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[AlanC9]

bjdbwea wrote...
So while indeed no one has to pay for reskins and models that anyone with the tools and skills could throw together within a day or two, the time and resources can not be spent on development of some proper content.

This makes no sense. If these small DLCs really can be thrown together by one person in a couple of days, then they simply can't be a significant resource drain for Bioware.

Edit: should have taken a position. I think the item packs really are easy to put together, and so are wildly profitable. But this means that the limiting factor on them is how many the market will absorb. Bio'd make one a week if they thought people would buy that many.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 mai 2010 - 07:25 .

[bjdbwea]

Let's put it this way then: If the current DLC model, where a few people can quickly throw something together, was not profitable (because people would demand better), they would have to put more resources into developing proper content, which they at the moment don't seem to be doing.

[Zinoviy]

bjdbwea wrote...

Let's put it this way then: If the current DLC model, where a few people can quickly throw something together, was not profitable (because people would demand better), they would have to put more resources into developing proper content, which they at the moment don't seem to be doing.

Shocking. Another pretentious forum-goer who knows what's going on inside the building(s) of BioWare and/or can't read forums.

http://scrawlfx.com/...-dlc-on-the-way

[bjdbwea]

It may be even more shocking for you to learn that I take everything they say with a grain of salt by now, and that I don't expect that "story" DLC to be much. Hope you're not too shocked, now.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 05 mai 2010 - 07:53 .

[Relix28]

They need to stop pissing off the community. First there was the EPIC countdown (lol), now there's this crappy dlc model. And this time they could have easily avoided pissing off anyone, by just announcing the proper dlc content that included all this cosmetic stuff for the charge of 150 points more than originaly planed. No one would have complained, if they were paying 1$ more for the armor they already own. Not if it were included in a quality dlc pack.

And also they need to get thier hype machine working right. Stop hyping up with these announcements and then completely disappointing the whole community when you actually announce the stuff.

[Tazzmission]

i find it hypocritical that people complain about the new armors for shepard but they would shel out money for the same thing if it was for crew mates.

[cruc1al]

Tazzmission wrote...

i find it hypocritical that people complain about the new armors for shepard but they would shel out money for the same thing if it was for crew mates.

Would they? I remember the Appearance Pack 1 getting a fair share of beating precisely because they were just outfits for squadmates. And I don't remember many people saying they'd actually pay money for new squadmate outfits. What they criticise is that the squadmates didn't have armor in the first place.

[Shockwave81]

slimgrin wrote...

MadLaughter wrote...

We finally get a Bioware post in here that does nothing but criticize the fans and fails to address the issue at hand. The only way for a certain group of people to acquire the two new Helms is to pay for something they already own.

That just isn't right.

And like most Dev's posts I have read, a touch condescending.

What they said.

What's even sadder is the fact that they're popping in to defend something as insignificant as a $2 armor pack, but rarely (other than Christina Norman and Chris Priestly) do we see the same level of involvement with the community that we did prior to the launch of ME2. It shouldn't take threads of this nature to make BioWarEA squeal that they're working on more substantial content. It's like they touch on it, but then pull back in fear because someone's got a leash around their necks.

I'm not going to moan about the armor pack, I simply won't buy it, even though others will (I'd be interested to find out who has). I wonder how many packs will need to be sold for BioWarEA to break even on the costs of development and implementation?

I'm not looking forward to new DLC nor ME3 at this point, and I visit the forums out of habit mostly. There's actually a fun bunch of people here. I'll get excited when there's something to get excited about. 

[Tazzmission]

cruc1al wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i find it hypocritical that people complain about the new armors for shepard but they would shel out money for the same thing if it was for crew mates.

Would they? I remember the Appearance Pack 1 getting a fair share of beating precisely because they were just outfits for squadmates. And I don't remember many people saying they'd actually pay money for new squadmate outfits. What they criticise is that the squadmates didn't have armor in the first place.

im just saying if bioware released a armor dlc ( not a clothes pack) for the crew the naysayers would buy it in a heart beat and how is that not hypocritical?

[cruc1al]

The clothes pack was an armor dlc. Thane now has body armor that he didn't have before, jack has a vest (well ok not exactly armor), and garrus got his armor fixed. That's 2/3 armor pack 1/3 clothes pack

[Tazzmission]

cruc1al wrote...

The clothes pack was an armor dlc. Thane now has body armor that he didn't have before, jack has a vest (well ok not exactly armor), and garrus got his armor fixed. That's 2/3 armor pack 1/3 clothes pack

when i say the word armor for squadmates i mean picture miranda in a legit n-7 type of armor but more upgraded. and as far as appearance packs go.... give us a sw  apperance pack i.e shepard with han solo clothese, miranda in slave leia bikini

[incinerator950]

I bought the Armor without really thinking, but something told me it was either the same Armor that I already had from the EA Customer Support Reps handing crap out, or they actually made modular Inferno Armor Pieces.



Turns out the former latter was correct, and I still don't use the Armor. Although, I have taken the liberty of putting the Capacitor helmet on my custom N7 Armor for looks, then promptly switched back to the Blood Dragon Armor.

[Blue_dodo]

Shotokanguy wrote...

DrunkenGoon wrote...

Seems like people **** no matter what happens.. If they don't announce some kind of DLC people complain.. If they announce something people complain.. Its a lose lose situation for BioWare..

If they announce something STUPID people complain.

I'm sure there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints if it was something like every other appearance pack, for free. Or a pack of N7 armor pieces, like the one in the Arc Projector screenshots, that they said we'd get news on soon after the screenshot was shown...

people complained about the free content saying it would be better if they had to buy it

people complained about the paid content because it is a rip of and should have been free


also what you think is  stupid is a purly subjective opinion if you don't want it don't buy it if you have it fo pc mod some things in


why don'y people realize this,bioware is a corporation they can do whatever the hell they want with there games, they could have done what was done with COD and make a couple of weapons over five dollers,so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine


/logical rant storm

[cruc1al]

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

[Tazzmission]

cruc1al wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

not everyone has it ( me in particular)

[Blue_dodo]

yeah so ?  there are people who don't have it and complained about not having it.


as micheal saide

it's like all the people who complained that the free DLC we released
with the game wasn't...free enough. since all of it was built from the
ground up as DLC (and not cut from the game as some conspiracy theorists
might think)

if we had just charged for it, there may have been
less complaining

he wasnt defending it just pointing something out, also just because he works with bioware doesn't mean he has to completly and utterly defend every single the

finally  why is everybody making a big deal about this, it's not going to hurt the game if you don't get it, it's not goingto cause you to go bankrupt, it is meraly a ****ing piece of digital download that is only $2 for a game

[cruc1al]

Tazzmission wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

not everyone has it ( me in particular)

That's why many think the inferno and the other two items should be sold separately, or the ones who have inferno should get the other two for free, or they should release a bigger pack that contains all the preorder armors and more so everyone gets something worthwhile for the price.

[Blue_dodo]

cruc1al wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

not everyone has it ( me in particular)

That's why many think the inferno and the other two items should be sold separately, or the ones who have inferno should get the other two for free, or they should release a bigger pack that contains all the preorder armors and more so everyone gets something worthwhile for the price.

right and people wouldn't complain then ? that the preorder was a rip off or that this bigger package is a rip since a number of people already have it.

they are not going to do  that to make alll content free for everyone would casue people to complain etc etc,  so they come with the option of slowly realising it as small payable content.

I'm not expecting for me to change your opinion nor do I care or want to but at least see it from another perspective.

[Tazzmission]

cruc1al wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

not everyone has it ( me in particular)

That's why many think the inferno and the other two items should be sold separately, or the ones who have inferno should get the other two for free, or they should release a bigger pack that contains all the preorder armors and more so everyone gets something worthwhile for the price.

the reason why bioware fed up is because of the whole codes fisaco i.e gamestop exlusive codes and the dr.pepper mess. i would suggest if bioware does read these threads that they shouldnt do the whole exlusive codes thing anymore if there gona re release it again for money.

[Xangcris]

"I have a different opinion" and then the Earth was destroyed. Amazing how the people demanding that people see it "from another perspective" are themselves ignoring the other side of the argument



Inferno Armour 80 points

Helmets 120 points

Combo pack of the 3 items 160 points



For the people who have a problem with the people who have raised the issue about having to buy a suit of armour they already have if they want to have access to other content, why should they have to buy something they already own? The price in this matter is irrelevant as the matter is having to buy something you already own.



Bioware should have catered for both parties, those who have the armour and those that don't, why is that so hard to see?

[cruc1al]

Blue_dodo wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

Blue_dodo wrote...

so if you don't want to pay $2.00  for it then fine

The problem is that a number of people would like to pay $2.00 for the new DLC, except that they already own the Inferno armor.

not everyone has it ( me in particular)

That's why many think the inferno and the other two items should be sold separately, or the ones who have inferno should get the other two for free, or they should release a bigger pack that contains all the preorder armors and more so everyone gets something worthwhile for the price.

right and people wouldn't complain then ? that the preorder was a rip off or that this bigger package is a rip since a number of people already have it.

they are not going to do  that to make alll content free for everyone would casue people to complain etc etc,  so they come with the option of slowly realising it as small payable content.

I'm not expecting for me to change your opinion nor do I care or want to but at least see it from another perspective.

Why do you think I have an opinion? I'm just stating what the problem is for many people and what they have suggested as solutions. It's not really a problem for me though, I wouldn't buy the pack anyway.

[ReplicantZero]

AlanC9 wrote...

ReplicantZero wrote...

Value for money aside, the problem with sporadic 'thin' DLC seems to me that it doesn't really provide enough reason to keep a game installed on your hard drive.

Is that a real concern (edit) for most gamers? I'm running on a miserable old 80 gig drive so I have to pay attention to these things, but most gamers have much bigger ones these days. Or are you talking consoles?

Depends how much other stuff you want to have on your hard drive I suppose. I have a 230G drive, a huge collection of PC games and other apps, and tend to buy new games on a regular basis - if I didn't uninstall the stuff I no longer play/use, at 10G+ per game I'd run out of space pretty fast. So it's really common sense to do an occasional cleanup, uninstalling games I just don't play any more.

Is the prospect of seeing some new armour enough to want to start a 3rd or 4th playthrough before uninstalling? Not for me (the storyline was great the 1st few times, but it does get old going through all the same dialogue and scripted missions over and over). Neither does the possibility of maybe playing a couple of one-off missions some time in the future really justify the 12G of dead space for me.

That's not to say that there's zero chance of reinstalling for any future DLC, but it would have to be quite a bit more substantial than what's been offered so far (for me at least). Something that actually had some replay value might do it though!

Modifié par ReplicantZero, 05 mai 2010 - 10:47 .

[CatatonicMan]

After reading through some of this thread, I would like to make a comment about the standard 'don't like it, don't buy it' response that every complaint thread seems to spawn.

The entire effort of complaining about the value of microtransactions is to try and make the larger population understand just how bad of a deal they are. The only way that we can get rid of them is to get as many people to stop buying them as possible.

Sadly, considering how little effort (and therefore money) it takes to create one of these small DLC packs, it is going to be virtually impossible to lower the volume of sales enough to make them unprofitable.

Modifié par CatatonicMan, 05 mai 2010 - 11:21 .

[Busomjack]

Do you have any idea how useful that orange head visor thingy was for beating Tali's recruitment mission on Insanity?

I was able to do mass overload every 5 seconds, it was great.

Easily worth the price.