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Yeah but Vido was a murdering thug. How many people would he kill if he escaped alive?




To be perfectly frank I find the whole premise of the decision ridiculous, simply because that gunship should have been pitifully easy for the Normandy to track, follow, and then Zaeed can kill Vido 30 minutes later.



Or like, split up so Shepard saves the workers and Zaeed gets his revenge.

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Lemonwizard wrote...


To be perfectly frank I find the whole premise of the decision ridiculous, simply because that gunship should have been pitifully easy for the Normandy to track, follow, and then Zaeed can kill Vido 30 minutes later.



Or like, split up so Shepard saves the workers and Zaeed gets his revenge.


Yes, it is silly.  That would have made more sense.

I don't think that refinery is really "liberated," though.  If you read the codex, Zorya is pretty much run by the Blue Suns.  I'm sure Vido took his gunship to another spot on Zorya, waited until the Normandy left, and then went back and retook the refiinery.  Or just took another one on Zorya.  Making sure to leave another pile of murdered workers as a warning.

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It's the same kind of choice Bring Down the Sky had.



Let a guy go because of stupidity. The Normandy's in orbit and a whole crew of bad asses in the wings able to track and kill the guy. There's no reason to let Balak or Vido go. It's not a real ultimatum there will be other chances and there are other people on the team to make sure he doesn't get away.

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I just can't listen to Zaeed's stories without laughing. It's too trippy hearing battle stories punctuated with swear words in the voice of Spongebob's driving instructor.

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kglaser wrote...

I just can't listen to Zaeed's stories without laughing. It's too trippy hearing battle stories punctuated with swear words in the voice of Spongebob's driving instructor.

:?

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I wish I could find the clip...he was on an episode of Spongebob, he played his substitute driving instructor and it was the PRECISE SAME VOICE as Zaeed (it was the same VO, Robin Sachs). Still cracks me up, I can't help it. :P

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Before Shepard had his suicide mission, Zaeed had already done his with a much smaller team on a Turian warship years back. And while Shepard definitely has his share of killing Krogans, has he ever defeated one as badly as Zaeed had?



Zaeed is the very definition of badass.

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Yeah I prefer a dialog wheel as well but Zaeed and Kasumi both say well more than Garrus and he has a wheel. Heck, the crew you walk pass on the Normandy seem to have more to say than Garrus.

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I fear that if they gave Zaeed a dialog wheel he too would fall prey to lame excuses for ignoring Shepard... Shepard is so lonely...

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Lemonwizard wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its crazy how at base if you click each of those items one time he still has more dialogue than say Garrus. But you can keep clicking on them and he continuously talks about them.

Actually playing through the Zoyra mission right now, the most morally gray mission of them and the one with the best setup outside of the suicide mission.







Morally gray? How is deciding between saving innocent people and going off on a revenge quest at all morally gray, much less the most? Zaeed's mission doesn't even compare to Legion's in this regard.


If you look at it from a first person perspective, IE only what the character Shepard sees and knows, you do not know what exactly will happen.  As a player you do know but Shepard does not which makes the situation impossible from a moral standpoint.

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Festi wrote...

I fear that if they gave Zaeed a dialog wheel he too would fall prey to lame excuses for ignoring Shepard... Shepard is so lonely...

I agree. The only case I would want a dialogue wheel for Zaeed is if the amount of content he has to say isn't cut. Sort of like Mordin when rather than telling you to go away he tells you a story.

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I'm glad Zaeed doesn't have a dialog wheel, makes the DLC characters more unique and, dare I say, more conversational than main characters (how!?) and thank goodness he doesn't do a Garrus.

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Honestly I admit he has lots of dialoge and an interesting morale mission but overall hes not really very good. Hint! Do not use him on insanity he is awful and goes somewhere instead of fighting everyone.




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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its crazy how at base if you click each of those items one time he still has more dialogue than say Garrus. But you can keep clicking on them and he continuously talks about them.

Actually playing through the Zoyra mission right now, the most morally gray mission of them and the one with the best setup outside of the suicide mission.







Morally gray? How is deciding between saving innocent people and going off on a revenge quest at all morally gray, much less the most? Zaeed's mission doesn't even compare to Legion's in this regard.


If you look at it from a first person perspective, IE only what the character Shepard sees and knows, you do not know what exactly will happen.  As a player you do know but Shepard does not which makes the situation impossible from a moral standpoint.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Kill Vido and you are saving many lives down the line, I used the same rationale for killing the Batarian terrorists in Bring down the sky.

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ReconTeam wrote...

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It was physically impossible for a human to survive what Shepard went through.
People have survived bullets to the head before. It is remarkable but not awe inspiring.


Are you trying to downplay Zaeed?
Shepard survived, but with a ton of help. But Zaeed survived through sheer rage! Yeah people sometimes survive gunshots to the head, but not a point-blank range execution shot to the back of the head. Even the devil wouldn't take Zaeed because he is just that badass.


Actually, they have. Though, we are talking super-powered space-age weaponry, and point blank means a faulty weapon. Anything else would have ripped through his brain and killed him, unless they missed it completely. Then that would mean he was never executed, just shot.

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Apollo Rising wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its crazy how at base if you click each of those items one time he still has more dialogue than say Garrus. But you can keep clicking on them and he continuously talks about them.

Actually playing through the Zoyra mission right now, the most morally gray mission of them and the one with the best setup outside of the suicide mission.







Morally gray? How is deciding between saving innocent people and going off on a revenge quest at all morally gray, much less the most? Zaeed's mission doesn't even compare to Legion's in this regard.


If you look at it from a first person perspective, IE only what the character Shepard sees and knows, you do not know what exactly will happen.  As a player you do know but Shepard does not which makes the situation impossible from a moral standpoint.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Kill Vido and you are saving many lives down the line, I used the same rationale for killing the Batarian terrorists in Bring down the sky.


You should never assume what may happen you can only know what is happening.

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Love Zaed, he doesnt talk but love his comments and he does great damage

Modifié par Kaynos1972, 03 mai 2010 - 01:20 .


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Kaynos1972 wrote...

Love Zaed, he doesnt talk but love his comments and he does great damage

Zaeed does talk.... Posted Image

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Apollo Rising wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Lemonwizard wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Its crazy how at base if you click each of those items one time he still has more dialogue than say Garrus. But you can keep clicking on them and he continuously talks about them.

Actually playing through the Zoyra mission right now, the most morally gray mission of them and the one with the best setup outside of the suicide mission.







Morally gray? How is deciding between saving innocent people and going off on a revenge quest at all morally gray, much less the most? Zaeed's mission doesn't even compare to Legion's in this regard.


If you look at it from a first person perspective, IE only what the character Shepard sees and knows, you do not know what exactly will happen.  As a player you do know but Shepard does not which makes the situation impossible from a moral standpoint.

Needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Kill Vido and you are saving many lives down the line, I used the same rationale for killing the Batarian terrorists in Bring down the sky.


You should never assume what may happen you can only know what is happening.

Well I think it's safe to assume that by letting Vido get away he will continue to be the murdering bastard that he always was. Killing him does the galaxy a favor...at the cost of 10 lives. Sometimes you have to make the hard choices.

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Except for the part where Vido will get replaced by a new leader of the Blue suns in short order who will probably be just as bad so killing him in the long run accomplishes precisely dick outside of the direct effect of making Zaeed happy.

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Lemonwizard wrote...

Except for the part where Vido will get replaced by a new leader of the Blue suns in short order who will probably be just as bad so killing him in the long run accomplishes precisely dick outside of the direct effect of making Zaeed happy.


Indeed. Criminal leaders such as Vido are replaced by the very moment one dies. Blue Suns are well and alive, it has other leaders ready to take Vidos place. In the end, all the mission accomplishes is getting Zaeed his revenge if you ignore the workers and kill Vido.

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janeym27 wrote...

DigitalFallout wrote...

His accent is cool. I find Shepard's pretty annoying.


Really? FemSehp, or ShepLoo? Jennifer Hale is amazing, IMO! Mark Meer can be a little flat.

Sorry. OT.

ReconTeam wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

It was
physically impossible for a human to survive what Shepard went through.
People
have survived bullets to the head before. It is remarkable but not awe
inspiring.


Are you trying to downplay Zaeed?
Shepard
survived, but with a ton of help. But Zaeed survived through sheer rage!
Yeah people sometimes survive gunshots to the head, but not a
point-blank range execution shot to the back of the head. Even the devil
wouldn't take Zaeed because he is just that badass.


I can never understand how, after hitting him in the head with a bullet atpoint blank range, they were unable to finish the job. Surely pulling the trigger a 2nd time isn't difficult? It just goes to show that if you're a villain in a ideogame/movie/tv show, you need to make damn sure your enemies are dead when you kill them!


isn't the double tap one of the logical rules for surviving a zombie apocolypse in zombieland. you never see a villian use one, that's why they always lose.

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Lemonwizard wrote...

Except for the part where Vido will get replaced by a new leader of the Blue suns in short order who will probably be just as bad so killing him in the long run accomplishes precisely dick outside of the direct effect of making Zaeed happy.


This.

Yet, I always choose to go for the kill, because the cutscene is full of awesome. I always found that if you choose to go after Vido, you actually hear the innocents yelling was a great detail and succeds in making you feel guilty.

Oh, and yes, both Zaeed and Kasumi have a lot of great dialogue, I never really understood why people were so concerned about the dialogue wheels.

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Criminals can always be replaced by others regardless of how you classify them. Crime will always be around. Going by your ideals we shouldn't bother arresting any criminals at all since they will just be replaced in time. Lets just encourage people to take up crime and allow crime to go rampant.



Killing Vido might not end the Blue Suns but it serves as a warning that criminal scum will not be tolerated and it will have a real effect at discouraging future potential criminals from joining out of fear. It could also lead to a Blue Suns civil war over who will be the next leader. And the more leaders you kill, the more the message becomes clear until they eventually disband and you will then have less organised crime for a good while.

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I personally though that situation gave you more of a reason to kill Vido than to kill Balak. Because on Zoyra you could go either way. But as for Balak, that is really just assuming too much about what will happen. Balak is just a terrorist, and a failure if you disrupt his operations.



Vido on the other hand is the leader of the Blue Suns, he is not really harmed in that incident it is just a minor setback.