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[EatChildren]

Burdokva wrote...

I'd still appreciate if a dev would enlighten me how exactly is it fair to pay for something I already paid for with pre-order, was marketed as "exclusive", and in the long run is inferior to the one released later. So?

Its not fair and there's no way to justify this as fair. Its a casebook example of product release for maximum profit.

They'll release most, if not all, of the bonus/pre-order DLC in packs like this. As someone earlier pointed out, being so stretched out will force everybody who wants the bonus stuff to buy all the packs, spending the maximum amount of money. It also allows them to pack in more content to make it seem a higher value to those with nothing, yet screw over those who already have part of it. In this case, the Inferno Armor was finished before ME2 hit stores, so they're got a pack of three items of which they only had to build two of since release.

As I said, they'll do it with the rest of the stuff too. Terminus Armor? It will be alone in a pack with one or two extra items as well. Incisor Rifle? Same thing. It will be interesting to see how they do the Collectors stuff, if its released. Stretch it over two packs, or release a three item pack with the Collectors rifle and armor included, with only one 'new' item, screwing people over further?

So yeah, ultimately this is not a fair situation or package and there's no viable way for it to be argued as such. Its a screwy way to deal with fans and pretty poor form on BioWare's behalf. I'm not even whining about it being items, the price, lack of story DLC, or anything like that. Its simply unfair to package in something many people already own and give no option to remove it.

Bad call BioWare. I expected better.

Modifié par EatChildren, 04 mai 2010 - 05:06 .

[Lil Timmy]

Agreed. However. I'm pretty frickin' glad to get a hold of that content, and if I have to pay through the nose for it, I will. A better way would be appreciated though.

[Gocad]

I don't care about value for points, but making you pay again (or more for the other items, depending on the viewpoint) for something you already own because you were entitled to by spending money at a certain retailer is a rip-off. And that stinks big time.



I guess Bioware/EA is currently trying out various methods to ****** off their community (aka consumers), I don't know why they do that, but they seem to make progress....

[TheTrooper1138]

Nightfish103 wrote...

I got the Inferno Armour for free and didn't use it more than once. It's just not useful. Also, he always keeps that helm on... Good luck trying to milk people, but I'm done with DLCs. I even got all the overpriced ones for Dragon Age because I was thinking "Hey, they'll use that money on a quality, fair priced expansion". Shows what I know. Fool me once...

exactly... I was foolish enough to get the "feastday" crap, because I was actually hoping for some real content, not this garbage that adds absolutely nothing to the game (in fact, it's actually immersion breaking!)... didn't get the alt. appearance garbage, won't get this...
They should start making some real DLC or none at all, small things like that should be either free or never made...

[Jayngo]

I previously posted about this new DLC release here:

http://social.biowar...05658/1#2506710



In a nutshell, I am most disappointed with this. I guess Bioware has forgot about CERBERUS NETWORK. That, or EA has tightened the noose...



It's sad really. Remember when you would FIND cool new outfits/armor in RPG's????

Now, you have to pay for them.............

[Wicked Shifty]

Bioware: Equalizer DLC?





_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "I'm Wicked Shifty, and this is my favorite DLC on the Cerberus Network?"



Wicked Shifty: or



_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Hey everybody, this DLC discriminates against the pre-orders!"







I'm gonna have to go with the renegade option...

[Timerider42]

If we already have the Inferno, can we get a different armor?

[TheSeventhJedi]

I bought the CE. Do I care if someone else gets what I got? No. I got my badass CE, and someone else having a piece of it doesn't affect me in the slightest. Let's be honest - NO ONE who is ****ing and moaning about how they can buy the game for 30$ now planned to wait this long to buy the game. If you didn't care enough about the game to buy it the day it came out, the iron man suit was hardly going to get you to forget the 30$ you had planned to save and go preorder. Be honest.



As for CN, well, that part WAS EA's idea, and of course it sucks. I'm surprised they got to release anything free on it at all. Is the free stuff most likely over? Yes. Do people want the items being offered enough to pay 2$ for? You may not, but I do. Is it going to bring BW's DLC plans crashing to a halt when they figure out they can make money by doing less? No. Check it out - if no big story DLC happens, I'll be the first to ****** and moan. However, look at ME, and just about every other BW game out there. THEY SUCK at dlc. Big fat hairy donkey balls. I'm sure they're on some kind of calendar that says "get dlc out every other week!" I'm sure the Liara and other story creators are working hard at their pieces, but when someone finishes their part early, why not make an armor piece? They obviously have a better structure in place for content than they did for ME1, and if they're going to make a 180 with stellar new content, they're probably going to make a huge deal out of it - like perhaps at a gaming convention where the press are in attendance. As has been said before - BW is a business. When a business sucks at something, and then turns around, they have to pat themselves on the back about it as loudly as possible to make more money.



My attitude is this. It looks like BW is turning around. I bought the alternate appearance pack. I'm hoping they have plenty more dlc in store - the cosmetic, the pieces, the missions, and expansions alike. I also think that they know that the story is where their greatness lies, and that without some good missions to offer for download, the 2$ won't make up for the sour taste in everyone's mouth, and you'll only be able to collect that 2$ for as long as people are playing the game. We were promised interrupts in ME1, and they didn't happen. In ME2, they got with the program and did what they said they would. We were promised individual squad commands in ME1, and they didn't happen. In ME2, they got with the program and did what they said they would. We were promised periodic story dlc in ME1, and that didn't happen. With a mission and a half (Normandy Crash Site doesn't really count,) released at launch, another a couple months later, and Liara (and others) obviously in the works, I'm hoping that with ME2, they've gotten with the program and did what they said they would.



Can't wait to go download a new visor.

[Michel1986]

Timerider42 wrote...

If we already have the Inferno, can we get a different armor?

Stupid questions you get stupid answers.

[Zinoviy]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

Zinoviy wrote...

Seriously. It's a two dollar item. TWO DOLLAR DLC ITEM. TWO DOLLARS.


It's like seeing a happy meal and getting pissed because the box doesn't have your double quarter pounder, you fatties.

Happy Meals don't come with double quarter pounders. Not in Australia anyway.

That is PRECISELY my point.

[Zinoviy]

cruc1al wrote...

People are STILL complaining about people complaining about two dollars, when people are actually not complaining about two dollars but about what is in the pack for two dollars? Really?

Sigh.

Value is relative. I didn't think people would actually be complaining about what's in it for two dollars. You know what the answer is?


Don't buy it.

[darknoon5]

Zinoviy wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

People are STILL complaining about people complaining about two dollars, when people are actually not complaining about two dollars but about what is in the pack for two dollars? Really?

Sigh.

Value is relative. I didn't think people would actually be complaining about what's in it for two dollars. You know what the answer is?


Don't buy it.

SHUTUP.
That is SUCH an awful excuse.
If we're not buying it, it's because they've made content in a way which we don't like, and they're also trying to rip people off. It's like saying because you disagree with a political party, just don't vote for them, criticism is out of the equation.

[MadLaughter]

We're criticizing because we want Bioware to see our words and not make the same mistakes in the future. If that happens, everyone benefits. Even the "if you don't like it, don't buy it" morons.



Bottom line: Bioware has screwed the people who already own the inferno armor. I'm not even in that group, but I still don't want other people getting ripped off.

[Zinoviy]

darknoon5 wrote...

Zinoviy wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

People are STILL complaining about people complaining about two dollars, when people are actually not complaining about two dollars but about what is in the pack for two dollars? Really?

Sigh.

Value is relative. I didn't think people would actually be complaining about what's in it for two dollars. You know what the answer is?


Don't buy it.

SHUTUP.
That is SUCH an awful excuse.
If we're not buying it, it's because they've made content in a way which we don't like, and they're also trying to rip people off. It's like saying because you disagree with a political party, just don't vote for them, criticism is out of the equation.

Political parties aren't products meant to be made and sold to the masses (funny how that is only borderline true in America - but that's for another thread). Bad analogy.

It's perfectly fine to say "I won't buy that armor, I already have it and only used it one time before I got [insert next available armor upgrade here]". Unfortunately, that's not really what you or anyone else is doing.

But the bottom line comes back down to the fact that you have no argument. Your political party analogy is flawed. You can talk about how overpriced it is all you want, but the only action (or inaction, in this case) you can take is to not buy it. I don't get how that's hard or why it's worth complaining about for 10 pages when all it is is $2.

If the problem is you want MORE content or BETTER content, that is a separate issue and you DON'T need to dog down this DLC in order to make that point. Some people like having all the armor or extra gadgets and they WILL buy it. Doesn't mean you have to or that somebody is making you.

[Jayngo]

Sheesh. Paying $2 is not the point ppl. Right now I have plenty of MS points to get this new DLC. IT"S ABOUT PRINCIPAL.



We shouldn't have to pay for new armor when A) That's what the CN was for and 2) You used to always be able to find cool new armor IN rpg's, not as some tacked-on-money-making scheme.



Ugh. As long as you fanboy's keep buying this crap the trend WILL NOT stop.



Trust me, I LOVE Mass Effect. It's my favorite gaming universe. However, enough is enough. Up until this point I had bought every piece of extra content for ME2. It stops now. Unless they release something of value (a nice, LONG, side-mission) I'm done paying....

[Zinoviy]

Jayngo wrote...

Sheesh. Paying $2 is not the point ppl. Right now I have plenty of MS points to get this new DLC. IT"S ABOUT PRINCIPAL.

We shouldn't have to pay for new armor when A) That's what the CN was for and 2) You used to always be able to find cool new armor IN rpg's, not as some tacked-on-money-making scheme.

Ugh. As long as you fanboy's keep buying this crap the trend WILL NOT stop.

Trust me, I LOVE Mass Effect. It's my favorite gaming universe. However, enough is enough. Up until this point I had bought every piece of extra content for ME2. It stops now. Unless they release something of value (a nice, LONG, side-mission) I'm done paying....

It seems to me it's you guys who don't get the point. If you already have the CN, why are you here complaining? Who cares, you already have the armor, right? All I hear about is how the armor is mediocre anyway, covers the face, etc. If it's so bad why do you care if they release it to others for a price? It makes no sense.

You guys are acting like my dog does - he'll play with one toy until another dog comes along and picks up a different toy, then suddenly my dog wants the other dog's toy simply because he has it.


If you want different DLC or more content, that's a suggestion for another thread, truly. By not buying this DLC (as you said you will do), and making constructive threads in relation to the issue, you'd be doing more work than by spamming up this thread which will end up getting you nowhere.

Modifié par Zinoviy, 04 mai 2010 - 06:08 .

[Jayngo]

Ugh. I apologize. Please forgive the complete idiocy I think I just incurred.



Please correct me if wrong....



Is it correct that if I HAVE the Cerberus Network the new DLC IS FREE?



Man, there sure seems to be some confusion on my part if that's the case....

[MadLaughter]

Zino,

The only way for people who own the inferno armor to get these new helms is to pay for something they already own. How do you justify that?

[EatChildren]

The point is people are a little upset having to pay for a three product package when they already own a third of it, with no option to exclude or replace this third with something they dont. The price isn't the issue, its the delivery and total package.

And I really dont see how the compaint isnt justified. Yes its cheap, but its still a bit silly to devalue the package to those who already own a third of it.

[cruc1al]

EatChildren wrote...

The point is people are a little upset having to pay for a three product package when they already own a third of it, with no option to exclude or replace this third with something they dont. The price isn't the issue, its the delivery and total package.

And I really dont see how the compaint isnt justified. Yes its cheap, but its still a bit silly to devalue the package to those who already own a third of it.

Lol for some reason I read that in my head with Carth/Kaidan's voice

[Jayngo]

Ok, just checked through the CN via ME2 and the new DLC IS NOT free, just as I thought.



So, my points I made stand as is.

[EatChildren]

Jayngo wrote...

Ok, just checked through the CN via ME2 and the new DLC IS NOT free, just as I thought.

So, my points I made stand as is.

We've known it would be 160 BW/MS points since it was announced.

[Jayngo]

EatChildren wrote...

Jayngo wrote...

Ok, just checked through the CN via ME2 and the new DLC IS NOT free, just as I thought.

So, my points I made stand as is.

We've known it would be 160 BW/MS points since it was announced.

I know. For some reason one of the posters confused me when he commented about if I have the CN why am I complaining....

My complaints stand justified still...

[Wicked Shifty]

Alot of this is failure to listen on this issue: there's the "don't like it don't buy it" self responsibility crew, the "this is unfair, I already have that, why charge me for it and new things" guys, and the "I will buy anything because I must have the complete thing" people. It seems that the are non-compatible for each other, unless you look deeper at issue. The self responsible crew will not buy it on the premise that it should not be offered for pay, or they already own parts of it, that's where the "this if unfair" guys have agreement, except they are bringing it to the attention of Bioware that the scheme appears greedy, instead of just "not buying it" and not saying anything as the self responsible crew will do. The other group of "must have everything" defeat the strategy of the previous groups as they will buy anything regardless, and often do not seek opinions of others about whether it's worth it or not. The most ellegant solution would be to use fancy Cerberus Network DLC filter to allow subscribers to get the parts for free and leave the pack outside of CN for the NON-CD downloaders, or if its is impossible to the give the parts away for free in the network, simply allow subsribers to build a pack of items for $2. That gets everyone what they want, $$ for Bioware, completeness of ME2, and the "won't buy items DLC" guys can "not buy" it.

[Haseeo]

Sorry Bioware not paying for DLC that should be on the Cerbreus Network for free.