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[praetor_alpha]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

I would say that the Protheans are more like the Olmec, the Mayan people are still here today. The only thing is they left their cities. Turians aren't like the Roman Empire. They didn't colonize their enemies and force them into the army. They don't really have a centralized government as they rule through hierarchys. The Volus could also be the Nation of Luxembourg as they too are a financial capital in the world.

Actually the Romans did. The deal was  pay taxes, give soldiers, we will protect you. How else could they have had that big of an empire? If everyone in Rome left to join the legions, who would be left behind to govern?

I was thinking that humans and turians (although modeled after Rome) were more like America and modern China, given what the codex said about a war between the two would destroy pretty much everything. After reading this thread, I'm not so sure...

Modifié par praetor_alpha, 10 mai 2010 - 11:55 .

[Hellebore5000]

Senenzon wrote...

I could never imagine shepard being an american!

Yeah, especially in ME1, he is so Canadian !

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Hellebore5000 wrote...

Senenzon wrote...

I could never imagine shepard being an american!

Yeah, especially in ME1, he is so Canadian !

he's modeled after a austrian or german model. 

well Mark Meer's canadian (Sheppard's voice). so eh, you're right. Mark Meer looks like a pre-pubescent Johnny Depp.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 11 mai 2010 - 04:18 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Hmmm, I see how Turians resemble Prussians too but for me they are clearly inspired by the romans. Look at their names too: "Saren Arterius", "Garrus Vakarian"...

[FuturePasTimeCE]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Hmmm, I see how Turians resemble Prussians too but for me they are clearly inspired by the romans. Look at their names too: "Saren Arterius", "Garrus Vakarian"...

and their personified imperialistic demeanor towards the presence of humans, as would romans do to other governing factions of ancient earth (greece, egypt, persia, etc) 

[m00nsh1ne]

I'm not entirely sure the creators were trying to create species based upon geographical locations, nations, or timelines. They were simply creating caricatures that fell in line with the "world" they were trying to create. And it was by seeing these caricatures that you made your own observations and diagnosis about and came up with your own parallels.



I'm not saying they didn't use anything from the real world to base the species upon, but it is more realistic that they used a variety of different things for each species. It could also be simply that they had a base idea and brainstormed everything else about the species. This was probably a group discussion on the creation of these species and I'm sure ideas for them arose from every conceivable point of origin.



Regardless it was great how you came up with these observations and as a fellow History Major Graduate I applaud your thesis and analysis.

[kraze07]

Hellebore5000 wrote...

Senenzon wrote...

I could never imagine shepard being an american!

Yeah, especially in ME1, he is so Canadian !

Unless your talking about a French Canadian, is there really a difference?

[CherryColaLola]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

CherryColaLola wrote...

Truly an awesome OP, really enjoyed it.  Ever make the connection between Cerberus and the KKK?  Think about it.  Instead of fighting for white power they are fighting for human power. Both organizations have a questionable past checkered with violence and terrorism.

And finally the greatest  similarity is Cerberus is referred to as the Illusive Empire while the KKK was also known as the Invisible Empire.  Food for thought. 

KKK or alleged mystical orders of diabolical domination.

it could be the idea of agencies, mystical orders, and mercenary fronts.

Excellent point.  It's fun to speculate where the writers drew upon history to create the ME universe. 

[CherryColaLola]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

Hellebore5000 wrote...

Senenzon wrote...

I could never imagine shepard being an american!

Yeah, especially in ME1, he is so Canadian !

he's modeled after a austrian or german model. 

well Mark Meer's canadian (Sheppard's voice). so eh, you're right. Mark Meer looks like a pre-pubescent Johnny Depp.

I knew there was something weird about male shepard but I couldn't put my finger on it.  It's all falling into place, like just after talking to the illusive man shep says, "It's ABOOT time we hit the collectors where they live."

I figured my male shep had eaten some of the food on the Hugo Gurnsback mission and my his mind was degenerating making him sound stupid.  Now I know it's just because he's Canadian. 

[Illusivestofmen]

m00nsh1ne wrote...

I'm not entirely sure the creators were trying to create species based upon geographical locations, nations, or timelines. They were simply creating caricatures that fell in line with the "world" they were trying to create. And it was by seeing these caricatures that you made your own observations and diagnosis about and came up with your own parallels.

I'm not saying they didn't use anything from the real world to base the species upon, but it is more realistic that they used a variety of different things for each species. It could also be simply that they had a base idea and brainstormed everything else about the species. This was probably a group discussion on the creation of these species and I'm sure ideas for them arose from every conceivable point of origin.

Regardless it was great how you came up with these observations and as a fellow History Major Graduate I applaud your thesis and analysis.

Yeah I don't want to come off like I think this is EXACTLY how they made these characters. When you come up with an idea very often you do base it on non-fiction quite a bit, but then you work it and re-work it and tweek it and by the end it looks nothing like what you started.

I think alot of these races are a blend of several real world cultures combined with orginal ideas. Really this is just for fun, drawing similarities between history and ME, whether they were intended or not I have no clue, probably not. But it's fun to combine my history nerd side with my video game nerd side which creates some sort of uber nerd that borders on a super hero .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Very interesting and thoughtout. It actually makes me wonder whether BioWare did that on purpose.

[joeYF127]

CherryColaLola wrote...

Masticetobbacco wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...

if cerberus = kkk then what would the Systems alliance be?

cerberus is the illuminati

KKK is too underfunded, and run by random white redneck trash

This is a comparison thread between ME 2 and world history. Not fantasy made up nonsense jibberish like the Illuminati.  

the illuminati is real weather or not they are who the consparicy theorists say they are is another story as fo the quarians yes i deffenitly see the iseral/ palistine thing, (and the enviro suits look like birquas) also i aggree with the turians= russia thing. but i also think that one could compare the batarians to iran.  

[Schecter1288]

DaVanguard wrote...

what about turians and romans? but im also seeing these. on a side yet very irrelevent side note im the top student in my history class heck ive even joked with a few of my friends that I could out smart my class when it comes to history(yet im mostly humble about it)

Good thing you were humble, the turians are nothing like the Romans.

Krogan would probably mix well with sparta, you must be a soldier and a warrior to show your self worth. The breeding is also very selective. War is a big part of their culture, however it lacks the same formal training you saw with sparta.

The Asari would be more along the lines of Olympians, wise and timeless philosophers we still ponder today. Men would go under tuteladge of famous philosophers and learn then expand upon that. They met in an open forum and discussed various issues and ways of thinking. They pioneered much of the "logic structure" when it comes to debates that we still use today.

[wolfennights]

Very interesting. Wonder if someone could find some similarities between the volus, elcor, and drell. (and maybe the rachni/geth)

[BancsBubbl3]

To be honest, If we were to compare Earth history to the Mass Effect universe, Humans wouldn't nessesarily have to be Americans. Although America is possibly known as "one of the most diverse Nations on Earth", it doesn't really meet the "criteria", per say.

Looking back at history, the English clearly wanted to expand their land and territory, so they left their homeland to explore. Yada yada yada, they sail around, advancing their, so called, "technology" and then BAM! They discover a whole new continent, now called Australia. They settle in and, in a way, "take over" the country and brush off the previous inhabitants. Several years later, they finally create a system that works for both new and old citizens.

Now if we look at the Mass Effect universe and compare them, we can see that the Humans would be the English and the "previous inhabitants" would be all the Mass Effect alien races and species. Obviously, Australia would be space territory, the Citadel, etc...

My personal opinion is that the Humans living in space, a.k.a spacers, would be "Australians" - a whole community of multicultural people - whereas when they first arrived they were the English. Make sense?

Agree with me or disagree, that is my opinion.

Modifié par BancsBubbl3, 24 août 2011 - 02:41 .

[Black Raptor]

BancsBubbl3 wrote...

To be honest, If we were to compare Earth history to the Mass Effect universe, Humans wouldn't nessesarily have to be Americans. Although America is possibly known as "one of the most diverse Nations on Earth", it doesn't really meet the "criteria", per say.

Looking back at history, the English clearly wanted to expand their land and territory, so they left their homeland to explore. Yada yada yada, they sail around, advancing their, so called, "technology" and then BAM! They discover a whole new continent, now called Australia. They settle in and, in a way, "take over" the country and brush off the previous inhabitants. Several years later, they finally create a system that works for both new and old citizens.

Now if we look at the Mass Effect universe and compare them, we can see that the Humans would be the English and the "previous inhabitants" would be all the Mass Effect alien races and species. Obviously, Australia would be space territory, the Citadel, etc...

My personal opinion is that the Humans living in space, a.k.a spacers, would be "Australians" - a whole community of multicultural people - whereas when they first arrived they were the English. Make sense?

Agree with me or disagree, that is my opinion.

But the Citadel and the rest of space was colonised by more advanced aliens. Australia was inhabited by a stone age civilisation and was merely a place we dumped our criminals.

It would be far better to compare it to any of the other places colonised by the British Empire. Places like India and China, who actually had something before the British arrived.

Although some events seem to reflect Earth history, it's fair to say most of ME takes its ideas from other Sci-fi. Extinct alien races and ancient galactic threats are nothing new, and the Quarians and Geth is practically lifted straight from the premise of Battlestar Galactica.  

  

[BancsBubbl3]

I never said anyone was wrong, only that, from looking at the big picture, Americans would not necessarily represent the whole of humanity. The history of the English settlement is Australia is more fitting to the storyline of Mass Effect than another civilization. To me, at least.

You have a fair point, though.

[BancsBubbl3]

I never said anyone was wrong, only that, from looking at the big picture, Americans would not necessarily represent the whole of humanity. The history of the English settlement is Australia is more fitting to the storyline of Mass Effect than another civilization. To me, at least.

You have a fair point, though.

[Black Raptor]

BancsBubbl3 wrote...

I never said anyone was wrong, only that, from looking at the big picture, Americans would not necessarily represent the whole of humanity. The history of the English settlement is Australia is more fitting to the storyline of Mass Effect than another civilization. To me, at least.

But Australia was practically empty with no advanced civilisations. The British came and practically purged the old way of life and reshaped the continent.

India had it's own civilisation, and lived more or less side by side with the British when they came with a few scuffles, and is therefore much more like Mass Effect.

However, Britain was, at the time, the most advanced nation in the world. Humanity is not the most advanced or largest in ME so it can't really be compared to any historical event.

 

[BancsBubbl3]

I know the history of Australian Settlement, you don't need to repeat it. And I repeat, I never said anyone was wrong.

However, if I word my previous statement differently, I only meant that the English came, changed several things, and Australia is now one of, if not the most, muticultural continents on Earth. Much like the Human inhabitants in Mass Effect.

Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but it took several years to get Australia to say sorry to the Aboriginals. Don't insult them now by saying that they weren't a civilisation. Australia was inhabited greatly by them.

[Black Raptor]

BancsBubbl3 wrote...

I know the history of Australian Settlement, you don't need to repeat it. And I repeat, I never said anyone was wrong.

However, if I word my previous statement differently, I only meant that the English came, changed several things, and Australia is now one of, if not the most, muticultural continents on Earth. Much like the Human inhabitants in Mass Effect.

Also, please don't take this the wrong way, but it took several years to get Australia to say sorry to the Aboriginals. Don't insult them now by saying that they weren't a civilisation. Australia was inhabited greatly by them.

And I'm saying India would've been a better example. Everywhere humans have inhabited has been changed. The same goes for America and every other European colony. 

Also, I never said they weren't a civilisation, they just not a very advanced one (still using stone tools). In Mass effect, the whole idea is that the aliens are smarter than us.

Modifié par Black Raptor, 25 août 2011 - 08:34 .

[sorentoft]

I have to say that I do think the extreme parts of human behaviour to be a better comparison than nations. Hell the comparison to nations is even a little insulting.

[BancsBubbl3]

I know that they were smarter than us, otherwise they clearly wouldn't be living in space.

I just voiced an opinion. I wasn't saying it was right.