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[X-JIDE]

I admit that the 2 new helmets look nice, but with the
Inferno Armor (which I’ve already got with steam pre-order) did turn me off
from this dlc. Not that I’m angry I’m just a bit confused as to why they
put the armor in the dlc...

If they were going to release per-order items again they should have put all
the per-order items in a separate dlc pack. Although it’s just $2, well less
since I’m in the UK so I don’t mind much.

edit: *fixed post*

Modifié par X-JIDE, 06 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[Krigwin]

CatatonicMan wrote...
After reading through some of this thread, I would like to make a comment about the standard 'don't like it, don't buy it' response that every complaint thread seems to spawn.

The entire effort of complaining about the value of microtransactions is to try and make the larger population understand just how bad of a deal they are. The only way that we can get rid of them is to get as many people to stop buying them as possible.

Sadly, considering how little effort (and therefore money) it takes to create one of these small DLC packs, it is going to be virtually impossible to lower the volume of sales enough to make them unprofitable.

I don't believe it! Someone else understands the entire point I've been trying to say all along.

This is a bad thing, this practice of defecating out micro-shovelware nonstop in a transparent attempt at making an easy profit. People who complain about it being a bad deal on the forums are trying to get this practice to stop. The only way to get the practice to stop is for more people to realize what a bad practice it is.

But, you know what, okay. I'm going to try to see it from the other side here for a moment.

Let's step back, for a moment, and just try to analyze the entire thing from another perspective. Let's just pretend, for a moment, that you're one of the people who think these complainers need to shut up and stop filling the forums with crap. What are the 'complainers' ultimate goal? The development of actual, high-quality, full-length expansive content. How is this bad for you? Let's think about this. How does this negatively affect your gaming experience?

The answer? It doesn't. It doesn't matter what your position is on the subject - whether you think micro-DLC is a scourge on the industry like me, or whether you think 'complainers' need to get a life and get off the forums. No matter who you are, in the end, the 'complainers' are trying to help you. How is this a bad thing? What good are you doing by making snide remarks and throwing around blind insults? What positive result do you think you're achieving by discouraging these 'complainers'?

The 'complainers' are trying to improve the industry. They're saying, "Hey Bioware, I don't like this new thing you're doing. It's not good for me. I liked it better when you were doing the old thing. Please go back to doing the old thing." Which is actually part of the reason this forum was created and exists, by the way. For easier communication between Bioware and their fans. Because that's what the 'complainers' are - they're loyal Bioware fans.

And yet, Bioware responds by doing more of the new thing, and then going so far as to make condescending, snide remarks to the 'complainers'. What does this tell you?

[ThePatriot101]

At the risk of repeating someone else's prior post or for stating the obvious IT'S ONLY $2!

This is ridiculous for something so minuscule. If you don't want to spend that much whatever. But seriously - and I don't give a hoot if you already own Inferno Armor - if you're going to complain about spending such a small amount then don't ask Bioware for DLC.

Sheesh.

Modifié par ThePatriot101, 06 mai 2010 - 12:41 .

[bjdbwea]

No one ever asked for DLC. The industry invented it for the quick bucks - along with the concept of taking away people's freedom over their own system to make them totally dependent on commercial content - and has become more insolent ever since.

[jlmilford]

I wasn't all that dissapointed as i didn't hae the Inferno either.... BUT , I started using the Capacitor helmet which by the way gets REPLACED with the N7 breather helmet in the Collector ship and any hostle inviroment...

Which I thought was a bit rediculous,  just my thought. If your going to sell it to us you should intergrate it.

[Zibon]

Items should never be DLC.  It's no different from paying for cheats.  Items should be obtained as rewards for in-game actions.

[cruc1al]

ThePatriot101 wrote...

At the risk of repeating someone else's prior post or for stating the obvious IT'S ONLY $2!

This is ridiculous for something so minuscule. If you don't want to spend that much whatever. But seriously - and I don't give a hoot if you already own Inferno Armor - if you're going to complain about spending such a small amount then don't ask Bioware for DLC.

Sheesh.

Dude, that's been repeated in this thread all over again. It's a stone age argument. Well, it's not even an argument, really.

[Keith Mattingly]

Look at it this way, it's just the beginning of May. We have the whole month for possible DLC. I checked out the pack anyway, because I got my copy of ME2 by pre-ordering at Gamestop. If an upcoming pack was to have the terminus gear, I won't check it out, so I wouldn't be surprised about the other pieces of armor like the Terminus and Collector armors.

[Krigwin]

bjdbwea wrote...

No one ever asked for DLC. The industry invented it for the quick bucks - along with the concept of taking away people's freedom over their own system to make them totally dependent on commercial content - and has become more insolent ever since.

....Are you me?

[mosor]

Busomjack wrote...

Do you have any idea how useful that orange head visor thingy was for beating Tali's recruitment mission on Insanity?
I was able to do mass overload every 5 seconds, it was great.
Easily worth the price.

For overload, that visor shaves off 0.3 of a second. Unless all you're doing is pressing the overload hotkey and your reflexes are fast enough to take advantage of that 0.3 second time shaving, then that item really didn't make a difference

[Zaxares]

I got the Equalizer pack. The Inferno armor was the last item I was missing from my collection (aside from the Incisor Rifle), so I happily snatched this up when I saw what was on offer. The new helmets also look pretty cool ("OMG bubble helmet!"), so all in all, it was an excellent deal for me.



Fundamentally, I still dislike the idea of microtransactions in games, but I've come to accept that this is the way of the future. It's proven extremely popular in Asia, and with the exception of 'story/mission' DLC, none of these appearance/item packs are NECESSARY to complete the game. They simply offer more customisation when going about it. You're not penalised in any way for not having the DLC, so if you don't like it, you're free to not spend your money on it.



That said, for this DLC? I DO sympathise with people who already have the Inferno armor and would essentially be 'wasting' a certain amount of points on picking up this DLC. Something brought up the idea of splitting off the Inferno armor and making it available for separate purchase, and I would heartily support such a move by Bioware.

[goldenbender]

With every DLC release that trickles out, I feel more and more that I should have just waited to buy the game. The content itself isn't bad, but considering none of the DLC really provides enough incentive to replay the game entirely, it really feels like my experience with the game was lesser for having bought the game at release. Had I waited, first of all it would have been cheaper, secondly the DLC wouldn't have been fiction breaking e.g. getting a email from the Illusive Man, who I betrayed, to recruit Kasumi for a mission that was already over.



And that's really the problem with the ME2 DLC. So far I'm left with the impression that it has hurt the integrity of the game. DLC isn't inherently bad, but it shouldn't be awkwardly inserted into what was supposed to be a finished product.

[ThePatriot101]

cruc1al wrote...

ThePatriot101 wrote...

At the risk of repeating someone else's prior post or for stating the obvious IT'S ONLY $2!

This is ridiculous for something so minuscule. If you don't want to spend that much whatever. But seriously - and I don't give a hoot if you already own Inferno Armor - if you're going to complain about spending such a small amount then don't ask Bioware for DLC.

Sheesh.

Dude, that's been repeated in this thread all over again. It's a stone age argument. Well, it's not even an argument, really.

It is an argument because Bioware hasn't been officially messing with us unleashing tons of DLC necessitating spending minute amounts to each one that would make buying DLC a hassle.  And do note people here are complaining about something that costs only 50 cents more than a bottle of soda in a vending machine.

I for one didn't get Inferno Armor (though I'm fully aware some people did) and since Bioware's DLC hasn't been coming out in droves like the situation I postulated I have no complaints.

You do know that putting stuff on Xbox Live isn't free, right?  It's more economical for them to tack on the Inferno Armor along with the other new things they're releasing because it's cheaper for Bioware and therefore cheaper for us.  And some people don't have Inferno Armor mind you.

So what some of you got the Inferno Armor already.  At least $1.34 of that $2 is going somewhere.

[mosor]

ThePatriot101 wrote...

So what some of you got the Inferno Armor already.  At least $1.34 of that $2 is going somewhere.

Or they could have packaged it with a mission and charged a few dollars more. People would have been happier.
It's not about the $2. No one is saying OMG I can't afford $2. I just feel like we're being nickled and dimed. it's one thing to be nickled and dimed for quality content that they put effort into, it's quite another for a couple helmets and a recycled piece of armor. I had a lot of respect for Bioware, and I buy every one of their in store products when the day it gets released. However acts like these make me lose a little respect for them. I still like their games and their company, but if this is something they continue to do, that will probably change.

[rplong]

jlmilford wrote...

I wasn't all that dissapointed as i didn't hae the Inferno either.... BUT , I started using the Capacitor helmet which by the way gets REPLACED with the N7 breather helmet in the Collector ship and any hostle inviroment...

Which I thought was a bit rediculous,  just my thought. If your going to sell it to us you should intergrate it.

Well, the capacitor helmet leaves Shephard's mouth exposed.  So, in that sense at least, replacing it in hostile environments makes sense.  The Recon Hood and Death Mask are intigrated into every hostile environment level/mission if you're looking for a replacement.

[Massadonious1]

If we don't rally against micro-DLC, the terrorists will win.

[Monstruo696]

rplong wrote...

Well, the capacitor helmet leaves Shephard's mouth exposed.  So, in that sense at least, replacing it in hostile environments makes sense.  The Recon Hood and Death Mask are intigrated into every hostile environment level/mission if you're looking for a replacement.

No, it doesn't make sense.  It's an insult to release something that only works half the time, just like the unremovable helmets.

Call me nitpicky all you want, but for a game that is supposed to be cinematic, it sure as hell feels like a B-Movie sometimes, except instead of using plastic weapons we get clipping issues and work-arounds.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 06 mai 2010 - 06:05 .

[HTTP 404]

rplong wrote...

jlmilford wrote...

I wasn't all that dissapointed as i didn't hae the Inferno either.... BUT , I started using the Capacitor helmet which by the way gets REPLACED with the N7 breather helmet in the Collector ship and any hostle inviroment...

Which I thought was a bit rediculous,  just my thought. If your going to sell it to us you should intergrate it.

Well, the capacitor helmet leaves Shephard's mouth exposed.  So, in that sense at least, replacing it in hostile environments makes sense.  The Recon Hood and Death Mask are intigrated into every hostile environment level/mission if you're looking for a replacement.

would it be too hard to ask for a breather mask to be put in that hole?

[HTTP 404]

Krigwin wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...
After reading through some of this thread, I would like to make a comment about the standard 'don't like it, don't buy it' response that every complaint thread seems to spawn.

The entire effort of complaining about the value of microtransactions is to try and make the larger population understand just how bad of a deal they are. The only way that we can get rid of them is to get as many people to stop buying them as possible.

Sadly, considering how little effort (and therefore money) it takes to create one of these small DLC packs, it is going to be virtually impossible to lower the volume of sales enough to make them unprofitable.

I don't believe it! Someone else understands the entire point I've been trying to say all along.

This is a bad thing, this practice of defecating out micro-shovelware nonstop in a transparent attempt at making an easy profit. People who complain about it being a bad deal on the forums are trying to get this practice to stop. The only way to get the practice to stop is for more people to realize what a bad practice it is.

But, you know what, okay. I'm going to try to see it from the other side here for a moment.

Let's step back, for a moment, and just try to analyze the entire thing from another perspective. Let's just pretend, for a moment, that you're one of the people who think these complainers need to shut up and stop filling the forums with crap. What are the 'complainers' ultimate goal? The development of actual, high-quality, full-length expansive content. How is this bad for you? Let's think about this. How does this negatively affect your gaming experience?

The answer? It doesn't. It doesn't matter what your position is on the subject - whether you think micro-DLC is a scourge on the industry like me, or whether you think 'complainers' need to get a life and get off the forums. No matter who you are, in the end, the 'complainers' are trying to help you. How is this a bad thing? What good are you doing by making snide remarks and throwing around blind insults? What positive result do you think you're achieving by discouraging these 'complainers'?

The 'complainers' are trying to improve the industry. They're saying, "Hey Bioware, I don't like this new thing you're doing. It's not good for me. I liked it better when you were doing the old thing. Please go back to doing the old thing." Which is actually part of the reason this forum was created and exists, by the way. For easier communication between Bioware and their fans. Because that's what the 'complainers' are - they're loyal Bioware fans.

And yet, Bioware responds by doing more of the new thing, and then going so far as to make condescending, snide remarks to the 'complainers'. What does this tell you?

IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT 

Modifié par EA_BiowareAccount, 06 mai 2010 - 06:10 .

[Monstruo696]

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...


IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT 

Change your name to "EA_BrokenRecord".

[Massadonious1]

And you said I was witty. It's clear I learned from the master.

[HTTP 404]

Monstruo696 wrote...

EA_BiowareAccount wrote...


IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT BUY IT 

Change your name to "EA_BrokenRecord".

Zing! 

[FlyingWalrus]

Taking from another post I made in another thread concerning this matter...

The money you paid for the pre-order was just that: for the pre-order. It actually went towards the price of your game, just in case you never glanced at that little slip of paper they give you with your change. It didn't pay for your "exclusive" DLC at all.

What you got was a timed exclusive, which basically means that you get to enjoy it ahead of release time for guaranteeing a purchase. And if you paid for a code off of eBay or whatever, well... you got tooled. What else can I say?

tl;dr, get over it.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 06 mai 2010 - 09:15 .

[Klimy]

Krigwin wrote...

CatatonicMan wrote...
After reading through some of this thread, I would like to make a comment about the standard 'don't like it, don't buy it' response that every complaint thread seems to spawn.

The entire effort of complaining about the value of microtransactions is to try and make the larger population understand just how bad of a deal they are. The only way that we can get rid of them is to get as many people to stop buying them as possible.

Sadly, considering how little effort (and therefore money) it takes to create one of these small DLC packs, it is going to be virtually impossible to lower the volume of sales enough to make them unprofitable.

I don't believe it! Someone else understands the entire point I've been trying to say all along.

This is a bad thing, this practice of defecating out micro-shovelware nonstop in a transparent attempt at making an easy profit. People who complain about it being a bad deal on the forums are trying to get this practice to stop. The only way to get the practice to stop is for more people to realize what a bad practice it is.

But, you know what, okay. I'm going to try to see it from the other side here for a moment.

Let's step back, for a moment, and just try to analyze the entire thing from another perspective. Let's just pretend, for a moment, that you're one of the people who think these complainers need to shut up and stop filling the forums with crap. What are the 'complainers' ultimate goal? The development of actual, high-quality, full-length expansive content. How is this bad for you? Let's think about this. How does this negatively affect your gaming experience?

The answer? It doesn't. It doesn't matter what your position is on the subject - whether you think micro-DLC is a scourge on the industry like me, or whether you think 'complainers' need to get a life and get off the forums. No matter who you are, in the end, the 'complainers' are trying to help you. How is this a bad thing? What good are you doing by making snide remarks and throwing around blind insults? What positive result do you think you're achieving by discouraging these 'complainers'?

The 'complainers' are trying to improve the industry. They're saying, "Hey Bioware, I don't like this new thing you're doing. It's not good for me. I liked it better when you were doing the old thing. Please go back to doing the old thing." Which is actually part of the reason this forum was created and exists, by the way. For easier communication between Bioware and their fans. Because that's what the 'complainers' are - they're loyal Bioware fans.

And yet, Bioware responds by doing more of the new thing, and then going so far as to make condescending, snide remarks to the 'complainers'. What does this tell you?

I find it in a way simmilar to terrorist thinking:
Your point(s) is that you can't over throw this thing because too many people buy it, and thus you can't make it unprofitable.
With other words we have the majority who buy it, and small group that don't.

Now how is this related to terrorism, you may ask? well, everyone loves the world how it is with its good abd bad sides. But loves none the less. Then we have a bunch of ****heads (not forum complainers but real terrorist) who would like to change something (in the best case) and ruin the fun for everyone else. A.k.a. small group trying to force changes agains the will of majority.

Do not try to seduce other to join your ranks. Your oppinion is valid, and I respect it, as long as you do not try to force others to share your oppinion in order for someone to make changes you would like to see.

I find micro-transaction as a good thing. Because I can filter out the crap I don't want to have in my game. I really don't give a cookie to such statements as "they sold us half baked product" or "the priced had to be lower because it was missing all this". No, most of the games these days are half baked, buggy and can be finished in 2-3h, but price is 70Euros anyway.

I find ME2 as inferior to ME1 and DA:O. There is a train full of things I wanted it to be different. But come on, please stop complaining, let the market deside what can and connot be sold. BW stated to Gamespot yesterday that they experimenting with things and see what worked well and what didn't. Do not force your will on others by screaming a lot. Just don't buy it and thus you will prove your point, if there will be more people who will not buy then such things will not be there anymore. But if you loose (which so far nothing changed with DLC so I guess you did) then have enough dignity to step down and not flood the forum and minds of others.

You wrote how a complain should be, but noone follows these simple rule, aka say what you didn't like and how can it be improved. But so far everyone just scream "I didn't like it, you suck, give me my money back" or something like this.

Modifié par Klimy, 06 mai 2010 - 11:41 .

[bjdbwea]

Klimy wrote...

With other words we have the majority who buy it, and small group that don't.

It's not the majority. Of all the people who bought the game, only a minority buys the DLC. Enough though to make it profitable, especially with the extremely low production costs.