow relate? I think relating the idea of krogans to crazy middle easterners make logical sense.

I think the Vocha are like the North Koreans, and the Bartarians are like angry middle easterners blaming their life problems on all the other races.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

CherryColaLola wrote...

Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

KKK or alleged mystical orders of diabolical domination.

it could be the idea of agencies, mystical orders, and mercenary fronts.