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[WrexEffex]

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

[CatatonicMan]

WrexEffex wrote...

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

To be fair, I've been pretty consistent in complaining. It's what keeps my soulless shell from collapsing into the crushing emptiness of the void.

[Sigma Tauri]

WrexEffex wrote...

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

?

I thought that was Fallout?

[Gorn Kregore]

monkeycamoran wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

?

I thought that was Fallout?

lOL OWNED

[casedawgz]

Instead of purchasing the DLC, might I suggest that xbox owners instead purchase the brilliant indy game "I MA3D A GAM3 W1TH ZOMB1ES 1N 1T!!!1"? It's a dollar. And it's fantastic.

[gneissguy2003]

monkeycamoran wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

?

I thought that was Fallout?

I'm pretty sure that's the way it is for just about every game that's ever existed.

[twilightparallax]

gmartin40 wrote...



The fixed Archangel armor already came out. The helmet toggle is not something that can be made a patch (look up gaming fixes). The Liara DLC is coming out pretty soon. This DLC only costs 2 bucks. I said what I had to say.

These 2 buck DLCs start to pile up pretty quickly.Take into account that people are not complaining about cost, but value for money.



Chris Priestly's comments from before belie a sad fact: DLCs are a constant revenue stream. It is an unfortunate gaming business trend. It isn't done "for the fans" or because the developer "promised" this or that feature. Heck, I even know of some games that have had their contents stripped and then sold as DLC. The Cerberus Network "free" items weren't really free (you paid for them when you purchased ME2 at full retail price). The reviews for Kazumi were average at best (again citing poor value for money).



And that is what we are complaining about. Not about cost, not about content. Specially now since these "trinkets" cost real additional money and most people have already finished the game. I rather they spend their time grouping all these little items, armor, and weapons into resources they can use for a future expansion pack. Take your time, Bioware. We can wait, and if we like what we see, we will pay for it.

[kcp12]

Its pretty stupid to complain that "trinket" DLC exists. If you don't want it, don't buy it.



If you want something more substantial, then wait.

[MrNose]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So we gave you free Firewalker/Hammerhead, gave you more story with Kasumi and now have a completely optional DLC of armor, but we have turned into the bad guys all of a sudden?

I wrote this quickly, so there are probably some grammatical irregularities to it, but here goes:

Mr. Priestly,

I agree with your disappointment about fan rage, but I think that sort of expression of emotion is par for the course with the internet.  However, I believe there are some valid opinions being voiced, even if you don't agree with those opinions.  Here's my take on what's going on here:

I know that for many of us, who are PC gamers, we have a hard time with the idea of DLC arriving that does little to further the game and costs money.  You see, we PC gamers have a history with game extensions that are fantastic in many forms:

We look at Valve and see free downloadable content that encompasses entire gameplay campaigns, and then we see some paid-dlc armour from Bioware and we wonder "what's up with this?"  We see Fallout3's Broken Steel; some truly fantastic DLC that's worth the cost.  And as you said, we see the Firewalker missions from BioWare, and there we see proof that you guys can deliver some awesome content gratis, and we wonder being charged for armour...  particularly the one which you have already made and given out for free to pre-orders.

In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with releasing armour, but why release armour when you could go for something so much more advanced?  Something that the fans really want?  If you do release cool little things like this armour, why charge for it, why not give it to your fans over Cerberus? 
     It's this type of thing, the continuous releases of little rewards to your fans, that build up huge dedicated fanbases.  You already have one of these, but that's no reason to stop, continue to reward us for being fans and we'll continue to reward you, and your fanbase will continue to grow!  Do you remember in the VIP lounge of Afterlife, where Shepard tells the bartender that he should buy his customers a round of drinks so that they'll feel appreciated and buy more?  It's like that. 
     To an extent, the free-DLC that we get from Cerberus doesn't count as that free round of drinks, because we know that it isn't.  To most people yeah, it's a whole spoonful of awesome, but your fans on these forums are dedicated.  We know what project ten dollar is, we know that Cerberus Network is a part of it, and we know that it does cost money if we buy it used.  I still think that Cerberus Network a great idea, but it's not so much a free drink as it is free cover for anyone who comes in before 11:00 pm.  I'm sorry if I've taken this analogy too far.
    
Take these complaints as a compliment Mr. Priestly, because they aren't being made because fans hate the game, they're made because fans LOVE the game, and we want more.  We want more really good stuff that we know that you can make, and we're disappointed when we see you putting resources into something like this.   Stuff which we don't really feel that we've asked for, and which we don't think add all that much value.  I think some people even feel like you're trying to nickel and dime them.  I disagree with that stance, but I can see where they are coming from.

So that's just my two cents, take it as you will...  Once again, my compliments on the game!

P.S.
In case you're wondering what it is that "we've asked for"; the answer is: A helmet toggle.  Just sayin'.  (I know that's probably not possible...  but I can dream.)

Modifié par MrNose, 04 mai 2010 - 01:50 .

[Strikor2115]

All I want is Miranda's Alternate Apperance.

[Tennyochan]

i'd buy it >.>

[Big I]

Gorn Kregore wrote...

monkeycamoran wrote...

WrexEffex wrote...

Mass Effect has either the best or the worst fans of any game franchise. We complain, we rejoice, we can't make up our freakin' minds.

?

I thought that was Fallout?

lOL OWNED

This, especially the bit about Fallout.

People need to chill out. I for one have been hoping they'd release more armor. If you think 160 points is too much, don't buy it. I'm sure there'll be more DLC in the future.

[primelink]

Damn !! If i buy this does this mean i am stupid. It's almost as bad as The class restiction on DLC. Oh look i paid for this gun oh wait my class cannot youse that gun, chi ching. A simple few lines of code to exempt DLC from class restriction.. and nope.



Can't wait for more Horse Armor.

[Merci357]

Chris Priestly wrote...

So we gave you free Firewalker/Hammerhead, gave you more story with Kasumi and now have a completely optional DLC of armor, but we have turned into the bad guys all of a sudden?

Project 10$ isn't the same as free, you, Chris, of all people should know this. The Cerberus network is more then just a fan service, it's to encourage first-hand sales, or at least being able to reap some profit from second-hand buyers. And, honestly, there is nothing wrong with that.
You are also aware that the general reception of the Kasumi DLC was positive, since it added something meaningfull to a good game. That's also fine.

Such hype for a micro DLC, including a previously free (and limited) pre-order bonus armor, and two helmets, and you are surprised that it backfired in general reception?
Just a heads up - many still prefer the ME1 helmet toggle, and yet you offer us glasses and helmets in a steady stream, for a highly advanced visual/cinematic game.

No, you are not the bad guys. You make fine games many care about. But, seriously, regarding your DLC policy, you could do better. No one minds you those optional micro DLC to make some cash, honestly. But don't act surprised that Horse Armor won't make the crowd happy, ME is still a story driven single player game. Try, for instance, a little N7 mission pack some time down the road. Go ahead and announce the Liara DLC, a Romance DLC. Like Kasumi, you'd have a very different reception. But then again, those DLC won't be as effordless (as in cheap and with little manpower done) like Appearance packs or a few helmets.

[TJSolo]

primelink wrote...

Damn !! If i buy this does this mean i am stupid.

This made my day, thank you kind internet genie.

[StowyMcStowstow]

So what was the point of the Cerberus Network if they're just going to stop putting out free stuff?

[Cyberfrog81]

Doug4130 wrote...

Bioware, don't listen to the naysayers!

Please do.

There are those of us who enjoy your products and respect you for the time that you guys put in to push them out and for the continued support you guys always provide for your games.

We're in no way obligated to pay up for crappy DLC. "Just say no". Be a naysayer!

Kasumi I was actually going to get by the way, it doesn't seem so bad (even if probably a bit overpriced), but the transaction just gets rejected. There's EA Store for a poor BioWare Points deal, but...it's not very tempting. Either way, purchasing those piece of junk micro-DLC would be a depressing way to end my ME2 experience.

[Freakaz0idx]

I happen to have a spare 240 ms pts so I'm not complaining. But in the next update and I'll rage about getting nickel and dimed.

[Captain_Obvious_au]

Bbbboooorrrriiiinnnngggg

Bioware is trying really hard to ****** off fans. Hell I thought they'd reached the pinnacle with the 'Bioware Bazaar', but then they go and release a paid 'exciting' DLC pack including an armour I already have.

Well done Bioware, you keep digging that hole!


To give some advice to Bioware - you want to impress fans? Give us something we actually want to buy? ADD A BLOODY HELMET TOGGLE! Or Liara/Shadow Broker DLC, or something that is actually going to add to the story of ME2. Getting people to pay for armour that you already gave to some for free is moronic - how can you expect fans not to be annoyed? Seriously?

Modifié par Captain_Obvious_au, 04 mai 2010 - 02:53 .

[StowyMcStowstow]

CatatonicMan wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

The helmet toggle is not something that can be made a patch (look up gaming fixes). 

The helmet toggle is most certainly something that could be made into a patch (easily, in fact, as far as I can tell) - if Bioware actually decided to do it, at least. But I somehow doubt they would be willing to put in the effort unless they can charge $2 for it.

I doubt Bioware would make such a fix, as that would require them changing their glorious game. Same thing with the small text on Standard Def. TVs. There was a discussion about that on The Escapist's forums. Easy fixes (unless Bioware really screwed up the coding of the game), but something they are totally unwilling to do. They even said they will not fix the text. Ever.

but if they add in the helmet toggle, you can bet it'll be for more than $2.


Also, for and Bioware poeple who see this - we want more STORY. S-T-O-R-Y. We wants it.

Modifié par StowyMcStowstow, 04 mai 2010 - 03:00 .

[PARAGON87]

Well, this sucks.



Oh well, at least I have the Reach beta and Alan Wake to satisfy me until more ME2 mission levels are to come out...

[The RPGenius]

I'm sure I'm echoing many people here, but the fact that I would have to pay for DLC is really not that upsetting to me, particularly when I've gotten a few good things (Zaeed and the Firewalker missions) free. I was fully willing to pay for Kasumi's DLC package, and I'm very pleased with it--she's a decent character, it adds dialogue to the game's events in general, and her mission is both neat and worthwhile.



What seems INSANITY to me is that someone actually thinks that a couple tiny trinkets that won't significantly affect my game play is so worth paying money for that they would announce THAT as the next major add-on. You want us to pay, give us something we will BUY. New missions, new plot arcs (even if they're tiny), new ways to develop the game's story and/or characters. I'll pay, but I want to be GETTING something for my money.



I can't believe that THIS is the great DLC package that was promised last week. I was getting excited over the prospect, free or bought, of new missions, new ideas, new experiences to have in the great and exciting ME universe. I got a ****ing hat with laser glasses.



At least the Fallout 2 Restoration Project's culminating this month. May 2010 won't be a total loss.