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"By Seth Borenstein, The Associated Press
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Cosmologist Stephen Hawking says it is too risky to try to talk to
space aliens.

Oops. Too late.

NASA and others already have beamed several messages into deep space,
trying to phone extraterrestrials.

The U.S. space agency, which two years ago broadcast the Beatles song
"Across the Universe" into the cosmos, on Wednesday discussed its
latest search strategy for life beyond Earth.

"The search for life is really central to what we should be doing
next in the exploration of the solar system," said Cornell University
planetary scientist Steve Squyres, chairman of a special National
Academy of Sciences panel advising NASA on future missions.

The academy panel is looking at 28 possible missions, from Mars to
the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. And NASA is focused mostly on looking
for simple life like bacteria in Earth's solar system rather than
fretting about potential alien overlords coming here.

Just days ago, Hawking said on his new TV show that a visit by
extraterrestrials to Earth would be like Christopher Columbus arriving
in the Americas, "which didn't turn out very well for the Native
Americans."

The famous British physicist speculated that while most
extraterrestrial life will be similar to microbes, advanced life forms
would likely be "nomads, looking to conquer and colonize."

The comment reinvigorated a three-year debate roiling behind the
scenes in the small community of astronomers who look for
extraterrestrial life, said Seth Shostak, a senior astronomer at the
SETI Institute, which looks for aliens. Should astronomers ban
purposeful messages into the universe for fear of attracting dangerous
aliens?

Shostak maintains it really does not matter, saying that approach is
unnecessarily fearful.

While some people think broadcasting into the universe is "like
shouting in a jungle, not necessarily a good idea," Shostak asked, "Are
we to forever hide under a rock? That to me seems like no way to live."

There is a big difference of opinion in astronomy about the issue,
said Mary Voytek, a senior astrobiology scientist at NASA headquarters.

"We're prepared to make discoveries of any type of life, of any
form," Voytek said in a NASA teleconference. Much of the search for
intelligent life is privately funded, by groups like SETI, she said.

About 20 years ago, NASA held a conference on this issue. Back then,
most of the experts were worried about attracting the wrong type of
aliens, said Christopher Kraft, the former NASA Johnson Space Center
director who created Mission Control.

But Kraft, a NASA legend who received a lifetime achievement award
Wednesday from the Smithsonian Institution, said he would welcome
aliens. "I might just learn something," he said.

The SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, takes a passive
approach, listening for any signals from aliens.

For more than a quarter of a century, however, various groups have
been purposely sending out signals to other worlds. The most famous was a
three-minute broadcast from the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico in
1974, Shostak said.


The Canadians made a series of broadcasts using a Ukrainian antenna in
the 1990s. The now-defunct Team Encounter of Houston and a prominent
Russian astronomer made public and distinct "cosmic calls" out to the
universe, including one just from teenagers.


NASA beamed "Across the Universe" to the star Polaris in 2008 to promote
the space agency's 50th anniversary, the 45th anniversary of the Deep
Space Network and the 40th anniversary of the Beatles song. And the same
year, as part of the publicity for the remake of "The Day the Earth
Stood Still," the movie was broadcast to the stars, Shostak said.


Four NASA deep space probes — Pioneer 10 and 11 and Voyager 1 and 2 —
carry plaques and recordings that say hello from Earth and give
directions on how to get here. Those probes launched in the 1970s are at
the edges of the solar system.


And that is on top of the broadcasts Earth inadvertently sends into the
cosmos as part of daily life: radio and TV signals, airport and other
radar communications.


"That horse left the barn a long time ago," Squyres said, speaking from
an astrobiology conference in Houston. "Whether you do it intentionally
or not, the signals are out there."


Massachusetts Institute of Technology planetary scientist Sara Seager
does not think much of the broadcasts to space, because so far they are
pointed at random, not toward potential Earth-like planets.


"We wouldn't even know where to send our message, it's so vast out
there," Seager said. That will change in a few years when new telescopes
will be able to find terrestrial planets that could support life.


Even then, Seager said any aliens coming to Earth probably would be so
advanced they would not need to hear our message to find us. It would
not be like Columbus stumbling upon on the New World, she said.


"If they have the capability to come here, they're probably to us as we
are to ants on Manhattan," said former NASA sciences chief Alan Stern.


The closest any aliens could be is a few tens of light years away. With
one light year equaling about 5.9 trillion miles, that means it would
take them generations to get here travelling at the speed of light,
Shostak said. And even that would be unlikely, he added.


Frank Drake, who did the first modern experiment looking for
extraterrestrial intelligence, estimated there are about 10,000
intelligent civilizations in the universe, while the late Carl Sagan
figured it was closer to a million, Shostak said.


Given how big the universe is, our nearest intelligent neighbour is more
likely about 5,900 trillion miles away, he said.


"God has nicely buffered us," he said."

Your thoughts?

Modifié par Colesslawz, 02 mai 2010 - 05:27 .


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I suppose the problem is we have absolutely no certain way of knowing how other life might have evolved, developed or changed.



I love Hawking, but I believe he is basing this on his understanding of Human beings, which makes a very biased opinion.



If a race of intelligent beings developed on a world of abundant food sources, pleasant climate etc. What's to say that they would have developed as a very peaceful and enlightened race.



Once again, it's impossible to know what life might be like out there, as everything we possibly know has the potential to be possibly wrong, no matter how certain we are about it now.



Regardless, I imagine due to our aggressive nature and desire for power, we would probably be the alien race- wait I've got it.



The humans said to the radio, "We have to defend against the evil aliens invading us"

"No," said the radio, "You are the evil aliens."

And all humans were invading monsters.

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So? What is done is done. We allready advertised our location long before we had any idea of what we were doing.

Now is there some point you want to discuss... or are you just posting a wall of text?



Why ask for others thoughts if you will not post yours or your opinion?

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@Icinix That sure makes me think

@addiction21 Truthfully, after reading into this. I read that the "aliens" would be looking for energy resource because they have none left on their planet.... I believe its the plot to the movie District 8... Thats my opinion.:alien:

Modifié par Colesslawz, 02 mai 2010 - 05:44 .


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Negative:

Can't get any worse than it with aliens. We are already the destructors of our world.

Too smart for our own good.

Realizing that aliens would either exterminate us Posted Image (positive) or teach us

Or, best case scenario

Maybe they all evoloved into hot women(humans or very close not blue people) that have no men and have found our planet for those purposes...

My ideas. woo


I have some creativity today surprising really.  Posted Image

Modifié par Levi28001, 02 mai 2010 - 05:51 .


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All the aliens will need to do is look at our internet for proof they need to destroy us.

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Onyx Jaguar

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And them coming to destroy us is all the proof we need to destroy them.



this IS sounding like a movie

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They have tech to get here, but we have a chance to destory these advanced beings???

How could we kill them... hmm,

Maybe send this guy onboard the mothership!
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Before we get this
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thats very ugly.....very!

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Icinix wrote...

I suppose the problem is we have absolutely no certain way of knowing how other life might have evolved, developed or changed.

I love Hawking, but I believe he is basing this on his understanding of Human beings, which makes a very biased opinion.

If a race of intelligent beings developed on a world of abundant food sources, pleasant climate etc. What's to say that they would have developed as a very peaceful and enlightened race.


While I agree that we don't have any way of knowing how other life has evolved, I think there's a flaw in thinking that abundant resources and pleasant climate might result in a very peaceful and enlightened race.

The problem is that anything that reproduces faster than it's competition, will swamp out it's competition. ANY population will thus inevitably maximise it's numbers, untill they are checked by shortfalls in resources. So an environment that starts out with abundant resources, will end up not supporting a peaceful population of critters, but a huge number of critters fighting for every scrap of resource - as many critters as the environment can support.

So the only way to have an environment that could promote such a "biologically" benign race would be an environment with infinite resources. Which of course is a practical impossibility, and were it possible, you'd have a continuous, unchecked population explosion, growing at an exponential rate. A LOT of benign critters. :crying:


But if you look at the human race, the most prosperous areas in the world, where the prosperity is not too unevenly spread, are also the most peaceful and "benign" areas. Perhaps that gives hope that any alien at a technological stage that they could cross the huge distances between stars, would have mastered the management of the resources they need, and would thus be more enlightened and benign than the Sci-fi movies lead us to expect.

Modifié par Swordfishtrombone, 02 mai 2010 - 07:13 .


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ReconTeam wrote...

All the aliens will need to do is look at our internet for proof they need to destroy us.

No because...
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Oh wait that basically confirmed it...

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that certainly was an interesting read.



what i dont get is that those guys from nasa dont even think about the possibility that we could be the most advanced lifeform out there. there just scared to anger the ''more intelegent'' who might not even be out there.

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Yes nobody ever thinks aliens are barbarians except the guy (i forget the name) who made Avatar...

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james cameron?

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Thats the one. How did i know you'd know that?

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I'd lol if we found Alien life...



but it would be awesome at the same time :D

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We all know what happens if we discover aliens right?
We start a forum about them and this pic gets photoshopped to say different things...
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If aliens are really dangerous we need to find them before they find us. Even more reason to continue looking for them.

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Give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day. Give a man paranoid thoughts about aliens, and he'll rant on and on about how they are all incarnations of Antichrist. The point is, don't wear diapers when they come (they will,) because you won't even react to the feeling of ****ting your pants untill you're dead, and by then, it's too late. Yeah, think about that, think about it, I said!



(Seriously, don't care of they exist.)

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I just want to go to war with some Alien Commies. Because we all know that they are.

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Death is a preferable alternative to Communism!

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After reading that, I can't help myself but to shake my head. We're far more likely to be wiped out by a meteor or something from space. And that's of course assuming we don't wipe ourselves out first.



But if aliens were to invade, I'd imagine it would be like this.

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"If" there is extraterestrial life out there chaces are they would find us anyway without beaming our primitive hippie radio transmittions into deepspace.



I would be more concerned about those "Alluahu Akbar" guys that want to nuke everyone who dos'nt belive in their god.

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A Beatles song? Huh, how about that.

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Captain Cornhole wrote...

"If" there is extraterestrial life out there chaces are they would find us anyway without beaming our primitive hippie radio transmittions into deepspace.

I would be more concerned about those "Alluahu Akbar" guys that want to nuke everyone who dos'nt belive in their god.


I'm more concerned with those Alien Communists. 

After all Liberty Prime has fallen and our weapons don't do **** against communist armor.  Damn, I'm gonna have to fight through many Deathclaws in order to get decent weapons and that alone is a pain in the ass...