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[Onyx Jaguar]

Unnecessary risk. The Collectors would remain where they were in the future as well, they are their to gather subjects not engage in war.

[askanec]

Looking at how easy the Collector "dreadnought" got finished by a frigate ship and how a dozen guys with small arms can take out their secret base, I doubt the Collectors are any good at fighting.

[Annihilator27]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

I mean if the Geth and Sovereign had been aided by that Collector Dreadnaught, im betting it would have bought more time for Sovereign to open the Citidel Relay.


Was Sovereign aware of the Collectors?

He probably was aware, It seems like the collectors are there to gather subject etc not for fighting.

[fongiel24]

Because Bioware hadn't thought of them yet...

For real though, what difference would one more ship have made? Sovereign by itself is practically invincible and backed up by all those geth, there was no reason to think they would need more reinforcements.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Also:



PLOT HOLE

[Sina84]

askanec wrote...

Looking at how easy the Collector "dreadnought" got finished by a frigate ship and how a dozen guys with small arms can take out their secret base, I doubt the Collectors are any good at fighting.

Eh? They make it quite clear that the Collector vessels are way more powerful than anything organics have to offer. It took out the Normandy - the most advanced ship in the alliance - with little effort. While it was cloaked.

It was only after putting most of Cerberus' resources into a new Normandy, including Reaper tech and an AI, that they could (barely) take one out.

I think Sovereign was obviously aware of the Collectors, but they needed a plan B, something to fall back on incase Sovereign died.

[Jack Package]

Collectors were agents for the Reapers, were just collecting intel, making experiments, kinda the Reapers' scientists.

The time had come, however and the
Reapers' plan was:
- Sovereign opens the Citadel relay and Reapers spawn in.

*didn't work, because the Protheans manipulated the Keepers*

Reaper backup plan 1:
- Sovereign opens the Citadel relay manually with help from Saren and their Heretic Geth tools.

*Shep killed Sovereign*

Reaper backup plan 2:
- The Collectors get a new task, namely to create a new Reaper that would then open the Citadel relay manually.

Modifié par Jack Package, 02 mai 2010 - 04:01 .

[fongiel24]

Sina84 wrote...

askanec wrote...

Looking at how easy the Collector "dreadnought" got finished by a frigate ship and how a dozen guys with small arms can take out their secret base, I doubt the Collectors are any good at fighting.

Eh? They make it quite clear that the Collector vessels are way more powerful than anything organics have to offer. It took out the Normandy - the most advanced ship in the alliance - with little effort. While it was cloaked.

It was only after putting most of Cerberus' resources into a new Normandy, including Reaper tech and an AI, that they could (barely) take one out.

I think Sovereign was obviously aware of the Collectors, but they needed a plan B, something to fall back on incase Sovereign died.

The Normandy is the most advanced ship in the Alliance fleet but not the most powerful. It's just a very fast frigate with a stealth system. As far as firepower and armour/shielding go, I doubt the Normandy is any more powerful than other frigates in the Alliance fleet.

[Ablaz3d]

They collect things. They really don't fight. Hell, if they didn't have the seeker swarms. They would had been stopped dead at a colony long ago.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's because they simply weren't concerned with it, so attacking the Citadel, to them, would have been unnecessarily risky. I agree, however, that they could have been part of a plan B, but I also doubt it.



In addition, at this point, I suppose it's safe to say that the Collectors aren't (weren't?) concerned with fighting others as much as they are with manipulating and/or experimenting on them. They're not fighters first and foremost, but seekers -- if that's the right word.

[AntiChri5]

Th Normandy is very soft compared to ships bigger than it. It is desinged for stealth. Remove that advantage (as the collectors somehow did) and it is just a well built frigate.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Not enough humans on the Citadel at the time to collect.

[Vaenier]

plot hole. stupidity. bad writing. non-continuity. writing me1 2 and 3 separately. bad writing.

[EatChildren]

Jack Package wrote...

Collectors were agents for the Reapers, were just collecting intel, making experiments, kinda the Reapers' scientists.

The time had come, however and the
Reapers' plan was:
- Sovereign opens the Citadel relay and Reapers spawn in.

*didn't work, because the Protheans manipulated the Keepers*

Reaper backup plan 1:
- Sovereign opens the Citadel relay manually with help from Saren and their Heretic Geth tools.

*Shep killed Sovereign*

Reaper backup plan 2:
- The Collectors get a new task, namely to create a new Reaper that would then open the Citadel relay manually.

This, basically.

The Collectors are not a military force. They're agents that the Reaper's used mostly for scientific and technological study. I assume the Collectors would serve as a means of studying the galaxy's organics while the Reapers remained in dark space. A way of collecting intel before the big assault.

Sovereign's reactivation of the Citadel was their go-to plan and that probably never failed up until this point, so the Reaper used/use whatever resources they have left in the Galaxy to do some damage. At that point, the Collectors were probably their best bet, and tasked them with building a Reaper inside the galaxy.

From a technical perspective they probably were not created at the point of Mass Effect's plot. Near all trilogy stories develop as the plot goes on and not everything is planned from Day 1 (eg: Tolkien didn't know himself who Aragon would be until later, initially just writing him as the dark stranger in the bar). But as is the Collectors fit just fine in the Mass Effect lore.

[BatarianBob]

Notice how the Collectors got their asses kicked by a frigate and thirteen badasses?

That's why they weren't at the Citadel.  They're no good in a stand up fight.

[Masticetobbacco]

there is infighting between the reapers



harbinger does not trust sovereign



proxy wars?

[Mister Mida]

I think this is a plothole. It also would've made a lot more sense if the Collectors worked with the Heretics while they were doing Saren/Sovereign's bidding. It would've made the assault on Eden Prime way more easier and more under the radar if they used the Collector's seeker swarms to disable the colonists and take the beacon away then.

Maybe Bioware will explain in Mass Effect 3 but I doubt it.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 02 mai 2010 - 06:02 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Shandepared wrote...

The Collectors would have been useful for taking care of Feros at the very least. Not to mention their swarms could have been used to assist the geth at the Citadel (or anywhere really).

No, that would have interfered with the Thorian.  Saren needed information from the Thorian not the colonists.  Having the Collectors go in would not have been the proper decision.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Mister Mida wrote...

I think this is a plothole. It also would've made a lot more sense if the Collectors worked with the Heretics while they were doing Saren/Sovereign's bidding. It would've made the assault on Eden Prime way more easier and more under the radar if they used the Collector's seeker swarms to disable the colonists and take the beacon away then.

EDEN Prime is in Citadel space.  Makes the Collector's a target.  They rarely (if ever?) leave the Terminus systems.

EDIT:  Plus Harbinger controls the Collectors.  From what we know of the Reapers they are fairly independent.  Sovereign was in charge of that campaign.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 02 mai 2010 - 06:05 .

[Il Divo]

Mister Mida wrote...

I think this is a plothole. It also would've made a lot more sense if the Collectors worked with the Heretics while they were doing Saren/Sovereign's bidding. It would've made the assault on Eden Prime way more easier and more under the radar if they used the Collector's seeker swarms to disable the colonists and take the beacon away then.

Maybe Bioware will explain in Mass Effect 3 but I doubt it.

I was under the impression that the Collectors were intended to remain in the background under the radar. This is part of the reason why so few have seen/heard of them. By interfering with the Alliance's Eden Prime military operation in Citadel Space, they would have drawn the attention of other parties.

[Mister Mida]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I think this is a plothole. It also would've made a lot more sense if the Collectors worked with the Heretics while they were doing Saren/Sovereign's bidding. It would've made the assault on Eden Prime way more easier and more under the radar if they used the Collector's seeker swarms to disable the colonists and take the beacon away then.

EDEN Prime is in Citadel space.  Makes the Collector's a target.  They rarely (if ever?) leave the Terminus systems.

Good point, but a lot of visitable planets in Mass Effect are (almost) completely barren so they could've helped the Heretics there. Anyway, it doesn't make sense for the Collectors to come into the picture as late as they came.

[Onyx Jaguar]

KarmaTheAlligator wrote...

Not enough humans on the Citadel at the time to collect.

They didn't target humans until after this event either.